2023-2024 NFL Season (1 Viewer)

[Robert Crawford]

I think it's going to be a long NFL season for this Giants and Raiders fan. I cancelled my Youtube subscription so I will not have the NFL Ticket this season. I don't need to pay to watch terrible football teams.

 

[Winston T. Boogie]

I think it's going to be a long NFL season for this Giants and Raiders fan. I cancelled my Youtube subscription so I will not have the NFL Ticket this season. I don't need to pay to watch terrible football teams.

The Giants look to be at a point where if this season goes bad, they could blow the whole thing up and start over. I find the situation with Daboll sort of a mess and if they end up firing him after this season, well, not sure he got a fair shake in his head coaching stint there. First, his tenure was tied to having Daniel Jones as the QB. This guy, in my opinion, is NFL back-up material, but not in any way a quality starter. I don't think he has the skill set and does not process the field the way a quality starter does. Daboll worked a miracle with him in his first season at HC, but what he did was just maximize what could be done with a player that is at best mediocre and probably worse than that.

It's not Daboll's job there to stock the shelves though, and something should have been done to bring in some other QB talent, at least for his second season there. Now with there being rumors that last season his temper got the best of him and Daboll did not get along with and spent a lot of time screaming at people, well, he starts season 3 with no talent at QB and what is probably a team that is worse offensively than they were last season. How they have done three seasons with Daboll with nothing brought in at QB to improve that position is beyond me, and I think a major mistake. If Daboll flames out with the Giants, well, I think that is a 50/50 in terms of who is at fault.

The Raiders have taken some swings to try to bring in the guys they wanted and had two terrible situations with Gruden and McDaniels. They also have not exactly done a good job bringing in talent.

They have a genuine QB competition going on this preseason. When they signed Minshew, it seemed people thought he would be their starter automatically. He has, I believe, now been named starter for the regular season opener, but if you ask me, I think Aiden O'Connell is right there with him and has an advantage, Devante Adams prefers O'Connell and feels he has the better arm. So, I think the QB competition will continue during the regular season and if Adams gets frustrated, I think O'Connell could step in at any time.

Funny thing is, I believe both the Raiders and the Giants should have pursued Justin Fields, the Steelers got him for a song, as he would have given both teams a player to work with that probably would have won the starting job hands down. I have to admit he looks much more exciting to watch playing for the Steelers than Russell Wilson looked in his preseason appearance.

 

[Jeffrey D]

The Giants look to be at a point where if this season goes bad, they could blow the whole thing up and start over. I find the situation with Daboll sort of a mess and if they end up firing him after this season, well, not sure he got a fair shake in his head coaching stint there. First, his tenure was tied to having Daniel Jones as the QB. This guy, in my opinion, is NFL back-up material, but not in any way a quality starter. I don't think he has the skill set and does not process the field the way a quality starter does. Daboll worked a miracle with him in his first season at HC, but what he did was just maximize what could be done with a player that is at best mediocre and probably worse than that.

It's not Daboll's job there to stock the shelves though, and something should have been done to bring in some other QB talent, at least for his second season there. Now with there being rumors that last season his temper got the best of him and Daboll did not get along with and spent a lot of time screaming at people, well, he starts season 3 with no talent at QB and what is probably a team that is worse offensively than they were last season. How they have done three seasons with Daboll with nothing brought in at QB to improve that position is beyond me, and I think a major mistake. If Daboll flames out with the Giants, well, I think that is a 50/50 in terms of who is at fault.

The Raiders have taken some swings to try to bring in the guys they wanted and had two terrible situations with Gruden and McDaniels. They also have not exactly done a good job bringing in talent.

They have a genuine QB competition going on this preseason. When they signed Minshew, it seemed people thought he would be their starter automatically. He has, I believe, now been named starter for the regular season opener, but if you ask me, I think Aiden O'Connell is right there with him and has an advantage, Devante Adams prefers O'Connell and feels he has the better arm. So, I think the QB competition will continue during the regular season and if Adams gets frustrated, I think O'Connell could step in at any time.

Funny thing is, I believe both the Raiders and the Giants should have pursued Justin Fields, the Steelers got him for a song, as he would have given both teams a player to work with that probably would have won the starting job hands down. I have to admit he looks much more exciting to watch playing for the Steelers than Russell Wilson looked in his preseason appearance.

