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2019 At The Box Office

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  1. Jake Lipson

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    Good. I'm happy to have a movie I like at #1 again.

    Congratulations to everyone involved with Endgame.
     
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    Per the above, because people sometimes don’t click on links without knowing what it’s leading to:

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    Congrats Marvel Studios! Well earned!

    You took a childhood fantasy of mine and made it a reality. And you did it so well that the the general pop liked it enough to make you this successful.
     
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    Congrats to Marvel....although adjusted for inflation, Avatar beats Endgame domestically and World Wide.
     
  4. Jake Lipson

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    Avatar is #15 all-time adjusted and Endgame is #16.

    But if you're talking about adjusted for inflation, Gone with the Wind is still on top by a wide margin.

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
     
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    You’re right of course. Post edited accordingly.
     
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    Jake Lipson

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    Inflation evens out the playing field by making all the ticket prices equal.

    However, inflation can't account for the changes in the culture that happen across time. Who's to say that Gone with the Wind would actually have made $1.82 billion domestically today in the age of shrinking theater-to-video windows and all the streaming entertainment options that we have?

    In that way, the unadjusted number is also completely valid because it levels the playing field by looking at raw dollar amounts. Endgame made more money in raw dollars in a much more crowded and competitive entertainment landscape than Avatar dealt with when it came out ten years ago.

    There is no catch-all way that will account for every factor at once in comparing the grosses of movies that came out at different times. Both numbers are worth considering as a snapshot that tells you part of the box office story. You just have to look at more than one number because there is more than one correct way of looking at it, and the whole box office story is a combination of multiple numbers.
     
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    Yeah, honestly the “adjusted for inflation” stuff makes the whole concept of comparing movies’ box office takes throughout multiple decades kind of pointless. Great, go ahead and adjust for inflation. But how the hell do you adjust for the multiple other factors in our world that impact where people spend their entertainment dollars and the environment in which they are spent? You can’t. It’s just too complex. So the “unadjusted” numbers, I think, are still the ones that are the best to compare.
     
  8. Jake Lipson

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    I'm not sure if I agree with that. Adjusting for inflation gives you one way of looking at it and comparing the unadjusted numbers is another. Neither one is a perfect way because both of them have advantages and disadvantages. It's more complex than one number being right and one number being wrong; they're just designed to tell you different things, and both are valuable considerations for different reasons.
     
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  9. Tino

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    Tickets sold is the true barometer. That’s how box-office should be reported.

    But to flat out dismiss adjusted box-office numbers, especially during the last twenty years or so, is wrong I think.
     
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    Top 20 ADJUSTED

    Adjusted Gross Unadjusted Gross Year^
    1 Gone with the Wind MGM $1,822,598,200 $200,852,579 1939^
    2 Star Wars Fox $1,604,857,600 $460,998,007 1977^
    3 The Sound of Music Fox $1,283,791,300 $159,287,539 1965^
    4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $1,278,107,600 $435,110,554 1982^
    5 Titanic Par. $1,221,303,800 $659,363,944 1997^
    6 The Ten Commandments Par. $1,180,310,000 $65,500,000 1956
    7 Jaws Uni. $1,153,990,200 $260,000,000 1975
    8 Doctor Zhivago MGM $1,118,460,500 $111,721,910 1965
    9 The Exorcist WB $996,498,500 $232,906,145 1973^
    10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Dis. $982,090,000 $184,925,486 1937^
    11 Star Wars: The Force Awakens BV $974,117,000 $936,662,225 2015
    12 101 Dalmatians Dis. $900,254,400 $144,880,014 1961^
    13 The Empire Strikes Back Fox $884,607,500 $290,475,067 1980^
    14 Ben-Hur MGM $883,402,600 $74,422,622 1959^
    15 Avatar Fox $876,759,300 $760,507,625 2009^
    16 Avengers: Endgame BV $853,384,193 2019 2009^
    17 Return of the Jedi Fox $847,475,300 $309,306,177 1983^
    18 Jurassic Park Uni. $825,894,500 $402,828,120 1993^
    19 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $813,711,800 $474,544,677 1999^
    20 The Lion King BV $803,209,300 $422,783,777 1994^

    CHART NOTES
    * Adjusted to the estimated 2019 average ticket price of $9.01. Inflation-adjustment is mostly done by multiplying estimated admissions by the latest average ticket price. Where admissions are unavailable, adjustment is based on the average ticket price for when each movie was released (taking in to account re-releases where applicable).

    ^ Indicates documented multiple theatrical releases. Most of the pre-1980 movies listed on this chart had multiple undocumentented releases over the years. The year shown is the first year of release.

    Most pre-1980 pictures achieved their totals through multiple releases, especially Disney animated features which made much of their totals in the past few decades belying their original release dates in terms of adjustment. For example, Snow White has made $118,328,683 of its unadjusted $184,925,486 total since 1983. Click here for a full discussion of adjusting for movie ticket price inflation.

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  11. Tino

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    So you think this list is the best to compare?

