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2004 Off-Season NBA Trades and Draft

Discussion in 'After Hours Lounge (Off Topic)' started by Lew Crippen, Jun 21, 2004.

  1. Craig S

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    Orlando dealing McGrady is just about a certainty at this point. McGrady has made it known he is not happy in Orlando and will opt out to become a free agent next year. The Magic don't want a repeat of the Shaq situation where they lost a marquee player and got nothing in return. He's gone, and Houston is looking like his most probable destination right now (although Indiana & Phoenix are also in the mix).
     
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    Orlando dealing McGrady is just about a certainty at this point. McGrady has made it known he is not happy in Orlando and will opt out to become a free agent next year. The Magic don't want a repeat of the Shaq situation where they lost a marquee player and got nothing in return. He's gone, and Houston is looking like his most probable destination right now (although Indiana & Phoenix are also in the mix).
     
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    It's Kobe's team now, if he wants it, so that means that Shaq is gone, probably to Dallas (but somehow Nowitzki, Jamison and Howard seem to me to be the foundation for the Lakericks - no D in them either), but New Jersey is another team that might bite (they'd have to do a Kenyon Martin, Kittles, Jefferson package). I think some team is going to overpay to get the Diesel. Hopefully, Kupchak will wait a while to see who gives up the most talent.
     
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    It's Kobe's team now, if he wants it, so that means that Shaq is gone, probably to Dallas (but somehow Nowitzki, Jamison and Howard seem to me to be the foundation for the Lakericks - no D in them either), but New Jersey is another team that might bite (they'd have to do a Kenyon Martin, Kittles, Jefferson package). I think some team is going to overpay to get the Diesel. Hopefully, Kupchak will wait a while to see who gives up the most talent.
     
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    Given what he's making and the new contract limitations under the collecting bargaining agreement, I can guarantee that whoever gets Shaq will overpay to get him. The man is going to make almost $30 million next season, that's a full 2/3 of the salary cap for one player alone. Shaq wants out, but I'm not sure if he leaves, just because it will cost so much to get him.

    As for the coach, to be honest I don't know much about Rudy's stance on the work ethics of his players, but what LA needs is a Larry Brown or Greg Popovich style coach on discipline. The first thing that coach needs to do is kick some ass as far as discipline on that team goes, and get some honest to God teamwork going. Bryant, especially, needs someone who will ride his ass like there's no tomorrow, and see if his selfishness can be broken. If that's what Rudy brings to the table, then the Lakers need him and need him yesterday. As good a coach as Jackson is, and there aren't many in the history of the NBA better, he definitely let them hang to long to try to work things out for themselves. That's a mistake their new coach can't afford to make.
     
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    Given what he's making and the new contract limitations under the collecting bargaining agreement, I can guarantee that whoever gets Shaq will overpay to get him. The man is going to make almost $30 million next season, that's a full 2/3 of the salary cap for one player alone. Shaq wants out, but I'm not sure if he leaves, just because it will cost so much to get him.

    As for the coach, to be honest I don't know much about Rudy's stance on the work ethics of his players, but what LA needs is a Larry Brown or Greg Popovich style coach on discipline. The first thing that coach needs to do is kick some ass as far as discipline on that team goes, and get some honest to God teamwork going. Bryant, especially, needs someone who will ride his ass like there's no tomorrow, and see if his selfishness can be broken. If that's what Rudy brings to the table, then the Lakers need him and need him yesterday. As good a coach as Jackson is, and there aren't many in the history of the NBA better, he definitely let them hang to long to try to work things out for themselves. That's a mistake their new coach can't afford to make.
     
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    I agree with Chris, Phil ran out of gas with the Lakers. He is as far from an in-your-face disciplinarian as you can get, which is why Shaq loves him and Kobe grew tired of him. I know Rockets fans can educate us further on this, but to me, Rudy seems more like Phil than either Brown or Pop. On the Rocket tip, this T-Mac to Houston idea is interesting. Could be that Houston has the makings of a potential Shaq-Kobe pairing, but if they get rid of Francis, Mobley and Cato, they're looking awfully thin elsewhere.
     
