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A Few Words About A few words about...™ Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid -- in Blu-Ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, May 10, 2008.

  1. willyTass

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    It’s on iTunes on 4k
     
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    Where is the 4K UHD Disc for the 50th Anniversary ???? It's Not one of my Favorite westerns, but still No upgrade ? The Wild Bunch is a Favorite and No 4K UHD 50th Anniversary release either ! ?? : (
     
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    We need to Make Houses Affordable Again so people have this thing called money so they can buy stuff again

    no incentive for studios to press disks that sell in the low thousands when they have greedy shareholders to answer too
     
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    Even new, successful movies like Little Women aren't getting released on 4K disc. I think very few older films will ever see releases.
     
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    People are still spending more or less the same money, they’re just allocating those funds differently. Ten years ago, American consumers spent $20 billion on physical media purchases. Last year, they spent $15 billion in streaming subscriptions, $3 billion in digital purchases and $3 billion in physical media purchases - so that actually adds up to more spending now than ten years ago for home entertainment. It’s simply that consumer preference has shifted the market, and the average consumers that drive all industries are finding a digital subscription a better value than a one-time purchase of a single title linked to the possession of a physical object. You could give everyone in the country a free house and a raise and it still won’t change the fact that the average consumer’s preferences have changed.
     
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    That said, please give me a house and a raise.
     
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    We've also become spoiled by the quality of digital images in the past decade or so. If you went to see a 35mm print of Butch Cassidy on opening night in 1969, you weren't seeing anything close to 4K.
     
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    The last year was very disappointing for catalog titles on 4K disc. The studios ignored some pretty big anniversaries for movies like Gone with the Wind, Ben-Hur, North by Northwest, Sleeping Beauty, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Mad Max, The Abyss, Pulp Fiction, The Shawshank Redemption, Speed, Fight Club, and many more which would've seemed like no-brainers for 4K releases.
     
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    That should be an indication for how poorly those titles sell on physical media in today’s environment. Studios made some good money in the DVD era, but they really lost a lot more than is commonly understood in the Blu-ray era. They spent fortunes upgrading their libraries and releasing discs and in more cases than not, the numbers weren’t there relative to the expenditures they made.

    Titles like Ben-Hur, Gone With The Wind, Butch Cassidy, Pulp Fiction are routinely being sold off in bargain sales for $5. When they go that low as a matter of routine, it means that they’re not making money on it, not even breaking even in many cases, and are just trying to get pennies on the dollar back by liquidating the stock because the cost of maintaining the inventory in warehouses is more than that stock is worth today. It’s a very harsh, very sobering reality.

    Everyone working in this part of the industry is being very cautious about what they put out and trying to find ways to make the math work. A misfire in a particular category could mean the end of all similar titles in the same category; the margins are often that tight now.
     
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    What about manufacture on demand ?

    Warner archive are doing it

    Sony is doing it

    small batch pressing and pressed on real BD discs not bd-R

    theydon’t get discounted hardly ever and sold largely through amazon

    Don’t have to waste money sending discs to retail outlets
     
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    Perhaps the upcoming 4k edition of The Deer Hunter from Shout will be instructive. If that one can sell enough copies to make it worthwhile, then perhaps that's the way to go in the future. I always encourage everyone to buy the discs from Shout, Kino, Twilight, etc. that interest you. It may just mean the survival of the format.
     
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    I can’t understand how turntables and vinyl records are being sold everywhere but movies are struggling

    vinyl is a monumental pain in the arse . Cartridges are expensive and have to be changed every 2000 hours . Records themselves are plagued with issues : I used to return at least 30% of em for various manufacturing defects such as warps, off centre pressings, non fill , dished records (except Japanese pressings which are physically perfect but don’t always have original master tapes as sources)

    sure analog mastered vinyl is trumps for sound quality but it’s an expensive hobby and it seems to be thriving
     
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    Vinyl isn't all that big. It's on track to sell about $500 million this year, compared to about $7 billion for music streaming. For movies and television, physical media sales are around $3 billion, versus $13 billion for streaming services.
     
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