I don’t blame Robert one bit for being sour on the Raiders, especially if a fan has to watch Minshew as the starter (he’s nothing more than a backup).

 

[Scott Merryfield]

I have been watching the golf tournament on NBC, and they have been advertising their opening two regular season games on Thursday & Friday nights -- KC vs. Baltimore and Green Bay vs. Philly. They have been touting the QBs as part of the promotion -- Mahommes Jackson and Love Hurts.

 

[Malcolm R]

Giants' devotion to Daniel Jones has always been a mystery to me. I don't really follow the Giants, but I'm not aware that he's ever shown anything special in the several years he's been in the league.

 

[Winston T. Boogie]

I don’t blame Robert one bit for being sour on the Raiders, especially if a fan has to watch Minshew as the starter (he’s nothing more than a backup).

Yeah, nor do I. Robert is in a bad spot both of his NFL teams make questionable decisions at the management level. They are both mired in bad decisions that have cost them years of rebuilding. Plus the Raiders play in a division with the Chiefs and they are the new version of the Patriots, pretty much dominating their division and they have made no strides to compete with them. If you are playing Patrick Mahomes, you need a competitive QB on the field.

Minshew is a quality back-up. He is one of the few guys that seems to be able to come off the bench and give a team a spark. He is good for that role. He is not a guy you want as a starter unless it is short term. I don't know, maybe they think O'Connell is going to develop into something. Supposedly Adams likes him. Thinks he has the best arm on the team.

I think that there have been guys available that have a better skill set that could be more competitive. What went down with Justin Fields was kind of bizarre, I figured teams would jump at him, but he went to the Steelers for a song and as a back-up. However, it looks like the Steelers were right to sign him because, even though it is early, it looks like Wilson may be toast. They are going to start him but if he stinks in the first few games, fans will be screaming for Fields. Wilson is on a prove it deal, just this season, so the Steelers have nothing to lose with him, but if he is bad there, I expect he probably retires. I don't think another team will give him a shot after he bombed out with both the Broncos and Steelers.

 

[Winston T. Boogie]

Giants' devotion to Daniel Jones has always been a mystery to me. I don't really follow the Giants, but I'm not aware that he's ever shown anything special in the several years he's been in the league.

I understood riding with him in Daboll's first season. That went well. However, I feel like the top priority should have been to bring another player or players in. Jones did what was asked of him well, but it was not spectacular, and it was built around the running game. It was obvious Jones had a ceiling of very mediocre at best. Daboll is a QB guy, was brought in to work with a new QB, he is in season three and his starter is Daniel Jones. Plus, they paid Jones starter money when the best case was for them to let someone else lure him away...if anybody would have.

Jones was a mistake of a previous GM, drafted way too high, they loved him because some coach that worked with both Manning brothers had worked with him. When they got rid of that GM, went with Daboll as HC, they should have prioritized getting rid of past mistakes. Let Jones go, try to trade Barkley right away if he still held value.

I don't think Daboll makes the personnel calls, he probably has input, but he is the coach. The priority should have been to move on quickly from players that should not have been on the team and start a rebuild with Daboll. Even though season one under Daboll was a success they still should have been prioritizing moving on from Jones and Barkley.

Here's the thing, Dave Gettleman destroyed Barkley's career. He drafted Barkley at a time when the Giants should no way have been drafting a running back. It was a death sentence for his career because Eli was done at that point so all Barkley would do is take a beating while the Giants searched for a QB. This caused Gettleman to reach and take Jones high in the first round because to make the Barkley pick work, they desperately needed a QB. Jones was terrible, so defenses could continue to focus on the Giants running game and beat the living hell out of Barkley.

In the recent Hard Knocks show, the GM that replaced Gettleman described his pitch to Barkley to stay with the team. It was an utter joke. Sign here for less money, we still have no QB, and you play two more years here and you get to be in the Giants Ring of Fame. What? So, take a beating while we look for a QB and not look hard, and you can be in the Ring of Fame, or sign with a team for more money and get to maybe compete for a Super Bowl. Which is what he did signing with the Eagles. Bonus, he gets to play the Giants and their QB-less team twice a season.