    Top UNADJUSTED
    1 Star Wars: The Force Awakens BV $936,662,225 2015
    2 Avengers: Endgame BV $853,384,193 2019
    3 Avatar Fox $760,507,625 2009^
    4 Black Panther BV $700,059,566 2018
    5 Avengers: Infinity War BV $678,815,482 2018
    6 Titanic Par. $659,363,944 1997^
    7 Jurassic World Uni. $652,270,625 2015
    8 Marvel's The Avengers BV $623,357,910 2012
    9 Star Wars: The Last Jedi BV $620,181,382 2017
    10 Incredibles 2 BV $608,581,744 2018
    11 The Dark Knight WB $535,234,033 2008^
    12 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story BV $532,177,324 2016
    13 Beauty and the Beast (2017) BV $504,014,165 2017
    14 Finding Dory BV $486,295,561 2016
    15 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $474,544,677 1999^
    16 Star Wars Fox $460,998,007 1977^
    17 Avengers: Age of Ultron BV $459,005,868 2015
    18 The Dark Knight Rises WB $448,139,099 2012
    19 Shrek 2 DW $441,226,247 2004
    20 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $435,110,554 1982^
    21 Captain Marvel BV $426,829,839 2019
     
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    This Weekends Top 20


    1 N The Lion King (2019) BV $185,000,000 - 4,725 - $39,153 $185,000,000 - 1
    2 1 Spider-Man: Far from Home Sony $21,000,000 -53.7% 4,415 -219 $4,757 $319,659,412 $160 3
    3 2 Toy Story 4 BV $14,600,000 -30.3% 3,750 -460 $3,893 $375,533,349 - 5
    4 3 Crawl Par. $6,000,000 -50.0% 3,170 - $1,893 $23,834,810 $13.5 2
    5 5 Yesterday Uni. $5,100,000 -24.0% 2,662 -93 $1,916 $57,596,465 $26 4
    6 4 Stuber Fox $4,000,000 -51.4% 3,050 - $1,311 $16,081,864 - 2
    7 6 Aladdin (2019) BV $3,800,000 -38.4% 2,105 -452 $1,805 $340,040,714 $183 9
    8 7 Annabelle Comes Home WB (NL) $2,660,000 -52.7% 1,981 -1,228 $1,343 $66,582,201 - 4
    9 8 Midsommar A24 $1,599,155 -56.4% 1,105 -1,602 $1,447 $22,482,183 - 3
    10 9 The Secret Life of Pets 2 Uni. $1,530,000 -52.3% 1,380 -940 $1,109 $151,551,165 $80 7
    11 11 Avengers: Endgame BV $1,199,000 -43.0% 985 -458 $1,217 $854,216,193 $356 13
    12 19 The Farewell A24 $1,171,570 +229.4% 35 +31 $33,473 $1,674,997 - 2
    13 33 The Art of Self-Defense BST $1,055,658 +823.0% 550 +543 $1,919 $1,214,947 - 2
    14 12 Rocketman Par. $980,000 -41.8% 720 -612 $1,361 $93,997,371 $40 8
    15 13 John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum LG/S $660,000 -50.5% 584 -561 $1,130 $168,891,227 - 10
    16 10 Men in Black International Sony $505,000 -77.2% 554 -1,058 $912 $78,129,108 $110 6
    17 14 Super 30 Relbig. $445,674 -48.8% 189 -128 $2,358 $1,735,375 - 2
    18 27 Maiden SPC $255,715 +17.1% 84 +16 $3,044 $850,195 - 4
    19 23 Wild Rose Neon $255,000 -13.9% 195 +34 $1,308 $1,169,663 - 5
    20 18 The Last Black Man in San Francisco A24 $249,918 -30.6% 149 -58 $1,677 $3,829,483 - 7

    Courtesy www.boxofficemojo.com
     
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    It's amazing that, even with the the arrival of direct competition with 100% audience overlap in Lion King, Aladdin only dropped -38.4%. I don't like the movie at all, but even I have to admit that its box office run has been etraordinary.
     
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    It will end its domestic run with approximately a 4X multiplier. That’s amazing.
     
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    Given that the list includes only 4 movies that came out in the 20th century, it's obviously not a good indicator of all-time popularity...
     
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    I guess Lion King is going to make a billion dollars in the dead of August then seeing as literally everything is going Disney's way this summer.

    ...well except Dark Phoenix but does that count?
     
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    Right. Very impressive, and congratulations to Marvel, but the bottom line when inflation prices are concerned this doesn't mean anything except for a wildly successful movie.

    I have never understood why they don't go by number of tickets sold over how much money is made at the box office.
     
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    Interesting analysis regarding box office adjustments from box office mojo.

