2.35 : 1 on a 16:9 set (1 Viewer)

[Jon Sciabica]

I have properly adjusted contrast and brightness on my Hitachi 51swx20b (my first RPTV) and am wondering if I should worry about watching too many 2.35 : 1 movies? Also can a 3 1/2 hour movie like the extended LOTR dvd cause problem with black bars on top and bottom?

What do folks around here do with 2.35 : 1 movies? Black bars or Zoom?

 

[BruceSpielbauer]

>>> I have properly adjusted contrast and brightness on my Hitachi 51swx20b (my first RPTV) and am wondering if I should worry about watching too many 2.35 : 1 movies? Also can a 3 1/2 hour movie like the extended LOTR dvd cause problem with black bars on top and bottom? What do folks around here do with 2.35 : 1 movies? Black bars or Zoom?

 

[CameronS]

Wow. I would never, ever, alter or zoom a 2.35:1 movie. That's what I got a 16:9 set for.

If you have your set properly calibrated, you shouldn't have any burn in problems from watching too many 2.35:1 movies. I never have, but your mileage may vary.

 

[Michael Reuben]

The above strategy will probably offend some who are steadfastly faithful to the original aspect ratio.

That's a fairly safe bet, given the official mission statement of HTF.

M.

 

[Craig]

I've had a widescreen RPTV for almost 3 years. I'm sure I've watched several hundred 2.35:1 movies at this point and I haven't noticed any ill effects. I don't have my contrast set super low either, it's in the 38-40 range depending on the source. My advice is to not worry about it. Adjust your contrast and brightness down to a reasonable level and enjoy your RPTV.

 

[Michael TLV]

Greetings

I have yet to see any TV out there suffer from CRT burn in due to DVD w/s bars. None ... Nadda ... nothing.

Set up your TV properly with AVIA/VE ... nothing to worry about. If you watch 100% 2.35:1 material ... then what do you care?

Burn in due to 16:9 squeeze modes on 4:3 TV's is another matter though. I have seen crt burn in as a result of this type of use even with so called proper AVIA/VE set up.

Why? Because they used AVIA to set up the 4:3 mode and not the 16:9 mode. They are different and the 16:9 mode should be the one that takes precedent here.

Regards

 

[Brent Hutto]

Michael,

As you described, I calibrated my 36XBR800 using Avia in 4:3 mode, by default. So would you recommend manually setting my 36XBR800 to squeeze mode and then going through the Avia calibration again? That thought had not occured to me. Is it because the same amount of cathode rays are being focused into 3/4 of the phosphor area? So you might expect the white level to become higher because of that concentration, right?

Last night I was watching Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Right before the end credits there's a fast right-to-left pan across a star field. I noticed that the stars were leaving little trails behind them on my screen. I did a still frame and there were no trails. So that was phosphor decay, which I suppose could be a sign of those maximum-white star images driving my CRT too hard.

 

[Michael TLV]

Greetings

Yes ... the 16:9 mode is typically too bright / contrast too high ...

Set it up in the 16:9 mode when possible. Your 4:3 will be dimmer as a result but sacrifices have to be made sometimes ...

Or just pump up the brightness for 4:3 material when needed.

Regards

 

[Brent Hutto]

Or I could calibrate the "Pro" mode for 16:9 and the "Movie" mode for 4:3 and change modes depending on program material. Except for watching The Simpsons on DVD (which is plenty bright anyway), almost everything we watch is 16:9 enhanced anyway. No great loss if I optimize for pseudo-widescreen.

Before I try using the "Movie" mode, though, I need to get a service manual from Sony. There's something about "Pro" and "Movie" that are different beyond the user picture controls. By that I mean that I haven't been able to duplicate a calibration done in "Pro" mode by starting over and doing it in "Movie" mode.

 

[jeff lam]

People on this forum worry way too much about burn in. Just about every thread asks a question about burn in and if those black bars would be a problem. Fact is, if the contrast and brightness is set correctly there will not be any problems. I think we should make a "Burn In" thread and stick it to the top so all questions can be answered in one thread instead of every other thread posted. Just a thought...

 

[Jon Sciabica]

Thanks for all the replies. I know this question gets asked a lot, and I have read a lot about it. Yet I just spent $3000 on a TV, and couldn't help worrying while watching LOTR, kinda ruins the experience. Your comments have helped put my mind at ease.

I also just wanted to know how people are watching 2.35:1 movies.

Does anyone who watches a lot of 2.35 movies just run 1.85 movies and not watch them to help the situation?

Jon

 

[Todd_B]

Like other's have said, burn-in shouldn't be a concern.
If you are worried about looking at those 'black bars' on 2.35 movies then just make some mattes.
..also if you are still counting, I never zoom 2.35 films.
Todd B

 

[Steve Schaffer]

John,
I watched hundreds of widescreen dvds on my previous analog 4/3 analog rptv for over 2 years with no sign of burn in.

With my current nearly year old widescreen I never zoom 2:35 movies, nor do I stretch 1:33 ones--no burn in.

I do stretch the news in the morning as well as casual stuff like E news daily and such, so my set gets a bit of variance. I also catch myself watching stuff on HDNet a lot just cause it looks so damn pretty--and it's all 16/9 native.

 

[Lew Crippen]

Add another to the non-zoom count.

 

[Tom Boucher]

One qustion/comment on the burn in issue with the big TVs.

Have any of you purchased those 'no questions asked extended warranties' from Sears and called in to get the burn in fixed? After reading the warranty offering very carefully, I find no mention that something like that wouldn't be covered.

Granted, most people probably buy the top-o-the-line model that places like Sears don't offer, but for those of us who didn't see a $600 difference and are a little concerned about permanent logos on the screen, is this a solution?

Thanks

Tom

 

[Travis Braddy]

I have a burn-in related question...

My new Sony 34XBR800 is coming in tomorrow, and I don't mind zooming casual 4:3 material over cable, but I still like watching my 4:3 dvds at their natural ratio, do direct view TVs have many issues with burn in? I know it can happen, but how much of a risk am I taking if I calibrate the TV properly (I keep brightness and contrast pretty low)? I figure my usage ratio will be a bit like this - 70% 16:9/2:35:1 and about 30% in native 4:3.

I guess that would also answer my own questions about burn-in at the 2.35:1 ratio, I never zoom movies and I never plan on doing so.

 

[Dmitry]

Travis, if your TV is calibrated properly, you shouldn't run a risk of burn-in. Direct view TVs are also succeptible to burn in, but proper calibration virtually eliminates the risk.

 

[Scott Merryfield]

Does anyone who watches a lot of 2.35 movies just run 1.85 movies and not watch them to help the situation?

Not here. I watch whatever titles I'm in the mood for, regardless of the material's aspect ratio. I've owned a 16x9 RPTV for over 20 months (it's ISF calibrated), and have no problem with burn-in of either 2.35:1 or 1.33:1 material. I always use the DVD player-generated black side bars for 1.33:1 material, not the gray side bars generated by the TV. Still no problems.

As others have said in this thread, if the TV is properly calibrated, burn-in should not be a concern under normal use. Just don't abuse the set by leaving a static image with black bars on 24 hours per day (or something insane like that).