The Giants should have been trying to trade Barkley the second they signed Daboll to coach because maybe they could have got something for him 3 years ago. Now he walked and will probably punish them twice a year. Plus the Eagles are one of the better teams in the NFC, so Barkley will go to the playoffs and get a shot a getting to a Super Bowl. How easy a decision is that?

They did not go for the rebuild right away, a mistake, Barkley is gone and talking about how he never lived up to his potential, because he played for a bad team that did not have a QB, so he was a punching bag. Now the Giants are coming into this season, Jones is still the QB, Daboll is probably coaching for his job because of that, and if they fire Daboll, well, they will never know what he could have done if they brought in some talent at QB.

This is why Robert has no current interest in football. That's just bad decision after bad decision.

 

[Jeffrey D]

I understood riding with him in Daboll's first season. That went well. However, I feel like the top priority should have been to bring another player or players in. Jones did what was asked of him well, but it was not spectacular, and it was built around the running game. It was obvious Jones had a ceiling of very mediocre at best. Daboll is a QB guy, was brought in to work with a new QB, he is in season three and his starter is Daniel Jones. Plus, they paid Jones starter money when the best case was for them to let someone else lure him away...if anybody would have.

Jones was a mistake of a previous GM, drafted way too high, they loved him because some coach that worked with both Manning brothers had worked with him. When they got rid of that GM, went with Daboll as HC, they should have prioritized getting rid of past mistakes. Let Jones go, try to trade Barkley right away if he still held value.

I don't think Daboll makes the personnel calls, he probably has input, but he is the coach. The priority should have been to move on quickly from players that should not have been on the team and start a rebuild with Daboll. Even though season one under Daboll was a success they still should have been prioritizing moving on from Jones and Barkley.

Here's the thing, Dave Gettleman destroyed Barkley's career. He drafted Barkley at a time when the Giants should no way have been drafting a running back. It was a death sentence for his career because Eli was done at that point so all Barkley would do is take a beating while the Giants searched for a QB. This caused Gettleman to reach and take Jones high in the first round because to make the Barkley pick work, they desperately needed a QB. Jones was terrible, so defenses could continue to focus on the Giants running game and beat the living hell out of Barkley.

In the recent Hard Knocks show, the GM that replaced Gettleman described his pitch to Barkley to stay with the team. It was an utter joke. Sign here for less money, we still have no QB, and you play two more years here and you get to be in the Giants Ring of Fame. What? So, take a beating while we look for a QB and not look hard, and you can be in the Ring of Fame, or sign with a team for more money and get to maybe compete for a Super Bowl. Which is what he did signing with the Eagles. Bonus, he gets to play the Giants and their QB-less team twice a season.

The Giants should have been trying to trade Barkley the second they signed Daboll to coach because maybe they could have got something for him 3 years ago. Now he walked and will probably punish them twice a year. Plus the Eagles are one of the better teams in the NFC, so Barkley will go to the playoffs and get a shot a getting to a Super Bowl. How easy a decision is that?

They did not go for the rebuild right away, a mistake, Barkley is gone and talking about how he never lived up to his potential, because he played for a bad team that did not have a QB, so he was a punching bag. Now the Giants are coming into this season, Jones is still the QB, Daboll is probably coaching for his job because of that, and if they fire Daboll, well, they will never know what he could have done if they brought in some talent at QB.

This is why Robert has no current interest in football. That's just bad decision after bad decision.

Seems to me Daboll is on the shortest leash at the start of the season- if the Giants get off to a slow start, he is in immediate trouble.

 

[Winston T. Boogie]

Two players the Giants should have went after, Justin Fields and Trey Lance. Why? Both went to other teams for very little, both have a better skill set and higher ceiling than Daniel Jones. So, could have got them cheap and it would have been interesting to see Daboll work with them. Lance did not get off the ground with the 49ers and got beat out by Purdy because he picked up the offense faster and was more comfortable running it. However, now this season in Dallas, word is Lance has finally adapted to the speed of the game and is developing into a potential starter. He needed more time as a project. He has the big arm, he has a nice skill set, but he came out of a program that was not going to prepare him for the pro game.

