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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I agree about the general use of padding and explaining in the third season. But Plato's Stepchildren still seems an extreme example because I feel the specific instances are so much more damaging to the credibility of the narrative. Kirk repeating all of Deela's dialogue over and over again in...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I think I have said this before here, but I feel Plato's Stepchildren is a show that would be much more powerful and successful with six or seven minutes edited out. Those torture scenes are endless, and as you say, Joel, a lot of them are more silly than scary. I understand the goal of showing...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    No, Charlie X and Shore Leave preceded it.
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    The magazine came out in the fall of 1967, and they are out on location, so it would either have to be Bread and Circuses or A Private Little War, and Shatner's costume eliminates Bread and Circuses.
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Isn't it just an altered version of this famous one? https://www.google.com/search?q=shatner+nimoy+mad+magazine&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#imgrc=_s76Rnr5EBNvYM%3A
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Who Mourns for Adonais? has the well-known controversial "We find the one quite adequate" line.
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Starfleet Bulletin (Code 2): Be alerted that all Constitution-class carpeting has now been treated with a Corbomite-based spray that will result in a stain of equal magnitude on the spilling receptacle. Disfigured fabric has little meaning to us. If it has none to you, then spill your coffee now.
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I love The Man Who Was Never Born and The Sixth Finger.
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    The Enemy Within is a great story, and arguably one of the most challenging of the entire series. It's not the typical "evil twin" episode because all the negativity is acknowledged as being truly part of the hero. The transporter gimmick lets it out, but the stuff was all in there to begin...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Just stick with Barbary Coast past the pilot; Doug McClure is a vast improvement.
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    The Making of Star Trek is a landmark one also. The Star Trek Compendium, by Asherman, is probably the best basic reference work (although for your revisitation purposes, it may warrant skimming more than anything else).
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I would include Trek Classic: 25 Years Later by Edward Gross and The Star Trek Interview Book by Allan Asherman in that book collection. They include expansive, episode-specific interviews with people not interviewed in any other books. Barbary Coast is fun. Do you like The Wild, Wild West...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I bought it without having seen any of it first, and I've enjoyed it a lot. You should be aware going in that it's a type of show, very common to the era, I call a modified anthology. The lead character is very much a reactor to the guest stars, who generally have the interesting stories. A...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I'm sure you're right that it's coincidental. Just a strange outcome of the sequencing process. With the luxury of time, some shows will specifically avoid similarities like that, but it was probably the last thing on their minds trying to make those first few airdates. At least the next three...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I generally think about Star Trek episodes in the order that they were filmed, but this anniversary viewing discussion has made me notice something I hadn't before: the first three episodes aired were so crushingly and relentlessly downbeat in their endings. The Man Trap, following multiple...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    What a great way of describing the convention attendees. The beauty of Star Trek is that it may, in a small way, help to create the future it envisions. I think the fact that, as a young viewer, you could imagine yourself as Chekov, is a nod to the fact that sometimes network and studio...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Once again, Josh, thanks for the write-up. My last convention was the 35th anniversary one in New York, so it's nice to get the feel of being at one again. The panel on the Women of Star Trek in particular sounds like it was pretty riveting. I have heard Walter Koenig say directly what you...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I think that, as with most of the movies, it was a lot like Trelane. They recognized the form but not the substance.
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Yes, a point for Josh's fiancée in noting the lack of clarity on Salty's abilities. There is definitely an individualized component wherein it reflects other people's thoughts. (The most intriguing example of addressing that is in McCoy's cabin, when Nancy says she prefers his company because he...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I enjoyed my randomized anniversary marathon: Shore Leave Friday's Child The Trouble With Tribbles The Return of the Archons Wolf in the Fold The Apple Errand of Mercy Everyone else's celebration sounds like a lot of fun also. Bob, I love your recreated night of broadcasting. I wasn't around...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    As Nimoy read the rest of the review, it was funny to see his reaction to Shatner being labeled "wooden." I have often wondered if, had they aired another episode first, things might have been different for Star Trek. Upon reflection, though, I don't really believe the reviews made all that...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Happy 50th anniversary to all of you and to fans everywhere. I think this is a milestone in showing that Star Trek really may be a classic in the traditional sense. It's still fresh and meaningful to people who know it well and to people experiencing it for the first time. Someday, on some still...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Thanks for the descriptions, Josh. What a nice moment for both you and Nicholas Meyer. I'm sure that really meant something to him as an artist.
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I think it looks beautiful. They had a lot of choices to make regarding questions of preservation and authenticity, and I think they did an excellent job. You may be right about some minor nitpicking, but I really believe this restoration will make people very happy. I think the museum board...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Thanks for adding the view of experience. When I saw Leonard Nimoy at the 92nd Street Y, he talked about how his father did not understand his desire to have a career in the arts. As a man who had always wanted to go to school and work in a secure professional field but been too poor to do so...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Nelson, I remember Bill Boggs. He was a local New York television personality who started on the news and became a host/interviewer in the 1970s and 1980s. He had his own daily show for several years, as well as appearing on other news and news-like programs. I will definitely look at the...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Such a great episode, isn't it? I think that Josh is right in the practical sense that Spock's parents clearly rated their own story and there was no plan to shove them into this one. Within the context of the show, however, I think it's believable. At the time of Journey to Babel, shortly after...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Saw this quiz from MeTV online. None of you should have much trouble with it, but it's very entertaining: http://metv.com/quiz/quiz-whats-wrong-with-this-star-trek-picture
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    Some popular crime shows do mostly standalone episodes, although they all have some running threads that pop up a couple of times a year. Same for some successful comedy series. But very few of those shows get much critical attention. I suspect you're right that the new Star Trek show, in...
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    Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)

    I do think that Star Trek is a better fit as a series than in the movies, so I was glad to read about the forthcoming show. I suspect that the economics worked in Star Trek's favor this time--CBS may believe that the show doesn't have the audience to succeed on broadcast TV, but has enough...
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