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Indeed! The moral of the story is don't fall in love w/ old Thiels and Apogees... or they might cost you your marriage, LOL... :P;):laugh: Well, there are certainly some other audiophile speakers that are hard to drive, but maybe not too many quite as hard as their old flagships (some of which...

Given what you have, if you're going to upgrade, I'd think you should upgrade your speakers long before considering the amps (if ever the latter at all). You already have the Outlaw doing the heavy lifting. And that Yamaha AVR should likely be plenty capable for the rest of the channels...