Lance is a lot like Josh Allen in terms of physical tools and skill set. A player that Daboll helped turn into one of the best QBs in the NFL. The Giants should have gone after him and given Daboll a chance to work with the kid. The Cowboys got him last season for a 4th round pick. That means the Giants could have had him, let him sit behind Jones and whomever, and Daboll could have seen what he could do with him. He would have had a kid with Josh Allen's skill set.

Fields was traded to the Steelers for a conditional 6th round pick in 2025 (that's about as low as compensation gets) and if he plays 51% of the snaps this season, the Bears get a 4th round pick for him. Really? And the Giants were not in play, Fields sat forever waiting for a team to make a move for him. The Giants instead, still have Daniel Jones as option 1. In a way, it is obscene. Daboll could have both players, he could be starting Fields and have Lance developing behind him. That would be a far better position to be in than having Jones, who is overpaid, and has zero value in a trade. Zero.

Not to pick on Robert's teams, but kind of mindblowing that the Raiders signed Minshew instead of Fields. Major headscratcher there as well. I mean, I do not know what these teams are thinking. The Giants though have a QB guru in Daboll, why would you not throw some low round draft picks at bringing in Fields and Lance to work with him?

 

[Winston T. Boogie]

Seems to me Daboll is on the shortest leash at the start of the season- if the Giants get off to a slow start, he is in immediate trouble.

Maybe, he's basically had one good season there and one bad. Last year apparently he was furious a lot of the time and he laid into all kinds of people in the organization. I don't think players, but staff and management. In some ways, I do not blame him for that. Of course, not sure how long you can do that for, while the team loses games, and still remain employed.

I feel like Daboll is a good coach. He took on a huge mess there and in reality, the clean-up of that mess has not really taken place yet. The first season was not expected. I don't think anybody knew that was coming. The second season was pretty much what everyone expected. However, Daboll had a temper problem last season.

Nothing looks good about this season. Barkley is gone, that won't help the already terrible Jones. They drafted one of the best WRs, maybe one of the best players in the draft in Nabors but...Jones is the guy that will be throwing to him. That's not promising. Honestly, by year three, I would have thought Daboll would have had some other better options at QB. Now his career kind of rides on Daniel Jones...how crappy a place is that to be?

 

[Malcolm R]

Not to pick on Robert's teams, but kind of mindblowing that the Raiders signed Minshew instead of Fields.

I haven't seen Minshew this year, but Fields hasn't really shown anything in the Steelers' pre-season.

 

[Winston T. Boogie]

I haven't seen Minshew this year, but Fields hasn't really shown anything in the Steelers' pre-season.

Well, he looks more dangerous as a player and with higher upside than Wilson. Mainly because he also makes plays with his legs. They may be about the same throwing the ball but Fields is a duel threat QB. Plus I think Fields can get better, Wilson looks to be on a steep decline. I think in that case, Fields will end up the better option for the Steelers.

 

[Robert Crawford]

The root cause why the Raiders and Giants are in such a bad situation is because of poor ownership. It’s time to show some patience and commitment from both ownership groups to the people you hired.

 

[Robert Crawford]

As to Fields, I have some serious doubts about him.

 

[Scott Merryfield]

As to Fields, I have some serious doubts about him.

Me, too. He has an erratic arm, which just doesn't work in the NFL, no matter how mobile the player is. The Steelers offense is going to be ugly this season. No quarterback and only one quality wide receiver. Opposing teams will overplay the run and dare Pittsburgh to beat them in the air.

 

[Jeffrey D]

I think this is a bit absurd- prognosticators are placing the Jets as the AFC East favorites going into the season. Is this largely due to Aaron hype? There are 2 other teams in the division that had better seasons last year, and are under pressure to be at the top this season.

 

[Malcolm R]

Must be just recycling content. Haven't the Jets also been picked to lead the division for the past few seasons? Writers seem to think they have huge potential, but they never live up to it.

 

[Walter Kittel]

I seriously doubt that Rodgers will be able to avoid a major injury this season. So I am not putting a lot of stock in predictions that the Jets will take the AFC East.

To quote Marcellus Wallace: "You see, this profession is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherf**kers. Motherf**kers who thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't."

- Walter.

 

[Jeffrey D]

Cowboys and WR CeeDee Lamb reach a contract agreement- 4 years, $136 million. Supposedly the betting line for wins is
9-1/2. Interesting that is it’s this low.