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Lots of songs to clear on seasons 4-7, that much I know.

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Lots of very expensive music rights to clear. Not sure we will see this one continue.
Okay , that explains a lot . Music clearance rights have also killed the release of the Warner Brothers Detective shows. It's shame that some type of compromise couldn't be worked out with the music publishing companies . For example in Britain there is one fee paid to cover all songs - it more economical so things are more easily released .
 

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Okay , that explains a lot . Music clearance rights have also killed the release of the Warner Brothers Detective shows. It's shame that some type of compromise couldn't be worked out with the music publishing companies . For example in Britain there is one fee paid to cover all songs - it more economical so things are more easily released .
What I don't understand is why some shows have no music clearance issues and others have a lot. There are a number of episodes with music in shows like The Donna Reed Show, The Patty Duke Show, I Love Lucy, Here's Lucy, The Dick Van Dyke Show, Batman, etc. that haven't had to change or eliminate music for home video releases. Then there are others that need to have all or most music changed or taken out. The original music cues in Leave It To Beaver are intact, but the same can't be done for the first 2 seasons of My Three Sons? After many negative comments and extreme disapproval from many consumers, some shows like The Fugitive redid the DVDs and inserted much of the original music cues. Other shows like The Wonder Years and WKRP In Cincinnati have most of the original music. Nothing can be done like this with 77 Sunset Strip or Hawaiian Eye???
 

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In the case of music issues, the question is who exactly owns a particular copyright and the rights of the recording.

The recent ramblings of international rockstar Taylor Swift in the media, really addresses this issue. Apparently for her first 5 albums, somebody else owns the rights to the recordings. She has plans to "re-record" these songs so that she has complete ownership/control over her own re-recordings.
 

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If a movie company owns the copyright and recording of a piece of music, I suspect there will be no music issues at all. (For example, if something is "work for hire" in the original writing/recording contracts).
 

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One strategy to get around music issues, is to hire a band and/or studio musicians to record "cover versions" of a recent hit song, as "work for hire".

In such cases, I suspect the movie company mainly has to get permission and pay a fee/royalty on the copyright of the particular hit song. Since they're not using the original recording of said song, I don't know if they're required to get permission from the owner of the original recording (such as a record company that owns the master tapes and rights of the recording).
 

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As an example of this, I noticed on the original Knight Rider dvds that some of the then-current hit songs (from the early-mid 1980s) used in episodes, didn't sound like the original recordings.

For example, such as Billy Idol's Rebel Yell. (I don't remember the exact episode that had Rebel Yell in it).
 
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After many negative comments and extreme disapproval from many consumers, some shows like The Fugitive redid the DVDs and inserted much of the original music cues.
I suspect the reasons this was done for The Fugitive, is stuff like:

- they probably got back too much returned + unsold inventory
- an executive at CBS/Paramount cared enough about The Fugitive that they were willing to spend some company "political capital" on correcting the music issues

If nobody with power to call the shots inside the home video division at CBS/Paramount cared enough about The Fugitive, most likely nothing would have been done. (ie. It might have been "stalled" after the first season).
 

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Sorry...posted in wrong category. Meant to put it in Movies, where it will now be.
 
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I have been continuously writing to all different companies to get shows released or at least streamed----different ones such as:
Warner DVD- Movie Zying DVDs--Olive Films--Tubi TV (free streaming site)--Sony Crackle (streaming site)--CBS All Access--MGM -Disney (because of the 20 Century Fox takeover) and others.
Shows such as--
--Gavilan
--The Quest (1982)
--The Hasty Heart (1983)
--The Fall Guy (seasons 2-5)
--Star of the Family
--Just Our Luck (1983)
--Hawaiian Heat
--Caribe (1975)
and other live action shows --as well as cartoons Jeannie--Harlem Globetrotters--Lassie's Rescue Rangers--Daffy Duck and Porky Pig Meet the Groovie Goolies--Tabitha and Adam and the Clown Family--The Mini Munsters and others.

On the free streaming sites I can always download and put the shows on DVD myself.
Some of the companies have been affable about the requests but nothing comes to production-while others I get no answer.
It's almost like a frantic search for someone who'll take these shows out of the vaults and release them all--somewhere---anywhere.
 

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I suspect the reasons this was done for The Fugitive, is stuff like:

- they probably got back too much returned + unsold inventory
That's got to be a big driver behind why The Fugitive was redone-- that outflow of dissatisfaction w/the musical problems.
 

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That's got to be a big driver behind why The Fugitive was redone-- that outflow of dissatisfaction w/the musical problems.
This is not always done, due to solely returns + dissastisfaction.

For example, nothing was done to correct the first dvd release of WKRP season 1. Essentially it had to be outsourced to Shout Factory in order for anybody in power to care about the music issues.
 

