I’m watching this now and MAN, does it look fantastic! If we could just get the other two released with this level of quality, I could die a happy man.
I think this new transfer looks much better than the MGM release - I A/B'd them and it's not hard to see the difference. Also, just for a differing point of view about the missing seconds, here's Kino's Frank Tarzi's response: A 4K 16-bit scan of the "35mm Techniscope ORIGINAL negative" and full audio/film restoration were done in Italy by L’immagine Ritrovata in partnership with Kino Lorber and MGM. The deleted scene you're talking about has never been part of the final camera negative and it only appeared a few times on home video, the 1980s VHS and laserdisc releases and this shitty looking German Blu-ray, which were all most likely mastered from prints. The KL transfer looks amazing, the film has never looked better, there are more extras on this release than ever before, including 5 brand new ones. Could we have gone and looked for this additional scene? Yes, but it would've been included as a deleted scene extra and not reedited back into the restored transfer. This and other altered scenes are all mentioned on the Sir Christopher Frayling featurette.
Mr. Tarzi's comments make absolute sense. I had questioned whether the added footage might have been inserted. Apparently, it was. And was not a part of the general release.
"You'll have to understand where I'm coming from, in the past home video companies have been wrong about Leone's films. MGM claimed the full GBU beating scene was never part of the release prints yet I have personally seen 2 different 1966 BBC original release prints and a 1970's print that included the full uncut scene."
The Leone films are so convoluted that no one can be sure of anything. First off, MGM is very specifically in the case of Good, Bad, Ugly that the full beating scene was never part of the US release prints. So, it doesn't matter if you saw two 1966 BBC original release prints (if I'm understanding BBC to mean England - if it has another meaning, happy to hear it), and a 1970s print is not an original release print and what country was that print made in? There's a lot of conjecture about all this stuff and it's all because there have been so many releases from so many countries. I, too, take Mr. Tarzi at his word because I just don't believe he'd like to make a point -maybe that's me being naive, but I think we've all seen too much conjecture leading to the reveal that the conjecture was wrong, at which point most people just disappear. I appreciate that you do not.
I think the new transfer looks pretty solid and more natural than the old disc. The old MGM disc was certainly the best of the trilogy, but they cranked up the sharpening giving the grain and details a harsh video look to me.
I simply don't Get it ,The MGM Blue Ray Box Version looks great ,and looks almost the same to me,(I watched about 30min so far)what am I missing
I have to say its nice having the Tim Lucas commentary ,But can't wonder why I am Buying these promoted 4k transfers on Blue Ray?
This looks amazing. I know Fistfull is flawed, and still wondering why Kino released Duck You Sucker under the American title, Fistfull Of Dynamite. What I am most impressed with is including the origjnal UA logos. Can this be done with all UA films? How I would love Raging Bull reissued with the white Transamerica logo, or Fiddler On The Roof with the special music that was used during the Transamerica T blossoming. Getting back to this, my question is why does this look so good and Fistfull look subpar. Don’t want to say awful because Fistfull Of Dollars has always looked the worst out of all of them.
I think the new transfer looks pretty solid and more natural than the old disc. The old MGM disc was certainly the best of the trilogy, but they cranked up the sharpening giving the grain and details a harsh video look to me.
Both titles are included on the KINO Blu-ray coverThis looks amazing. I know Fistfull is flawed, and still wondering why Kino released Duck You Sucker under the American title, Fistfull Of Dynamite. What I am most impressed with is including the origjnal UA logos. Can this be done with all UA films? How I would love Raging Bull reissued with the white Transamerica logo, or Fiddler On The Roof with the special music that was used during the Transamerica T blossoming. Getting back to this, my question is why does this look so good and Fistfull look subpar. Don’t want to say awful because Fistfull Of Dollars has always looked the worst out of all of them.
Do the original Technicolor Rome timing cards/sheets survive?
Did MGM control the UA library in 1997?
1/ Probably not, but then what use would they be to anyone?