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The only good thing I will say about Rodgers going to Pittsburgh is that he signed for cheap - - reportedly $13.5M with a potential to go up to $19M with bonuses. Even if he earns all the bonus money, he would still make less than Fields will with the Jets. That leaves money on the table to extend Watt and add another weapon on offense.
 

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The only good thing I will say about Rodgers going to Pittsburgh is that he signed for cheap - - reportedly $13.5M with a potential to go up to $19M with bonuses. Even if he earns all the bonus money, he would still make less than Fields will with the Jets. That leaves money on the table to extend Watt and add another weapon on offense.

Based on what QBs are getting paid, it is definitely a bargain basement deal.
 

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Well, if you are a Vikings fan this QB news won't thrill you. It seems J.J. McCarthy was not very good during OTAs, throwing daily picks and looking very mediocre overall. It made the Vikings nervous enough to start looking at the QB market again. The pickings are slim at this point. I think they are looking at Carson Wentz and Kirk Cousins...yes, we could actually see a return of Cousins to the Vikings. Cousins wants out of Atlanta in a big way but he has still not fully recovered from injuries. He's still basically damaged goods so I don't think teams have shown any interest in trading for him and if they do, they certainly should not be giving much up for him. I'm thinking 6th at most but more likely a 7th round pick.

It's June so some people say don't worry about McCarthy, you have until September to get him going, which is true but they don't really have insurance behind him if something does go wrong. The Vikings believe they have a playoff team with Super Bowl potential so, they want a QB that gets them into the playoffs there.

In other news, it does look like the Browns may be able to trade one of their many QBs. So, I was wrong about that. Word is the Dolphins would be open to trading for Dillon Gabriel. He was said to be pretty bad in their OTAs and the general comment on him was "Not an NFL QB.", so not even back-up material. However, the word is the Dolphins were going to draft him but the Browns got to him first. The Dolphins like him as a poor man's Tua is the word. So, they believe he would be comfortable learning from Tua and in the offense they play. In other words, a back-up that could step on the field and operate the offense in a similar way to Tua. Again, I don't think they should give up much to get him, Certainly not a 3rd rounder where he was taken, at best I would offer a 7th round pick. Honestly, they could just wait to see if the Browns cut him. Seems Flacco was by far the best QB in OTAs. Pickett was said to be a major disappointment and Sanders wasn't very good but better than Dillon and Pickett. I guess the Browns are still looking at who is left available in the QB market as well.
 

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I've heard some scathing takes on J.J. McCarthy. Some experts say he has a very average arm and just average mobility. So, they don't think at the NFL level his arm will scare anybody and he does not have the escape ability to extend plays. They called him a "glorified game manager" in the Michigan (Harbaugh's) offense. I was a bit annoyed listening to these comments, not because of what they were saying about McCarthy, but because of what Harbaugh did with Herbert in Los Angeles. He turned Herbert into a game manager for 3/4's of the season at least. The emphasis went to running the ball and throwing short passes. It was ridiculous to some extent but they stripped all the weapons out of the offense all at the same time and left Herbert with nothing but a rookie to throw to. Hopefully, Harbaugh and his OC do some things to open up the Charger offense in 2025. Herbert is not a game manager. He's got one of the best arms in the league and is a playmaker.

They went from a coach that had him slinging it all over the place to a coach that parked the Ferrari in the garage and tried to have the offense lean on J.K. Dobbins.
 

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Name of sources?

Most of my sources I am basing those comments on came from different guys previewing the season on NFL radio. Some things I have read about. The media and experts have really followed the Browns QB situation...for obvious reasons. I believe the Browns are just trying to shake out who they keep outside of Flacco and they wanted Pickett to be there but I guess he's been terrible. At least during OTAs.

It's an argument about McCarthy. Some say this is technically the kid's rookie season, and it is basically. So, he has to be given time to make mistakes and learn. Others say what they are seeing is a guy with not the best arm and that is really slow to get up to NFL speed and reaction time. I honestly don't know. I honestly do not know, I am just going by what these experts and reporters are saying. One guy dismissed all the harsh talk about McCarthy by saying "It's June, these guys are bored, they need something to talk and write about."

But at the same time, the rumors are that the Vikings are discussing Cousins.
 

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I've heard some scathing takes on J.J. McCarthy. Some experts say he has a very average arm and just average mobility. So, they don't think at the NFL level his arm will scare anybody and he does not have the escape ability to extend plays. They called him a "glorified game manager" in the Michigan (Harbaugh's) offense. I was a bit annoyed listening to these comments, not because of what they were saying about McCarthy, but because of what Harbaugh did with Herbert in Los Angeles. He turned Herbert into a game manager for 3/4's of the season at least. The emphasis went to running the ball and throwing short passes. It was ridiculous to some extent but they stripped all the weapons out of the offense all at the same time and left Herbert with nothing but a rookie to throw to. Hopefully, Harbaugh and his OC do some things to open up the Charger offense in 2025. Herbert is not a game manager. He's got one of the best arms in the league and is a playmaker.

They went from a coach that had him slinging it all over the place to a coach that parked the Ferrari in the garage and tried to have the offense lean on J.K. Dobbins.
Herbert is getting elite QB money, so the team needs to do everything possible to involve his enormous talents into the offense.
I love his physical ability, and I think the team has not stood by him so far. Harbaugh is a much better coach than the idiot he replaced, but is it possible Harbaugh is the wrong coach for the QB?
 