    ADJUSTING FOR TICKET PRICE INFLATION
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    Year Avg. Price
    2019 Est.$9.01
    2018 $9.11
    2017 $8.97
    2016 $8.65
    2015 $8.43
    2014 $8.17
    2013 $8.13
    2012 $7.96
    2011 $7.93
    2010 $7.89
    2009 $7.50
    2008 $7.18
    2007 $6.88
    2006 $6.55
    2005 $6.41
    2004 $6.21
    2003 $6.03
    2002 $5.81
    2001 $5.66
    2000 $5.39
    1999 $5.08
    1998 $4.69
    1997 $4.59
    1996 $4.42
    1995 $4.35
    1994 $4.18
    1993 $4.14
    1992 $4.15
    1991 $4.21
    1990 $4.23
    1989 $3.97
    1988 $4.11
    1987 $3.91
    1986 $3.71
    1985 $3.55
    1984 $3.36
    1983 $3.15
    1982 $2.94
    1981 $2.78
    1980 $2.69
    1979 $2.51
    1978 $2.34
    1977 $2.23
    1976 $2.13
    1975 $2.05
    1974 $1.87
    1973 $1.77
    1972 $1.70
    1971 $1.65
    1970 $1.55
    1969 $1.42
    1968 $1.31
    1967 $1.20
    1966 $1.09
    1965 $1.01
    1964 $0.93
    1963 $0.85
    1962 $0.70
    1961 $0.69
    1959 $0.51
    1956 $0.50
    1954 $0.45
    1953 $0.60
    1951 $0.53
    1949 $0.46
    1948 $0.40
    1945 $0.35
    1944 $0.32
    1943 $0.29
    1942 $0.27
    1941 $0.25
    1940 $0.24
    1939 $0.23
    1936 $0.25
    1935 $0.24
    1934 $0.23
    1929 $0.35
    1924 $0.25
    1910 $0.07
    Source: MPAA (current year est. by BOM)

    INTRODUCTION
    Users can adjust most of the charts on the site into estimated number of tickets sold or for ticket price inflation. This is a helpful tool for converting box office earnings into a standard unit of measurement to help you better judge a movie's popularity and compare it to other movies released years or decades apart. You will find this feature most insightful on charts in the all-time, genre, franchise and people sections.

    HOW TO USE THIS FEATURE
    If a chart can be adjusted for ticket price inflation, there will be a dropdown box in the upper right-hand corner of the screen labeled "Adjuster." Its default selection is "Actuals," which means the current data you see on the screen shows actual box office receipts (i.e., unadjusted dollars).

    When you click on the drop-down menu there are several options. The first is "Est. Tickets" which, if selected, will translate the figures on the page into estimated ticket sales. All other options in the dropdown box list specific years (1920s-Present Day) to translate that chart into a given year's dollars.. For example, if you looked at this weekend's box office chart and wanted to see what it might have looked like in 1975, simply select 1975 and the page will automatically refresh with the adjusted figures.

    HOW WE ADJUST FOR INFLATION / EST. TICKETS
    In most cases you can calculate the estimated number of tickets sold for a given movie by taking its box office gross and dividing it by the average ticket price at the time it was released. To adjust it for inflation (or see what it might have made in the past), you then multiply the estimated number of tickets sold by the average ticket price of the year you are converting to.

    In some cases we are able to obtain the actual number of tickets sold and we use that figure to base adjustments off of (apart from its reported gross). Usually this is the case with older movies, especially those released in the 30s and 40s (like Gone with the Wind).

    Some movies have been released several times over the decades, and we do account for this. For example, Snow White was released in 1937, but half of its lifetime gross is from re-releases in the 80s and 90s, so each of these releases is adjusted according to the year it earned its money.

    Also, December releases may earn money in two separate years. To account for this we take a movie's gross from its December opening until December 31 and adjust it according to the average ticket price that year, then adjust the remaining gross in the following year according to that year's ticket price.

    Still, many movies from the 80s to mid-90s may not have as extensive weekend box office data and many movies prior to 1980 may not have weekend data at all, so the full timeframe for when that movie made its money may not be available. In such cases (and where actual number of tickets sold is not available), we can only adjust based on its total earnings and the average ticket price for the year it was released. Still, this should be a good general guideline to gauge a movie's popularity and compare it to other movies released in different years or decades.

    Finally, we are not adjusting budgeting or marketing costs at this time, so please note that if and when you see these figures they are not adjusted for inflation.

    ACCURACY OF FIGURES
    Adjusting for ticket price inflation is not an exact science and should be used to give you a general idea of what a movie might have made if released in a different year, assuming it sold the same number of tickets.

    Since these figures are based on average ticket prices they cannot take into effect other factors that may affect a movie's overall popularity and success. Such factors include but are not limited to: increases or decreases in the population, the total number of movies in the marketplace at a given time, economic conditions that may help or hurt the entertainment industry as a whole (e.g., war), the relative price of a movie ticket to other commodities in a given year, competition with other related medium such as the invention and advancements of Television, VHS, DVD, the Internet, etc…

    Still, this method best compares "apples to apples" when examining the history of box office earnings.*
     
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    *emphasis mine.
     
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    Of course it is.

    They inherited that (and Stuber) and had nothing to do with their production, so while they are taking the writedown because they own Fox now, I doubt it matters to their strategy quite as much as, for example, Solo did.
     
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