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    A senior sporting news writer was on I, Max today and basically said that if Rudy T became coach of the Lakers that Kobe would eat him for lunch.

    The writer also said that Kobe was a selfish player, a baby, not a team guy, an ego maniac, and it was Kobe's attitude that wore Phil Jackson out. I also read an article on ESPN.com today that basically said that people way high up in the Laker organization convinced Shaq to be the bigger man and just ignore Kobe's insults...do the coorperate thing basically.

    I'm a Laker fan, and if Kobe is the one left on this team, I may hate the best player on my favorite team which is odd for me.
     
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    A senior sporting news writer was on I, Max today and basically said that if Rudy T became coach of the Lakers that Kobe would eat him for lunch.

    The writer also said that Kobe was a selfish player, a baby, not a team guy, an ego maniac, and it was Kobe's attitude that wore Phil Jackson out. I also read an article on ESPN.com today that basically said that people way high up in the Laker organization convinced Shaq to be the bigger man and just ignore Kobe's insults...do the coorperate thing basically.

    I'm a Laker fan, and if Kobe is the one left on this team, I may hate the best player on my favorite team which is odd for me.
     
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    The rep Rudy T always had in Houston was that he is a player's coach. Guys generally love playing for him, and he demonstrated a knack for taming raging egos and helping them get along. It's often forgotten that 2 years prior to Houston's first title, Dream was THIS close to forcing a trade out of Houston. He was frustrated that the team wasn't going anywhere (sound familiar, T-Mac??). But the problem was that he was trying to do everything himself. When Rudy took over the team in the middle of the 92-93 season, he convinced Olajuwon to trust his teammates. The result was a much deeper trip into the 93 playoffs than was expected, then a 15-game winning streak to kick off the 93 season, and finally 2 titles.

    Rudy's style worked for veterans, but younger players often need more of a taskmaster, and that's the conventional wisdom as to why a promising young Rockets squad underperformed during his final 3 years with the team.

    So it's my guess that the Lakers are looking at Rudy to bring his peacemaking skills to the L.A. soap opera. If Kobe is indeed the person that Casey describes, and a disciplinarian is what is needed, well, Rudy is NOT a good match. Of course, if Kobe IS the baby described above, it increases the likelihood that he's guilty of the crime he's charged with, in which case I hope the only hoops he'll be playing will be in a prison yard.

    As a Rockets fan of almost a quarter-century, the thought of Rudy T going to LA is a little hard to get used to. If it happens, we'll wish him all the luck in the world - at least for 78 of the 82 games. [​IMG]
     
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    The rep Rudy T always had in Houston was that he is a player's coach. Guys generally love playing for him, and he demonstrated a knack for taming raging egos and helping them get along. It's often forgotten that 2 years prior to Houston's first title, Dream was THIS close to forcing a trade out of Houston. He was frustrated that the team wasn't going anywhere (sound familiar, T-Mac??). But the problem was that he was trying to do everything himself. When Rudy took over the team in the middle of the 92-93 season, he convinced Olajuwon to trust his teammates. The result was a much deeper trip into the 93 playoffs than was expected, then a 15-game winning streak to kick off the 93 season, and finally 2 titles.

    Rudy's style worked for veterans, but younger players often need more of a taskmaster, and that's the conventional wisdom as to why a promising young Rockets squad underperformed during his final 3 years with the team.

    So it's my guess that the Lakers are looking at Rudy to bring his peacemaking skills to the L.A. soap opera. If Kobe is indeed the person that Casey describes, and a disciplinarian is what is needed, well, Rudy is NOT a good match. Of course, if Kobe IS the baby described above, it increases the likelihood that he's guilty of the crime he's charged with, in which case I hope the only hoops he'll be playing will be in a prison yard.

