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2019 At The Box Office

Discussion in 'Movies' started by Tino, Dec 23, 2018.

  1. Colin Jacobson

    Colin Jacobson Lead Actor

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    Friday night, I looked to get an IMAX ticket for the Sunday 3:15 showing - they'd not sold a single ticket!

    Anecdotal, of course, but that's still what we call a "bad sign"!
     
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    I don't think anyone was demanding another CA movie. I was rather shocked when they announced they were making another.
     
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    Down to $8.2 million this morning, per The Hollywood Reporter.

    I'm not surprised. Second only behind "Men in Black: International" for the worst marketing campaign of the year.
     
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  4. Colin Jacobson

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    To be fair, no one "demanded" the 2000 "Angels" but it did pretty well.

    No one demanded a movie based on an old Disney theme park attraction, but "PotC" was a hit! :D
     
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    Seriously... the last poster I saw was a picture of Kristen Stewart with her tongue out angled in such a way that it looked like she was licking her co-stars armpit. Nothing against Stewart or armpits but what does that have to do with selling an action comedy?
     
  6. Colin Jacobson

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    I guess you mean this:

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    That's a promo shot - I didn't find evidence it was a poster, though.

    Also, shoulders are not armpits! :D
     
  7. Josh Steinberg

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    I think there was an IMAX poster that used a sketching of that image but the way it was formatted kinda put them closer together, and still... what does her licking another person’s shoulder have to do with selling me a ticket to a movie about badass girls kicking butt? I was just agreeing with Adam - bad marketing campaign.
     
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    I saw Once Upon A Time In Hollywood about 6 million times which means I saw the Charlie's Angels trailer every time. The trailer was so bad that it almost made me want to stop seeing Once Upon A Time In Hollywood.
     
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    November has not been a good month for box office openers.
     
  10. Jake Lipson

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    Frozen II should change that next week.
     
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    It will be an interesting test of Disney's new strategy. The company has prominently advertised that its major motion pictures will be available to stream on Disney+ only a few months after they debut in theaters. Will audiences say, why pay $14 per movie ticket when I can just wait a little bit and see it as part of the $7/month I'm already paying?

    The perplexing thing about Disney+ is that Disney gets a new $7/month revenue stream, but only at the risk of cannibalizing all of their other film and television revenue streams.

    If it makes $90 million next weekend, there will be nothing to worry about for now. But if it underperforms, I could see a lot people asking whether Disney+ is simply too good of a deal.
     
  12. Josh Steinberg

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    Is that so much different from these films appearing on Netflix mere months after the theatrical debut?

    I said in another one of the D+ threads but I think that the end is near for theatrical exhibition as we know it. I don’t think that means all theaters disappear completely but everything is changing so quickly. I think Disney is going with a two pronged strategy of getting the last big bangs out of the current theatrical environment while positioning themselves for the future where the vast majority of viewers are subscribers rather than ticket buyers. And I think if push came to shove, they’d sacrifice today’s theatrical revenue for tomorrow’s subscription loyalty.
     
  13. Jake Lipson

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    At the event last spring where Disney brought out the heads of their various divisions to tout the content on Disney+, they made a point of saying that Frozen II would be available on Disney+ next summer. We can also use the previous timetable of releases going to Netflix to estimate how long the window will be.

    Ralph Breaks the Internet (2018), Coco (2017) and Moana (2016) all debuted in theaters over Thanksgiving and were covered under the Disney/Netflix output deal. Moana was the latest of these to come to disc, in early March 2017, in a year when the Oscars were held in March and the disc was timed to street the following Tuesday. The other two came to disc at the end of February in the calendar year following their theatrical release. Then, all of them arrived on Netflix in June.

    At that time, people knew that a new Disney theatrical release would turn up on Netflix, but those films didn't have a problem drawing audiences to theaters. (Ralph Breaks the Internet was the lowest-grossing of them, but it had to contend with a direct rival animated title in The Grinch.) I really don't see people deciding to wait for Disney+ on Frozen II if they didn't wait for Netflix for those other titles. Besides, Frozen is a bigger brand than those three combined.

    Everyone also knew that Disney's slate from earlier this year would come to Disney+ -- Captain Marvel wasn't even out of theaters yet when it was announced that it would be on there at launch day -- and that didn't stop Disney from having five billion-dollar titles this year. If it's a movie that people don't really care about, they might stay home, but if you have a big event movie that people are excited about, they'll come out. I think people are excited about Frozen II, and I don't see Disney+ keeping people away from that. The original Frozen crossed a billion dollars when it was much more rare to do that, and interest in it has remained strong since then. I think the new one is going to be huge. The Lion King made $1.6 billion with worse reviews and mixed audience reaction. I think Frozen means more to today's generation of kids than The Lion King does, and its potential only goes up if the movie delivers the goods.