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At this point, I’m skeptical of those rumors. Too many hidden agendas.

I think with the Browns situation we are getting some pretty accurate info because it is being so closely watched. I mean there could be experts and reporters that are rooting for Shedeur so hard that they are trashing Pickett and Dillon but I don't think that would work because so many eyes are on that situation. I believe it probably is as reported, Flacco is currently on track to be the 1 and Shedeur, at least going into camp, is on track to be the 2. We basically know what Pickett will give you and Dillon is 5'11" which is by almost every metric, too short to be an NFL QB. That few inches of lowering the launch point of his ball is enough to make him very susceptible to batted balls. So, on the Browns reporting, I am guessing it is accurate.

On McCarthy, there, yes, there may be some nervous reporting about how he looks early because people think the Vikings have a Super Bowl roster all they need is the QB. So, the expectations for J.J. are sky high. He is expected to step in and take this team deep into the playoffs. Maybe he is not looking sharp yet. He is getting his first taste of playing against NFL defenders, the speed at this level, and he is coming back from major injury. It is a lot for the kid. I agree you can't write him off in June. They have to see him go against a real opponent. See how he reacts, and how he comes back from a challenge or poor performance.
 

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I think with the Browns situation we are getting some pretty accurate info because it is being so closely watched. I mean there could be experts and reporters that are rooting for Shedeur so hard that they are trashing Pickett and Dillon but I don't think that would work because so many eyes are on that situation. I believe it probably is as reported, Flacco is currently on track to be the 1 and Shedeur, at least going into camp, is on track to be the 2. We basically know what Pickett will give you and Dillon is 5'11" which is by almost every metric, too short to be an NFL QB. That few inches of lowering the launch point of his ball is enough to make him very susceptible to batted balls. So, on the Browns reporting, I am guessing it is accurate.

On McCarthy, there, yes, there may be some nervous reporting about how he looks early because people think the Vikings have a Super Bowl roster all they need is the QB. So, the expectations for J.J. are sky high. He is expected to step in and take this team deep into the playoffs. Maybe he is not looking sharp yet. He is getting his first taste of playing against NFL defenders, the speed at this level, and he is coming back from major injury. It is a lot for the kid. I agree you can't write him off in June. They have to see him go against a real opponent. See how he reacts, and how he comes back from a challenge or poor performance.
Believe as you wish, at this time, I’m calling BS because these people are in the entertaining business rather than having high journalistic standards.
 

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Herbert is getting elite QB money, so the team needs to do everything possible to involve his enormous talents into the offense.
I love his physical ability, and I think the team has not stood by him so far. Harbaugh is a much better coach than the idiot he replaced, but is it possible Harbaugh is the wrong coach for the QB?

It has been mentioned that the OC for the Chargers may not be the best fit for Herbert. He likes to lean on the run. His schemes tend to be a manage the game scheme. It is beat the opponent down football, not dagger to the heart ball where the QB can kill you on any play. I mean, there is an excuse for last year. All of the weapons that Herbert had were all shipped out. Allen, Williams, Ekeler, all his biggest weapons gone. Basically, that was because Harbaugh chose to keep the two pass rushers, Bosa (now gone and injured on his new team already) and Mack (still with the team). They maybe should have let Bosa go last season and kept Allen or Williams. Williams is now back and in a way, is their biggest pick-up in terms of a weapon for Herbert.

Thing is, they also drafted one of the best RB prospects in the 2025 draft. So, my guess is, the intent will be to heavily rely on the run again. I think what they want is a strong play action pass game but really, did they look at the tape? Herbert makes all the throws, zips it into tight windows, has fantastic accuracy. And, he's clutch. The thing is, when you have the guy be a game manager, hand off, throw short passes, dump offs to the RB, and take away his downfield game...well...rust grows, the team is not in sync to make those clutch plays late. And that is what we saw in 2024. By the time they hit the playoffs, the team was not much of a passing team, and then in the playoff game, they needed to become a passing team because the running was not working. And they could not do it.
 

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Believe as you wish, at this time, I’m calling BS because these people are in the entertaining business rather than having high journalistic standards.

It's true they are trying to entertain and have something to talk about. That's why at the same time some of the experts on NFL radio dismiss all the OTA talk by saying "It's June, they are not even wearing pads. Talk to me in August." and they say what happens at OTAs does not even matter. It's just the first look the media people get of the teams and new players.
 

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His NFL career is most likely done since he turns 36 years old later this year.

Morten Andersen and Adam Vinatieri played well into their forties, so I think Turner might still play in the NFL if he can get his legal and (alleged) behavior problems sorted out. I'm not convinced this will occur, but I believe it is still a possibility.

- Walter.
 

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Morten Andersen and Adam Vinatieri played well into their forties, so I think Turner might still play in the NFL if he can get his legal and (alleged) behavior problems sorted out. I'm not convinced this will occur, but I believe it is still a possibility.

- Walter.
We’ll see…
 

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I think the Steelers are all in that they can make the Super Bowl this year. That's what I think that trade for Ramsey means.

Let's see what Aaron Rodgers brings to the table, because if you look at him he has not been great, some might say not even good, for years.
 

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