    As a Rockets fan of almost a quarter-century, the thought of Rudy T going to LA is a little hard to get used to. If it happens, we'll wish him all the luck in the world - at least for 78 of the 82 games. [​IMG]
     
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    LOL, you fell hook, line, and sinker for Charley Rosen? That guy has been writing articles bashing Kobe for quite a few years now. He used to write for Page 2 at ESPN, before they thankfully got rid of him. If I had a nickel for everytime he called Kobe "selfish," well I'd have a whole lot of nickels [​IMG].

    I have no idea why you've completely turned your opinion on Kobe lately. The Lakers building around him is clearly the right move. Shaq only has a few more years left and he'll never play a full 82 games again. If the Lakers can get some good young talent out of the deal with Shaq, they'll be set for years to come. It's better to start the rebuilding process now, instead of relenting to Shaq's demands for a 3 year / $108 million extension that would cripple the franchise. The Lakers showed how much they were lacking youth and athleticism in the Finals, and a potential trade involving Shaq could remedy that situation.
     
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    LOL, you fell hook, line, and sinker for Charley Rosen? That guy has been writing articles bashing Kobe for quite a few years now. He used to write for Page 2 at ESPN, before they thankfully got rid of him. If I had a nickel for everytime he called Kobe "selfish," well I'd have a whole lot of nickels [​IMG].

    I have no idea why you've completely turned your opinion on Kobe lately. The Lakers building around him is clearly the right move. Shaq only has a few more years left and he'll never play a full 82 games again. If the Lakers can get some good young talent out of the deal with Shaq, they'll be set for years to come. It's better to start the rebuilding process now, instead of relenting to Shaq's demands for a 3 year / $108 million extension that would cripple the franchise. The Lakers showed how much they were lacking youth and athleticism in the Finals, and a potential trade involving Shaq could remedy that situation.
     
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    I think trading for Shaq and giving up a sufficient amount of proven players of Dirk's caliber isn't likely to happen. While Shaq may arguably be the best center in the game today, he has gotten older and unless my eyes deceive me, heavier which can't bode well for his being considered durable. The playoffs and the past couple of seasons, at least to me, exposed that Shaq has gotten slower and he's not suited for optimum performance unless he gets sufficient rest. The Wallaces I think demonstrated that very convincingly by outrebounding him. Any team that trades for him is going to be gambling to be in the NBA championship game and I just don't like the odds. In ways, it reminds me of when Dallas traded Hershel Walker to the Vikings and got back 5 players plus draft picks. I'd say Dallas made out better.
     
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    I think trading for Shaq and giving up a sufficient amount of proven players of Dirk's caliber isn't likely to happen. While Shaq may arguably be the best center in the game today, he has gotten older and unless my eyes deceive me, heavier which can't bode well for his being considered durable. The playoffs and the past couple of seasons, at least to me, exposed that Shaq has gotten slower and he's not suited for optimum performance unless he gets sufficient rest. The Wallaces I think demonstrated that very convincingly by outrebounding him. Any team that trades for him is going to be gambling to be in the NBA championship game and I just don't like the odds. In ways, it reminds me of when Dallas traded Hershel Walker to the Vikings and got back 5 players plus draft picks. I'd say Dallas made out better.
     
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    I heard that the Knicks are a strong possibility.

    BTW, Howard has the makings of a decent defensive player. He looked reasonably good last year as a rookie on a team that did not emphasize that aspect of the game. Dirk will struggle to be average, defensively.
     
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    I heard that the Knicks are a strong possibility.

    BTW, Howard has the makings of a decent defensive player. He looked reasonably good last year as a rookie on a team that did not emphasize that aspect of the game. Dirk will struggle to be average, defensively.
     
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    The only way the Knicks are involved is if another team is in the mix. The Knicks have absolutely nothing the Lakers need or want.
     

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