1080i on dvd players?

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  1. Ron_L

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    is there currently a dvd player made that supports this format?
     
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    The Samsung HD-1000 is supposed to upconvert 480i to either 720p or 1080i, but I'm not sure that it's actually been released. Also, I believe Samsung was required to include a feature that disables the upconversion if the machine detects a copy-protected DVD, which effectively eliminates the feature for all studio-released DVDs.

    http://www.samsung.com/Products/DVDP...DVD_HD1000.htm

    M.
     
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    The Bravo D1 will upconvert to 1080i the same as the Samsung, however this is via their DVI port only.
     
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    damn...any word on the next toshiba dvd players doing this?
     
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    Samsung ships the HD1000 with only the ability to do 480p. In this country as far as I know only a very small number of players have been sold by one dealer (which has an exclusive) which does a patch to enable the unit to output via its switch on the back to to 1080i or 720p (via its component outs - no DVI). The Samsung HD931 (just released)does the upconversion via its DVI output.
     
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    HD1000 looks like an expensive unit....any idea on the price on one of those?
     
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    There is word about a $300 Momitsu player that also outputs 720p/1080i upconverted video. And it sounds like it does this via component output also, not just DVI.

    Basically, you shouldn't expect any major player makers to come out w/ the upconversion feature via component output.

    _Man_
     
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    Why not?

    that's really stupid.
     
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    The HD1000 is $1,500. It weighs about 37.5 lbs and it also an excellent DVD-A player. I would not expect to see more players of this nature that upsample via the component outs. I believe that the Samsung HD931 which will upsample via DVI is $350 list and is supposed to include DVD-A as well. The Bravo D1 player is $200.
     
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    Lots of info on this at avsforum.com.

    my understanding is that the player does both 720p and 1080i but only via the DVI port. This was a way to keep the copyright problems off of there backs.

    Old rumors claimed the player would be both DVD-A and/or SACD capable, it is not. Priceline should be around $399.

    It sounds like it uses the same upconversion components as their DPL sets so this should be damn good, as long as you have a DVI input and your TV can handle 720p or 1080i natively.
     
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    The picture quality from this player on my HS10 was indeed superb. It's similar to what I got from using my Dell laptop as a dvd player. The picture looked like the upconvert movies I've seen on Showtime and HBO hdtv. In some cases it's even better since the picture did not appear soft at all.

    Colors were bright and vivid, and blacks and shadows improved when compared to my Panasonic RP82. The Panny still holds its own by the Bravo so I'll be keeping it.

    Personally I preferred the 720p output on the player. I thought that there was a little more detail than 1080i. YMMV. I liked the fact that I could easily change from 480P to 720P to 1080i by simply pressing a button on the remote. However, this remote is quite possible the worst I've ever used. It would be impossible to use in the dimly light room. Thankfully I have a Pronto.

    I originally connected the audio via coax and saw the lip sync problem that has been discussed. Changing to optical quickly solved that problem.

    I was going to get the Samsung 931 but decided to get the Bravo instead. I believe that spending $200 for this player and $34 for a 5m DVI-D dual link cable I found locally is a no brainer if you are looking to improve your picture quality with the Sony HS10.

    Michael.
     
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    I got only component...no DVI. I think I'll stick to the toshiba's then.
     
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    I tried the Samsung on my 36" HD ready Sony XBR WEGA and it gave me a beautiful snow scene on 1080i, but did send information for 720p and 480p. Am I using the wrong cable? I used a DVI cable that came with my flat panel monitor. It has one blade, and a total of 12 pins with 6 pins missing in the middle. Do I need a DVI-D cable to get 1080i?
     
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    From what I understand, the HD-931 is shipped w/o active DVD-A but has the capability to be upgraded in the future.
     
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    I've got an HD-931 hooked up and playing on my showroom floor at present, and can answer a couple questions about it.

    1.) DVD Audio - Yes, in a very limited capacity. Namely, two channel analog output instead of 6. It reads the discs, but only has stereo analog out or optical digital out. So I wouldn't really suggest this player as a DVD audio option, unless you want questionable functionality and downsampling.

    2.) Picture quality - Certainly good, but nothing breathtaking. On an immediate level, 720p and 1080i via DVI look as good as 480p via component video from a good quality player (Denon or Panasonic). To those who are inclined to scrutinize minor details, the DVI upconverted signal has some advantages. They are not as pronounced as I was expecting, and I'm not entirely sure I'll be taking one of these players home for these minor improvements alone. I can best describe it as selective enhancement. In certain scenes of reference quality DVDs, some aspects of the image seem to benefit, while some do not. Still others appear to be degraded. Very small objects such as hairs and blades of grass are more defined, while areas that are supposed to be in soft focus or out of focus altogether seem rather odd... a blend of grain and posterization. Keep in mind that these observations were made using a 57inch UWX20B that has not been ISF calibrated. I will likely test it on my own 65SWX20B set at a later date. If there's any improvement, I'll certainly share the details.
     

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