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I think Hyams did aspire beyond simply action movies. McLaglen didn't and couldn't (lack of taste, directorial vision and visual artistry.) For Hyams, Outland and 2010 (especially) aspire to more (in 2010s case a lot more.) His films never really pay off though but at least they have their...

What all those films have in common is that they were not directed by competent studio hacks but by film artists of a very high order! Let's not overlook Don Siegel's films - The Killers, Coogan's Bluff and Charley Varrick which look like ... Don Siegel films! Siegel was a master and is...

Agree 1000%.

I definitely said it was a little harsh. I'm sure it has its moments.

and I forgot Aldrich.

John Ford at his best - and there was a shit ton of best - was in a class by himself. A visual poet and a director of such vision and complexity that it's almost silly to bring him up here. I don't think I've seen a McLaglen film that is anything above competent. He's like Guy Hamilton level of...