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My issue is that this conversation is from the perspective that it's only Denon. It's the situation with all brands. They've all gone from 5 channels to 9 or 11 and all suffer from the same limitations that result. As far as "real" power supplies go, that's something that's evolving, largely...

I find that entire post nearly impossible to believe. Besides, Denon doesn't even make surround preamps, and back when they did, they never had an 11.2 channel model.

Maybe people are afraid to say anything bad about them. ;)