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I said it earlier, but it's simply not enough anymore to properly review a 4K HDR disc without mentioning the gear you are using to make that evaluation. The simple days of a DIY (using a calibration pattern disc) or ISF calibration to Rec.709, 100nits, and HD for Blu-ray (or Rec.601 for DVD)...

Or you one can be a dope like me and buy the 4K and the Blu-ray, throw out both color versions, and put the 4K and Blu-ray in the same case. 2x the money gets you no color version! ;) On a more serious note, I love having all the movies online in iTunes as well, as it makes it less likely for...

I don't think there's anything clear TBH, but I'll try to sum it up, as this thread is going in all sorts of directions. The issues reported fall into two categories: 1. 2019 4K UHD having less shadow detail than the 2009 Blu-ray. Initially reported by Mr. Harris, but not a unanimous...

"Avengers: Endgame" in 4K UHD with a Martin Scorsese commentary track ;)

That can be due to he HDR as we discussed a few posts/pages back, but yeah, hard to say with certainty. When you get the Blu-ray, I'm curious to your thoughts, as that should provide some answers as it pertains to the master.

I was asking the setup, because for 4K HDR is absolutely matters. And it also matters when splitting hairs IMHO over a 1080p Blu-ray's fine grain or lack of "true" grain strength compared to a 16mm print or a 35mm nitrate. Is one looking on a 10ft screen via a projector? A 55" OLED? It matters...

In my evaluation post I said the following: “The new Blu-ray is (as expected) a major improvement over the 2009 one. It has better detail, looks more like film, grain is visible, doesn't have that ugly DNR and EE applied to it that the 2009 version did, etc. It also has better shadow detail...

See my posts in this thread. I’ve verified it and disagree with his findings.

Possibly, it depends, who knows? In theory, HDR's higher contrast ratio should also affect the grain seen. Without having a 4K NOHDR to compare with, it's impossible to know what's in the 4K master and what's in the HDR grading. HDR should stand for High Degree of Research :)

The new Blu is very nice in this aspect. Looks as I said before "filmic". The old one was DNR'd on delivery ;)

Yes, I'm always hoping for a new and good/proper Blu-ray to be included with a new 4K UHD disc. Especially if it's a remaster, restoration, etc.

It's is a mess, but I like to think we are the type of people that sort of embrace the bleeding edge, because even with its pitfalls and growing pains, when it works, it's better than anything out there in terms of image quality. Most of my films are Blu-rays, and my system is perfectly...

Oh! I remember reading a thread about the 9000 that you wrote and I just assumed that’s what you were using. It’s easy to turn off DV on the Panasonic. Not possible on the Oppo?

Did you try turning off Dolby Vision in the Panasonic 9000 menu and then seeing how it compares to the HDR10?

The caps-o-holic site is good to spot only if the 4K has real improvement in detail compared to BD, not for checking colors, brightness, contrast levels, etc., as they are converted to SDR and you are then also looking at them on an SDR computer monitor.

Curious to hear your thoughts once you look at the new BD.

I do wish all reviewers would start to add a note to their reviews about the equipment they are using for their evaluation, because for 4K UHD discs, it’s not enough anymore to just say “ISF calibrated”, like it used to be for BT.601 or BT.709 (DVD and Blu-ray). Things are a lot more...

Ha. Yeah, not sure if OliverK's question was serious or not now. If it was, I believe the color Blu-ray with the 4K is the same as the 2009 color Blu-ray.

Perhaps! I thought the question was in jest! So my reply was the same! I didn't even bother to put the color Blu-rays in the player. In fact, now that I have the 4K and the new Blu-ray, I will put the new Blu-ray with the 4K and throw out both color discs.

I can say with 100% certainty that it actually looks better. I first set my saturation to 0, and it looked the same. Then I realized my mistake. So I set the saturation to -100 and of course now it looks 11x better!

OK, so here are my findings after evaluating all 3 above mentioned discs earlier this evening and going back and forth many times to be sure all settings were correct, identical frames were matched, etc. I have two Panasonic UB820 players connected to separate HDMI inputs on a LG 65C8 OLED...

It matters in terms of the inability to calibrate a display to a standard. Black levels, white levels, and of course colors can be all over the place. It's all subjective. While one release may look good to someone with a certain display, it may look awful to another on another display. So...

When the disc is authored in HDR you are relying on the player or display device to convert from HDR -> SDR, which is hardly ideal. The conversions are never very good and the colors from REC.2020 to REC.709 suffer as well. I *wish* HDR was an option that could be easily turned on or off, but...

I mean of course you can do whatever changes your display will allow, but realize they are completely subjective. There is a lot of stuff out there to read about this, but Steve from Light Illusion, has one of the better articles IMHO if you're interested. I don't want to get this thread off...

I was replying to Trancas’ post, where he mentioned adjusting brightness and gamma. And believe it or not, people do make these changes on displays, even calibration “experts”, when the reality is it causes problems.

It’s a Wonderful Life but a not so wonderful 4K HDR transfer - this should be the review title :)

I agree, and this is the ideal to strive for. There are some scenes in the 4K UHD of "Schindler's List" where the whites are so bright (shirt colors, chrome on car, etc.), that it looks tacky unfortunately - it stands out too much and draws attention. And I'm on an OLED, which can do way lower...

Yes, but it's a separate purchase. Because the they included the colorized version with the 4K, the new Blu-ray is a separate 2 disc set.

In an ideal world, we would have 4K SDR discs, until technology catches up to properly display the REC.2020 colorspace and the nits in the 4K UHD discs. Right now, every display is different and shows things differently - colors are different as they cannot be calibrated, EOTF curves are...

I'm curious if the new Blu-ray from the same 4K master, but in BT.709 / SDR, has the same issue (which would mean it's an issue with the master, not HDR), or if REC.2020 / HDR strikes its ugly head again. I'm torn on every 4K UHD release between the higher resolution offered vs...