    I'm going to call it right now; Frozen II will end its run as the #3 grosser of the year worldwide behind only Endgame and The Rise of Skywalker.
     
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    Most likely, new Disney movies will take about six to eight months from their theatrical release date. That’s when the movies were added to Netflix when they were a part of the Disney-Netflix deal that brought all the new Disney movies to Netflix between 2016 and 2019

    https://netflixlife.com/2019/11/15/frozen-2-release-date-disney-plus/
     
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    I think Frozen even has the potential to beat out Star Wars by a hair for #2.
     
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  16. Colin Jacobson

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    You're right - it was an IMAX poster. Looks identical to the photo in terms of pose/format, though:

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    As far as what does it sell... it sells hot girls who're "intimate". Shockingly, that appeals to a lot of heterosexual males!

    The "Angels" franchise was always about sex appeal at least as much - if not more - than "badass girls kicking butt".

    The TV series was mocked for being a "jiggle show", so the attempt to sell the 2019 film based on sex is nothing new...
     
  17. TravisR

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    True but thanks to the internet, I can see the gnarliest "intimacy" I want at any time so PG-13 sexuality isn't even remotely the same selling point that it used to be.
     
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    Perhaps not, but in a crowded movie landscape, I suspect the studio wanted to make a "girls movie" look more palatable to men as well.

    I don't argue the ad campaign is good - just don't think that one poster made any dent.

    I think the movie flopped for a few reasons. It lacked much sex appeal, and unlike the 2000 version, it didn't offer much star power. Stewart is the only "name" of the leads, and she's best-known as a sullen vampire-lover, not a fun action hero.

    The 2000 film got things right. It was fluffy and campy and it had actors audiences knew.

    The 2019 lacks the same charms. It seems to take itself more seriously and it doesn't have big stars. There just wasn't much to make it stand out and appeal to audiences beyond name recognition for the franchise...
     
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  19. Tino

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    Top 20



    1 - Ford v Ferrari Twentieth Century Fox $31,037,000 - 3,528 - - $31,037,000 1
    2 1 Midway Lionsgate $8,750,000 - 3,242 - - $35,140,773 2
    3 - Charlie's Angels Sony Pictures Releasing $8,600,000 - 3,452 - - $8,600,000 1
    4 3 Playing with Fire Paramount Pictures $8,550,000 - 3,185 +60 - $25,497,824 2
    5 4 Last Christmas Universal Pictures $6,700,000 - 3,454 +6 - $22,575,765 2
    6 2 Doctor Sleep Warner Bros. $6,181,000 - 3,855 - - $25,039,159 2
    7 - The Good Liar Warner Bros. $5,656,000 - 2,439 - - $5,656,000 1
    8 6 Joker Warner Bros. $5,635,000 - 2,337 -469 - $322,599,593 7
    9 7 Maleficent: Mistress of Evil Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures $5,247,000 - 2,549 -652 - $106,040,384 5
    10 8 Harriet Focus Features $4,780,000 - 2,011 -175 - $31,882,990 3
    11 5 Terminator: Dark Fate Paramount Pictures $4,375,000 - 2,477 -1,609 - $56,885,077 3
    12 11 Jojo Rabbit Fox Searchlight Pictures $2,818,000 - 995 +197 - $13,597,498 5
    13 9 Zombieland: Double Tap Sony Pictures Releasing $2,010,000 - 1,407 -1,020 - $70,393,247 5
    14 13 Parasite Neon $1,935,000 - 620 +17 - $14,493,363 6
    15 12 Countdown STX Entertainment $1,230,000 - 946 -883 - $24,380,249 4
    16 15 Black and Blue Screen Gems $950,000 - 558 -571 - $20,783,804 4
    17 14 Motherless Brooklyn Warner Bros. $500,000 - 611 -731 - $8,814,596 3
    18 18 The Lighthouse A24 $391,770 - 290 -393 - $9,790,683 5
    19 20 Abominable Universal Pictures $339,000 - 299 -107 - $59,738,090 8
    20 19 Downton Abbey Focus Features $305,000 - 303 -171 - $96,287,560 9
     
  20. Jake Lipson

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    I don't get why Box Office Mojo still lists Fox as its own distributor.

    I don't use them on my own anymore and only realized this when clicking through Tino's link in the top 20, but seriously....20th Century Fox was a distributor, but now they are no more a distributor than Pixar, Marvel or Lucasfilm are. All of that is going to Disney's market share for the year because they are a Disney subsidiary.
     
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