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1917 (2019)

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  1. Reggie W

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    I have to admit I absolutely loved the camera work and photography in this film, I thought it was some of the most wonderful handheld work I have ever seen and if they could give an award just for camera operation I would give it to this film. If Deakins and his team don't get an Oscar for this it will be utterly absurd.

    I watched The Revenant again last month, and I confess I love the picture, but there is handheld work in the film I was not so crazy about. There are also scenes where water and blood spatter onto the camera lens making it all too obvious we are watching a movie particularly at the climax of the film...this I was not crazy about at all.

    However, in 1917 I thought the photography was utter perfection.
     
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    Yes, the cameras they used were new, I believe when they first looked at them they were some sort of prototype. I think they were fantastic and Deakins has said he loved them. They allowed all that movement through tight spaces (the cameras are small) and without any shaky cam nonsense nor the odd motion sickness factor kicking in. You could always in a very Kubrickesque manner clearly see everything that was happening. I loved this as action scenes, even in big effects films, have become so spastic it is ridiculous.

    Here no matter what was going on the images were stunning and drop dead gorgeous.

    Due to the size of the camera handheld operators could follow actors easily and then when there was some sort of obstacle, a trench wall to go over, water, they could pass off the camera onto a crane seamlessly so you could not tell it had happened. I mean they obviously planned out the camera movements to the split second.

    There were a couple obvious CGI sequences, jumping into the water as Tino mentioned, and the plane sequence obviously but I mean most of the CGI to hide cuts does not even last a second when it happens. This is why I said this is not a picture loaded with CGI. They used it where they had to but in no way to excess. I think the sheer perfection of the photography in the film tricks people into thinking they must be using computers to achieve it.
     
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    I realized why I assumed there was "tons" of CGI in this movie was because it was nominated for Best Visual Effects. So no, there weren't giant CGI monsters and spaceships, the movie likely had extensive CGI touch ups.
     
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    Between the quality of work in 1917 and that he famously hasn't won before, I think Deakins is a lock this year.
     
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    He won for Blade Runner 2049.
     
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    I'll be darned. Screw it, the movie looks great- give him another one. :)
     
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    Oh he will win. 100%
     
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    I am reasonably sure that Deakins will win for 1917, but I wouldn't count out Robert Richardson. He has won the Academy Award for Best Cinematography three times in his career.

    - Walter.
     
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    I was listening to the Slash Filmcast and according to some making of, no take in the movie was longer than three and a half minutes. So there is definitely a "ton" of CGI in this movie, it's just (as Mendes describes it), "invisible CGI". Enough CGI to warrant a visual effects nod.

    Sorry to relitigate, but... You understand.
     
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    Sam Mendes mentioned in an interview that the longest take took about eleven minutes.
     
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    Incorrect.
     
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    Sure, I don't have any issue with what you are saying but I stick by the idea that this is not a picture with a ton of CGI. Yes, there are things done to hide the cuts, not all of these are CGI and Mendes and Deakins say they used a variety of methods to do it. Also if you have a look at how they shot this the production design is fantastic. The actors are moving through locations and sets that are really there...not computer generated. It is truly fantastic work. I think the cameras and their ability to choreograph all the movements through the locations and sets is the key to how they make the film look the way it does. CGI is a much more minor tool here. Have a look at this video that's a bit of a making of and you see the cameras and how they do the pass offs and continue the constant movement...pretty awesome I thought...

    EDIT: Oops, I should have pointed out don't watch this video unless you have seen the film.

     
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    My local river (The Tees) was used for the water shots - both the waterfalls and gorge near Low Force in Upper Teesdale and the Canoe Slalom at Stockton. CGI was certainly used to 'hide' the canoe slalom surroundings and match them with the earlier 'real' shots in the river! (You can see a brief section of the concrete banks in the 'making of' video above ...)

    I gave up looking for transitions between shots in the film, but these water/woodland church sections had some obvious changes in landscape that could only have been put together in an edit - e.g. the river shots are on grey igneous dolerite rock, the trenches immediately beyond the wood are in chalk - not geologically possible!
     
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    And usually “tons of cgi” conjures up images of superhero films and science fiction epics.

    Certainly not applicable here in that vein.
     
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    Another big night for 1917 last night at the BAFTAS ahead of its sure major Oscar wins next weekend.

    It won seven BAFTAS including Best Director and Best Picture.
     
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    Btw, for anyone interested, here is the NDA I had to sign when I saw the first 1917 screening in September of last year.


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    Deakins not winning would be the upset of the year.
     
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    Zero chance of that happening.
     
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    So, here's a video of Mr. Deakins talking about the cameras used to shoot this picture and some great footage of his team and those cameras in action...

     
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