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I think the Luke/Leia siblings thing also came from GL's decision to wrap up the saga with "RotJ". Back when he wanted to make 9 movies, he intended "the other" to become part of Episodes VII-IX, IIRC. And the Emperor was gonna be part of those films. (Which ended up as the case, but in a...

Yop. As much as Lucas wants us to believe he had a Big Old All-Encompassing Plan from the start, he made it up as he went along. I'm always a little surprised how many people buy the idea that GL had everything organized before/during the shoot for "Star Wars" Heck, it seemed clear that was...

Not gonna review the whole thread, but I got the impression some here think the movie wasn't well-received in 1980. There's the view that it's revisionist history or it got appreciated in the 90s but wasn't much liked in 1980.

Yeah, I can see younger kids might be a little turned off by "ESB", though "lead balloon" feels extreme. Seems like there's still enough fun and adventure for the pre-10 crowd to not hate it. I don't like "Rogue One", so I'm with the kids there! :D Anyway, my point is that there was sentiment...

Different topic altogether. MPAA still decided the rating. They didn't let the studio choose. Plenty of movies have had MPAA change ratings after appeals. That's not MPAA saying "we wanna give you a 'G' but we'll let you decide!"

I was 13 in 1980 and never felt like "ESB" ended on an actual cliffhanger. As someone else in this thread noted, it leaves some threads open for pursuits, but that's not "cliffhanger" as much as "open ended". "Back to the Future II"? That "ending" cheesed me off. Crud, the movie literally...

Wait - you're saying that if the MPAA gave a movie a "G", the studio could say "nah - we're goin' with 'R' instead"? That seems... farfetched. <_<

Yeah, this "'ESB' wasn't liked in 1980" stuff is weird revisionist history. Crud, there was a sentiment it got snubbed due to its lack of Oscar BP nomination. Not what woulda been the case if it'd been disliked.

I think these discussions of "fan reactions" to "ESB" and "ROTJ" in their eras have been pretty anecdotal. It's hard to really judge the "fanboy POV" like we can now because we didn't have access to nearly as many perspectives as we do now.

Hmm...I find it really hard to believe the 2 had comparable "in era" grosses, even with minor ticket price increases over those years. "Star Wars" stayed in theaters for more than a year and was a remarkable phenomenon. There's no way it only made $21m more "initial run" vs. "ESB". The latter...

Saying "ESB" > "Star Wars" is no slight on "Star Wars". It's not like I think it's a POS.

Well, ya got me there! Can't argue with that unassailable case! ;)

Except "Empire" is better than "Star Wars".

It really should be the goal of every HTF member to make my life easier! ;)

Good quote - thanks!

I'd be interested to find comments from Spielberg about why he ditched the 2002 cut. And by "interested", I mean I want someone else to find these comment for me! :laugh:

Maybe, but I'm betting it was SS's call. If he'd wanted the 2002 out there, Uni would've said "yessir!" and done it. You don't f--k with the Spielberg! :D It's noteworthy that SS apparently had already soured on the 2002 by the time the BD hit in 2012, since it's absent from that release as...

Mixed bag. On one hand, there are way too many "George Lucas raped my childhood" morons out there. On the other, George brought a lot of abuse on himself. He knows many fans want the originals but he refuses to let them come out again, and he keeps making these bizarre changes to the films...

Yeah, you can blame Disney for a lot, but "Maclunkey" wasn't their idea. I genuinely believe Disney would be happy to sell us the original OT without George's tampering. Doesn't seem to be their call!

What does this mean? That movies that aren't "serious" can be mucked with? Aren't you the guy who restored "My Fair Lady"? Is that "serious cinema" but "Star Wars" isn't? :blink: