3001: The Final Odyssey???

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  1. Bill J

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    I couldn't find anything on 3001 using that first link and the last update on the second link is almost a year old. I think we would have heard something by now. Oh well, I didn't care much for the book anyway - Clarke shouldn't have bothered revisiting the series, IMO. I'm much more excited about the upcoming Rendezvous With Rama...
     
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    I seriously hope that if we ignore all this it might go away. They may as well remake Citizen Kane--or, worse, do a sequel (Son of Rosebud?).
     
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    I happen to read 3001 (it was one of the few sci-fi books sitting in our lunch room's bookcase of books that people in the office didn't want anymore - sort of like an office library), and I was sorely disappointed with it as well.

    If you have seen Independence Day
    you know how the book ends. It was supposedly extremely coincidental, but my eyebrow was raised anyhow once I realized the timing of the release of the book and the movie.
     
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    3001 was horrible, horrific, and a total waste of $6 (glad I didn't buy the hardback). Just a lame lame lame premise, Clarke's political agenda,



    Poole can't get laid because he's circumcised



    shaved heads, aforementioned ending. Bad Bad Bad stuff. I'd MUCH rather see 2061 be made into a film.
     
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    I woldn't even want to see 2061 made into a movie. Each of the subsequent books really just retread over material covered in 2001, basically explaining what could be picked out of the movie if you pay attention. 2061 was interesting enough with haley's comet and all, but overall it was just more of the same. 3001 was just laughably bad. Everything from inception to conclusion was just bad.
     
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    Please, oh gods of cinema, somehow make this idea go away. Unmake it, please. Wish it to the cornfield. Something.
     
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    Jack, aren't you looking forward to all of the folks who are going to see this monstrosity telling us how it better "explains" 2001: A Space Odyssey? [​IMG]
    I just watched it again last night and I'm definitely boycotting any further "sequels".
    Guess this means Clarke wants another house in Sri Lanka. Cha-ching!
     
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    "wish it to the cornfield"
    Jack - Great reference to Jerome Bixby's It's A Good Day. [​IMG]
    Have to agree, isn't 2010 enough of a reason to never, ever attempt to film another sequel? [​IMG]
    - Walter.
     
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    I was wondering if anyone would catch that reference! And, yes, two words to anyone contemplating such a wrongheaded idea: "Peter Hyams." Enough said.
     
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    Walter said:

     
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    I've always wanted to know why Kubrick never directed 2010. I heard that he destroyed the sets and props after making 2001, did he just feel that one film was enough?

    I don't see what harm another sequel could do, unless it attempts to explain something that shouldn't be explained.
     
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    I realized when I posted my comments on 2010 that an expansion of my original statement might be warranted. While the presence of an inferior sequel/prequel does not eliminate my ability to enjoy the original film ( I just have to pretend the other film doesn't exist ); I can't help but feel that 2010 should not have been made. Certainly not by a director who has Peter Hyam's sensibilities.
    For me, and some others [​IMG], 2001: A Space Odyssey is simply a masterpiece. My feelings about 2010, the novel, are somewhat mixed as I do feel that Clarke has the right to continue to explore his co-creation. The film version however simply feels like someone cashing a paycheck. None of the artistry of the first film is present in the sequel. While the sentiments of the plotline may be laudable, particularly the notion of peaceful co-existance, their presentation in the film version is strictly pedestrian.
    I tend to agree with impression of an SF/action 'feel' to 2010. An interpretation of the novel which I believe has NO business in Kubrick's 2001 universe. And while I can't say that I detest 2010, I have no love for it either. It has no meaning or relevance for me. I simply wish that it had not been made. Using Jack's phrase, or more properly - Jerome Bixby's, I wish it were in the cornfield. ( Damn, Jack - that phrase is so useful. [​IMG] )
    Just my feelings on the subject. If 2010 floats your boat, swell. [​IMG]
    - Walter.
     
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    Stanley Kubrick would never have--and didn't--give any serious thought to directing anything resembling a sequel to his film; 2001 was his vision, while, as Walter so eloquently points out, the Hyams thing was the act of someone cashing in a paycheck.

    2001 is its own, self-contained story, something that needs no further elaboration. My goodness, we're talking about a film that poetically and powerfully traces the entire evolution of humankind and posits the notion that our next developmental step will take place in space. I mean, how can you come up with a more sweeping story than that?
     
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    Walter:

    Well said, and I agree. 2001 is near perfect and 2010 does nothing to add to it. I see your point about the sequel potetially doing more harm than good in terms of what Kubrick was trying to accomplish with 2001. So thanks for the qualification. That being said, 2010 was all right on it's own merits. I've heard they might do Rama, interesting.....
     
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    I thought 2010 was ok, like Mike said, on its own merits. But stylistically, it can't even get close enough to 2001 to polish its shoes. I did enjoy the performance of some of the actors, especially John Lithgow.

    That being said, I feel if you need answers after you watch 2001, all the data needed can be found in the Novel. No need for 2010, book or movie, or any other sequels.

    2061 was a pretty cool book, and I loved the pure speculation of 3001, but like most of you, the story didn't do it for me.
     
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    No way is this film going to be made. Although I do like the book, it really isn't all that great. And as for skipping 2061, I think Clarke should have skipped it too, awful, awful read.

    Instead of trying to get this film made they should give 2001 a proper re-release. Warner should be ashamed of themselves (what else is new) for their treatment of this film. What they've done is the equivalent of putting the Mona Lisa on display in a broom closet.
     

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