2002 Elite vs non-Elite Pioneer RPTV

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  1. Will

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    Anybody compared a year 2002 Pioneer Elite RPTV
    to the year 2002 non-Elite Pioneers? Other than
    the cabinet on the Elites, did you see anything
    to justify its high price, compared to non-Elites.
    Both do 480p, 1080i, 3:2 pulldown, and fix the lock
    on full problem. The line doubler on either is supposedly
    better than the doubler on 2001 Pioneer Elites, and
    2001 line doublers are quite good.
     
  2. Christian_S

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    I own the 2002 Non-Elite 64 inch. I have since seen the new 2002 Elite but only in the 53 inch. After seeing it at a reputable store, I must say I am very excited about my purchase. I really could not see any drastic difference in picture. The Elite had been Calibrated via a VE or Avia disc. I have run VE through my TV to help calibrate as well. I will be having a full blown calibration by Michael TLV in November. Cost of my plus my calibration costs are still 3k under the price of the elite.
     
  3. Will

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    Christian,
    Before 2002 the non-Elites had poor line doublers.
    But all that's changed in the 2002 non-Elites.
    An Elite's URUSHI cabinet finish looks quite nice.
    I just don't know if an Elite is worth the very high
    price over a 2002 non-Elite.
     
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    The line doubler in the new non-elites are def. improved, I believe just as good as the 2001 Elites. The Urishi cabinet is nice, no doubt, but not worth the extra bucks unless you have $$$$ to burn.
     
  5. Lewis Besze

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    What's the current model number on the Pioneer 53" TV?
    Thanks!
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    SD-533-HD5
     
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    Thanks!
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  8. Will

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    Has anyone who has watched both a 2002 Elite and a
    2002 Pioneer non-Elite decided to get an Elite?
    Seems almost everyone who has posted, gets a non-Elite.
    Just wondering if anyone's buying an Elite....
     
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    I haven't talked to any dealers that said they actually have the new elites in stock (and I had to do quite a bit of searching to find a dealer that had the 533 in stock). I've seen the "in-stock" label on several internet sites for the elite, but take that with a grain of salt. There are probably a few out there...
    Plus, after seeing the great picture on the non-elite, it's hard to imagine a much better picture (well, one worth 1-2k more, anyway). The cabinet, while nice, is not why I bought the 533, and certainly wouldn't be worth the price premium for the elite, imho.
     
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    Hello:
    I've seen the pro-h20hd at my local shop(wilshire audio/video in T.O.,Calif.)and man does t look sweet. HDTV is absolutely stunning, the Analog cable looks fantastic, not dvd quality, but it does blow all others away.
    Actually I was there at the shop looking for a 55" mitsubishi plat.plus for my father......his first upgrade since a 12-year old 32" sony xbr, but once he saw the pioneer pro-520hd he was in aww. We have depth limitations for his hometheater which is only 25 1/2" and the pioneer elite they had there worked perfect. Too bad they didn't carry the non-elite series.....so I could make a side by side comparison.
    After a couple of weeks on researching(calling pioneer/internet threads/dealers) the pros and cons......on the 2002 elite series vs. the 2002 non-elite I've found the following differences between the two.......
    1.).52mm screen pitch size vs. non-elite .72 mm
    2.)Elite has newer, quicker 2/3 pure cinema II while non-elite has pure cinema I
    3.)Elite has new 4 element lens system
    4.)Elite has triple dynamic focus circuit vs. non-elite's dual dynamic focus circuit
    5.)Elite calls out that it has chromatically pure red & green lens vs. non's pure red & green lens...hmmmm???
    6.)Elite model has adjustable scan velocity modulation for all inputs
    7.)Elite has its own distinctive protective screen
    8.)Elite has a 5-step selectable color temp. vs. non-elite's 3-step selectable color temp.
    9.)2-year warranty vs. 1-year warranty on parts & labor
    10.) The urushi finish and something odd...the remote signals are fed through the screen, not an IR port on the t.v.
    11.) And according to many elite dealers....."superb quality control....better selection of parts & components, the best of the best in put into the elite series"
    There you go.......seems like you get a few more convienences with elite and other tweeking features along with a finer pitch screen. I'll be making the choice with my father in the next week or so......So what does everyone else think about the elite vs. non-elite?
    Jonathan
    p.s. sorry for the long write-up.....oops.
    pro-520hd
    http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/Pi...0~5020,00.html
    sd-533-hd5
    http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/Pi...2,2355,00.html
     
  11. Christian_S

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    Just for clarification...
    The Non-Elite 64 inch...
    -Has the new 4 element lens
    -Chromatically pure red and green lens
    -Adjustable SVM on all inputs
    The rest of the points in the previous post are correct. I have heard that in the 53 inch, Pioneer, uses the 5 element lens because they had so many left and will eventually go to the 4 element.
     
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    Going by Christian's above post, I guess this comes back to what Will posed- Is the cabinet & lenticular pitch the major difference between 64" Pioneer and Elite 720??
    I presume 2002 Pioneer does not lock in to progressive mode.
    I guess for the $$, it is going to be a toss up between Pioneer and Toshiba. Mits is ruled out due to its poor doubler.
    Cheers,
    Kishore
     
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    The 2002 does not lock into full when fed a progressive signal.
     
  14. Will

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    In my area, stores like Ken Cranes have the Pioneer
    Elite 520, 620 and 720 in stock and actually
    on display in the stores. And other stores, like Best
    Buy have the Pioneer non-Elite 533HD5 and 643HD5
    in stock, but just the 533HD5 on display.
    My local Best Buy won't display the 643HD5 because
    they say, they can only display so many RPTV sets
    in each store.
    So far, I haven't found a local store that has
    both the Pioneer Elite and the Pioneer non-Elite
    on display, so I haven't been able to do a real
    side-by-side comparison. Some of the local specialty
    stores that carry one, say they can get the other,
    and deliver it, if someone wished to place an order.
     
  15. Will

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    bump
    [Edited last by Will on November 13, 2001 at 10:15 PM]
     
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