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UHD Review A few words about...™ Avengers Endgame -- in 4k UHD Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. Robert Harris

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    Avengers Endgame is one of those Marvel Universe films, that seemed to do rather well theatrically.

    A bit complex, especially if one doesn't know the Marvel players and everything they've ever done, but entertaining nonetheless.

    As a 4k Blu-ray, it's a quality affair, even as up-rezzed from the 2k files. It's just fine.

    What isn't, fortunately only affects those who have:

    A. Not yet upgraded to 4k;

    B. Don't have Dolby Atmos.

    And that's the standard issue Blu-ray, which has been purposely crippled by removing the Dolby Atmos track.

    And for that reason, while I can recommend the 4k, I cannot recommend the Blu-ray, as it disallows the ability to future proof.

    One can choose to look at this from another perspective, which is that most theaters don't have Atmos, so it really doesn't matter.

    But one isn't suggesting the addition of an IMAX track here, and it's all doable.

    The problem seems to be purposefully giving those who don't buy 4k short shrift.


    Image – 5 (HDR 10 / Dolby Vision)

    Audio – 5 (Dolby Atmos)

    Pass / Fail – Pass

    Recommended

    RAH
     
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  2. Colin Jacobson

    Colin Jacobson Lead Actor

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    Title says "Rambo" and review says "Endgame"! :eek:
     
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    B-ROLL Cinematographer

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    Is there that much of a difference ;)?
     
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    Colin Jacobson Lead Actor

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    Ooh - fighting words!
     
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    [​IMG];)
     
  6. Wayne Klein

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    Could this have something to do with the amount of disc space that Atmos would consume on the BD?
     
  7. Josh Steinberg

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    It’s doubtful, as some studios include Atmos on the BD, and some used to that no longer do.

    The charitable reading of the situation is that Atmos can be slightly more difficult to author on the disc, and with the amount of people using Atmos at home being so small, that it was a lot of effort for something that people weren’t using.

    A less charitable reading would be that this is part of a push by certain studios to force the enthusiast crowd to purchase the more expensive product.
     
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    I'm more incline to believe that's the reasoning for the lack of Atmos by some studios.
     
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    I watched this over the weekend at a friends house. The disc is far from reference and looked quite muddy to me, probably due to the heavy CGI. John Wick 3, which is the other 4k I have seen recently, is much higher quality. 4k discs seem to have the same spectrum of quality as 1080p.
     
  10. Josh Steinberg

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    The Russos tend to favor that muddier look in their Marvel films. I always joke that it’s always a foggy day in the MCU when they’re at the helm.
     
  11. Robert Crawford

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    Correct, I think it's true to the source material.
     
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    The first half hour of Captain Marvel looked like it was shot through fog. Personally I don't feel engaged by a film when the image quality is so poor.
     
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    I feel engaged by the quality of the movie itself.
     
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    again ,the extras are lame ,
     
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    I gave up on superhero movies several years ago (especially the MCU).

    But...I've heard lots of good things about Endgame. Can it stand alone?

    Or should I watch Infinity Wars first?

    Or do I need to watch all 19,000 other Marvel films in order to understand what's going on?

    :D
     
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    You need to watch Infinity Wars first. Endgame is basically part 2 of that film.
     
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    It works on several different levels.

    At its most basic, easily digestible level, Infinity War and Endgame is a two part story (or a single story told in two parts). One doesn’t really work without the other.

    But Endgame also works on an additional level, serving as a “series finale” of sorts to all of the MCU movies that have come before.

    You can probably enjoy Infinity War and Endgame as a two movie experience. While every nuance might not be apparent, you should have no trouble following the story being told onscreen. But it would mean more to you emotionally if you had the investment in all the other films.

    It’s sort of like when popular shows would do “very special episodes” that would attract audiences that didn’t watch the series regularly. Everyone can enjoy it but regular viewers will get more from it.
     
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    Has anyone purchased the 4K Infinity Saga box set? I'd like to know if any of the discs present the films in the IMAX aspect ratios. Literally every review I've seen online since the set came out last Friday has been of the packaging without a single buyer actually playing any of the discs.
     
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    I'd be VERY surprised if the main features in the set are any different than the individual releases. Very surprised.
     
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    There's zero chance that any of the discs in this set are any different than the 4k Ultra HD copies released separately, and those are all Constant Image Height 2.39:1.

    The first Iron Man had an IMAX re-release in 2018 that featured variable aspect ratios. Even that one was constant 2.39:1 on the 4k UHD version released earlier this year.

    For whatever reason, someone at Disney made a policy decision that the variable aspect ratio versions of its movies will be reserved exclusively for the 3D editions on home video, which are in turn being released exclusively on Blu-ray overseas (not in the United States).
     
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