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Yeah, it'll be shocking if it doesn't end up with at least a Best Picture and a Best Director nomination in the major categories. It'll be funny to see all the usual people here saying that the original had more Oscar nominations.

I assume we'll hear something in the next few weeks because I'm sure the disc will be out by March at the latest.

nevermind. it's pointless

The important difference is that you've actually seen the movie and state your thoughts on it rather than just endlessly knocking the remake without even having seen it. Love or hate the remake, I can't be the only one to think endless negative posting about it without having seen the movie is...

You haven't even seen it yet? And you've been railing against it long before it even came out and you haven't even seen it?

I've mostly stopped paying attention to this thread thanks to the gloaters so I'm not speaking about anyone specifically in this thread but in general, the worst part of people citing the box office is that it's usually selective. When they don't like the movie, the box office is used as proof...

As soon as they can contractually release it digitally and on disc, I'm sure they will. They'll want to tie that release into its likely Oscar nominations.

I think WSS is the one Fox movie that Disney didn't just toss out into theaters in a way that basically doomed it to fail. I tend to think that they just assumed that Spielberg and the name of the movie would get people into the theater and they'd end up with a decent sized hit but...

I'm not saying that WSS's box office has anything to do with it not being part of a franchise. I'm saying that you can't make a reasonable comparison between franchise movies whose audience is willing to risk going to a theater and a movie whose primary audience is still reluctant to go to a...

You're making an apples and oranges comparison. If a big action movie like Kingsman or The Matrix fails less than a week after Spider-Man was huge, you might make that analogy. Unlike the franchise movies which have a very broad audience, WSS's biggest demographic is by and large an older crowd...

I meant that more as it's the view of the industry and I know you've just been trolling about Spielberg and the WSS remake for months and months at this point but who are the many people working today that have some kind of proven record where they make money with a musical?

Yeah, if Spielberg can't make money with a musical, who can?

That sounds bad (if not terrible) but I'm holding out hope until next weekend and the week between Xmas and New Year's. Even the people that didn't like the movie should recognize that WSS's failure is bad for non-franchise pictures across the board.

Spider-Man starts playing this afternoon so I'd imagine WSS's IMAX run ended yesterday in nearly every IMAX theater.

There's no need to but the original is well worth watching when you get the chance.

I think the musical is basically dead anyway. Even when one is a hit (La La Land, The Greatest Showman), it never really leads to a resurgence of musicals. It can't help that even Steven Spielberg couldn't get a big audience for a musical but even if it had been a huge hit, it would have been...

Of course, Fox wants to make money but in the case of Spielberg, Fox is probably willing to bite the bullet on WSS (if it ends up failing financially) just to keep a good relationship with Spielberg because he delivers enough big hits that it's worth taking the bad if they can also get the good.

They still make movies for adults and this is one of them.

It was never aimed at a younger crowd (and there's no way that that or any one demographic should be the determining factor in what does or does not get made). No doubt everyone involved would love for it to have appealed to every possible demographic but they all knew from the beginning that it...

I get your point but that you can even cite 40 or 30 year old movies that didn't do well shows that simply being Spielberg movies means they're remembered. And even the most ardent critic of WSS have to admit that the reviews are way better than the movies that you listed (though I think...

I generally agree with this but by virtue of simply being a Spielberg movie, WSS will also be well remembered. And all the people talking about how the movie is bomb need to remember that the movie's box office run isn't over yet. This isn't a franchise movie where its box office fate is...

The cast is mostly unknown actors. They're promoting the people involved with the movie that have some name recognition. As you said, they're mostly recognizable only to an older crowd but that's the demographic that the movie is aimed at. It doesn't make much sense to highlight unknown actors...

People over 50 is the movie's demographic. You can't widely sell a traditional musical to a younger crowd today.

You're the one that said I can't speak for Robert but he pointed out that there is precedent for the exact thing that you questioned.

EDIT: Robert Crawford beat me to it.

The age of the crowd was basically the same at my show but older folks don't rush out en masse to see a movie (like a younger crowd does) and that's why I'll be extremely surprised if this doesn't keep playing for weeks to come. I said it in the WSS thread in the Movies section but by no means...

Yeah but you know the box office well enough to know that this movie will likely have legs as it goes into the holidays and then awards season.

I'll be doing just that on Saturday afternoon. :)