RBlenheim

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I saw that in my box set too and are only two extras on it and i think one of them was something to do with Columbia's 50th anniversary.
I think it's more reasonable to include it in the "Gandhi" box because the main feature is a 50+ minute Gandhi documentary. That's where I keep my DVD.
 

Robert Harris

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I have had a long history of studying and teaching film, and worked in my youth in a film studio in Philadelphia (where David Lynch used to come occasionally before he was famous), even making amateur films. I have been a projectionist during the carbon arc days as well when xenon lamps and automation came in. I've written annual Oscar guides, and been a collector of 16mm film prints. I am no dummy.

At 73, and retired, I have seen Aurens in all formats, many cities in many aspects since it came out. I saw it in revival theaters (last time, in Massachusetts a few years ago). I have bought it in every format since it was released from video tape (once when the image was reversed for an entire reel), and bought it every time a new version came out in DVD or Blu-ray. And I've given introductory lectures to films at local art cinemas (although not on Lawrence).

Okay, I hope that prevents me from being attacked personally.

Go to Chapter Five of the Lawrence disc 1 in 4k. Look at the first few shots of Lawrence on the desert. See how there is almost no color, and it is washed out with the sky not even being blue. I have never seen this in all my viewings of Lawrence, anywhere. Now put in the Blu-ray. It's not as clear, but you see a blue sky and there is color. This exists in several subsequent shots, and the blood on the head of the Arab is red in the blu-ray and blackish in the 4K. Something is wrong here.

Don't tell me it's me or my set(s). Shots that follow look fine This is an error caused somehow in the transfer or in faulty color saturation. My question isn't am I right or wrong: My question is, what happened?
Sorry, but there’s no problem.

Are you seeing color in the camels’ blankets?

If you’re viewing on an OLED, or even LCD, with Dolby Vision, you’re having a set-up error. DV is not an easy creature.

Has your panel been calibrated for DV?

It’s an interesting sequence, as the desert is extremely hot/bright. Peter is covered in dust. Sky is a darkish robin’s egg blue.

How bright is your viewing environment? Might your panel be adjusting itself in some way.

Everything is proper and in order.

By the way, there are no chapters pre se on a video master, which comes from the .dpx files. It’s continuous, so nothing would arbitrarily change at a chapter mark.

It’s unlike projection, during which - print dependent - there can be color shifts at reel changes, every 9 minutes or so.
 
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Nobody is going to personally attacked you as it's against our posting guidelines. However, I haven't seen one person that agrees with your assessment of Chapter 5. I just played the 4K disc on my LG E6 and C9 OLEDs and on both displays the color is blue and the blood is red in Chapter 5.

Is anybody else seeing what Robert has stated in Chapter 5?
I have a Sony 4K tv and if i turn off the HDR mode on the tv the color is not that vibrant but when i turn the setting on the color and picture are great and the color looks like my 2012 Blu-ray. I have seen Lawrence on tv, in a theater, laserdisc, dvd, blu-ray and to me the 4K disc looks the best.
 
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I have two Sony XBR-55X930D 4K 3D televisions. My friend in New Jersey has an LG 65". He sees this problem as well, and he's an expert on color and various formats of film lab work. I'm not -- but I'm a knowledgeable film aficionado, more towards film directors and film history.

Does anyone know what's up? (And remember the Blu-rays look fine.) Maybe I can take a pic from my iphone and post it here? I know that wouldn't do it justice, but this is not imagination on my part.

I think it would help if you can post a picture from your Blu-ray and from your UHD disc as clearly something seems to be amiss.
Did you check if you are getting Dolby Vision?
 

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I think it would help if you can post a picture from your Blu-ray and from your UHD disc as clearly something seems to be amiss.
Did you check if you are getting Dolby Vision?
Oliver,

Have you watch this 4K disc? If so, then you're obviously not seeing the problem either.
 

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One thing i learned along time ago is when i get something new like a Blu-ray player or tv i always look at the owners manual and go thru all my settings.
 

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One thing i learned along time ago is when i get something new like a Blu-ray player or tv i always look at the owners manual and go thru all my settings.
Even people like me who read the manuals front to back screw up! The first time I watched my new 4K BD of Lawrence of Arabia, the picture looked great..... But the sound was horrible! Turned out that somehow I had pushed a button on the receivers remote control (probably sat on it) and instead of outputting "direct" it was in some weird sounding "neural" mode. Yuck! Gotta be more careful in the future.
 
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OliverK

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Oliver,

Have you watch this 4K disc? If so, then you're obviously not seeing the problem either.
No I am afraid I have not, I will only watch Lawrence later this year on a new screen. I only watch it about once every two years as I find that at some point it is getting a bit too much to watch it again and again. I would be willing though to check out that scene as I have an idea what might be amiss.
 

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No I am afraid I have not, I will only watch Lawrence later this year on a new screen. I only watch it about once every two years as I find that at some point it is getting a bit too much to watch it again and again. I would be willing though to check out that scene as I have an idea what might be amiss.
Please do.
 

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By the way, I'm not a "stunt coordinator". Does anyone know how I can change this description under my name? I have no idea how this got here!
For most of us, I believe it's just a fun way of indicating how active one has been in the threads. It's not meant to be taken literally, otherwise it would seem like everyone here is in The Business. Some of the folks here do have "literal" descriptors, though.

Right now, I'm being described as "Second Unit", and I've never, never worked on a film.
 

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By the way, I'm not a "stunt coordinator". Does anyone know how I can change this description under my name? I have no idea how this got here!
Robert:

I believe those "titles" are put there by the forum software based upon a member's amount of time on the forum and post count, etc.

I believe you can edit it in your profile on the "Account Details" page, just underneath where you see your avatar.
 

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Robert:

I believe those "titles" are put there by the forum software based upon a member's amount of time on the forum and post count, etc.

I believe you can edit it in your profile on the "Account Details" page, just underneath where you see your avatar.
That's good to know. Perhaps I'll change mine to "Specialist".

My definition of a "Specialist":
A person who learns more and more about less and less until they know everything about nothing. :rolleyes:
 

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