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One prediction has come true:
Hangin' With Mr. Cooper: The Complete Third Season - 1/21/2020

Good to see WAC is also releasing the final season of Duck Dodgers next month (sadly DVD only), which I hope leads to The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries and also Taz-Mania finally getting completed.
 
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I am hoping CBS puts out Season 5 of My Three Sons (my fave of the B&W years) and starts on the color seasons.
I was also hoping for more MTS in 2020 and, per this week's TV Shows on DVD Facebook announcement, we're getting Season 5 even before the new year. The posting says that Season 5 is available now, and then it lists 2 links to SAE.

I'm too realistic (and a bit cynical) to believe there won't be any edited episodes. So I just hope the edits will be few and not too noticeable.

Volume 1




Volume 2

 

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The issue of music in The Fugitive was a unique case. This was not an issue about songs, but it was about the background score. This was the first instance of the entire background score being systematically wiped out for no other reason than CBS didn't want to take the time, effort or cost to figure out what music they actually owned, what few pieces of the Capitol Music library was used, or what pieces of music might have fallen into the public domain. From what I observed of the situation it was a combination of overzealousness and laziness. They didn't want to take the time to check each piece of music, so they chopped it all to be safe. In the end it cost them more. They paid to have the series re-scored and then they subsequently reinserted much of the original score, and finally restoring all of the original score. It would have been cheaper if they had just taken the time to check it all out in the first place. Yes, public outcry certainly helped get the issue fixed properly but it left a very bad taste. CBS certainly took a bath over it. Their reputation with the public was stained. In the end, however, they really haven't changed their practices much. There are several songs that were chopped from The Odd Couple that are clearly in the public domain and this has yet to be fixed. And that is just one example of their 'chop it all to be safe' mentality.

As for shows like Knight Rider, Glenn Larson was notorious for having cover bands record popular songs for use in his TV productions. Yes, this cut down on the cost of the music. The company only had to pay for use of the song and not the song and the performance. For myself, I always found those covers to be distracting and awkward sounding. In a word, cheap.
 

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The issue of music in The Fugitive was a unique case. This was not an issue about songs, but it was about the background score. This was the first instance of the entire background score being systematically wiped out for no other reason than CBS didn't want to take the time, effort or cost to figure out what music they actually owned, what few pieces of the Capitol Music library was used, or what pieces of music might have fallen into the public domain. From what I observed of the situation it was a combination of overzealousness and laziness. They didn't want to take the time to check each piece of music, so they chopped it all to be safe. In the end it cost them more. They paid to have the series re-scored and then they subsequently reinserted much of the original score, and finally restoring all of the original score. It would have been cheaper if they had just taken the time to check it all out in the first place.
Sounds like the management folks calling the shots at the time, thought it was less expensive to re-record all the music than it was to pay their lawyers. In the end, the re-recorded music probably ended up being a tax writeoff.
 
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As for shows like Knight Rider, Glenn Larson was notorious for having cover bands record popular songs for use in his TV productions. Yes, this cut down on the cost of the music. The company only had to pay for use of the song and not the song and the performance. For myself, I always found those covers to be distracting and awkward sounding. In a word, cheap.
The early years of The Simpsons did this, too. It's especially obvious with the song "9 to 5" by Dolly Parton, used in the flashback episode to Bart's birth, especially when it originates from a movie (and later a TV show) from the same studio and when Dolly herself was actually a guest voice later at the end of the decade!
 

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Do you remember when we heard news about upcoming projects several months ahead? Not so much these days. I do wish WB Archives could give us a few crumbs so that we could know something. These days they keep everything close to their vest. I do know there will be some Universal tv releases coming from La La Land records in the works for 2020. But I wish there would be more news. Wish there was information about more lost films or ones that need to be restored.

--James
 

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Sounds like the management folks calling the shots at the time, thought it was less expensive to re-record all the music than it was to pay their lawyers. In the end, the re-recorded music probably ended up being a tax writeoff.
It certainly was a writeoff. Paying for a score not used is still a deductible business expense.
 
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as far as actual guesses goes for this year,
i'd say bring on The Flintstone Comedy Hour (1972)
and since it now has been released on ITunes in full,
might as well release The Flintstone Kids.

it's the 60 year anniversary of The Flintstones,
so bring us some dvd/blu-ray releases already :)
season sets of the original show fully restored to the best of their abilities, like The Jetsons and Jonny Quest.

as for wishlist stuff.......

i'd kill for a complete show dvd set of Foofur.
and also Wildfire (cartoon) and Jeannie (cartoon)
on that note, with the recent release of The Fonz and the Happy Days Gang and Laverne and Shirley in the Army, might as well hope for a release of the Mork & Mindy (cartoon)
 

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