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Paul....understood and agreed. and those two $600 subs are just about equal in size as well. As much high value these to companies offer, I think this price point will draw a lot of attention.

I'm not the PB2-ISD would have an advantage in every aspect, but it does have definite advantages in others. When is the PB1+ due out? I am actually the most interested a $600 box sub shootout.

Edward....mean spirited or not, when I read Rick's quote, I didn't even think it was directed at any one person. Subjectiveness is what makes it fun IMO. Getting everyone into together to listen to subs/speakers is fun. Getting everyone together to get test measurements is interesting, but...

From reading that quote, I can see how it can be taken as being mean spirited. But if there is one thing we have all learned on these forums, it is to give someone the benefit of the doubt. If it was meant to be mean spirited, then I have lost some respect for Rick. And yes...your response...

Wow Edward...where did that come from? Thought this was going kind of smoothly as far as SVS/Hsu threads go until the name calling. Is this going to be able to happen impartially without any policing? OK....so lets get this straight: SVS has offered the PB2-ISD and would like to see it...

Tom, What are you proposing for the first round? Which subs? Rick, I hope you stay involved.

Thanks for chiming in Sasha! OK....so if it can be worked out, TN1220HO with the Hsu 250watt plate amp($849 includes shipping) and the 20-39PC+($825+shipping) or 16-46PC+($875+shipping). OR The new STF-3($599 includes shipping) and the PB1-ISD($599+shipping). I think that is what...

I got webspace too if needed. Arizona?? I could make that trip! Golf?

Edward, I will make a call over there and see what I can do. May I also suggest throwing in a blind listening comparison as well?

Edward, Give Hsu Research a call or drop them an email. That is what I did with Ron and told him my full intentions. I'm with Paul and think the latest interation of each sub should be used, but I realize that may be difficult. I realize it may cause a sting to the credit cards, but maybe...

Geez Rob....took you this long to pipe in? Were you having fun reading the thread? I know a lot of others have.

Edward, You are right....I have not seen the subs measured by the same methods in the same room. And, yes, very unfair. I agree that specs tell a good portion of the story, as it does for speakers, but it can not replace actually listening. I think buying a sub based on one person's...

Edward, All the marketing, features, and vocal customers, such as yourself, are what really made me interested in the SVS subs. And cold hard numbers of each sub have been stated over and over again. But just like speakers that have similar numbers, when you get them into a room, they...

Both are very good subs from reputable companies. I have a VTF-3, and have used it with organ music down to 16hz, and it sounds/feels very good. I have no doubt that the PB2 can play at higher SPL, but how loud do you need it?