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Like I said: I separate the "2021 slate all streaming/theaters" into a different bucket than "2020". Hate the decision, think it'll backfire - probably already has. Yes, I understand that decision came down in 2020, but I just looked at 2020 movie releases, and they were really the major...

I don't claim WB is selflessly "looking out" for theaters. I do claim that they've done more to help keep theaters afloat than the others, though. No one else put out A-list movies over the last 4 months. And I agree that "Croods" isn't a "tentpole", but it's also a film with much greater...

Theaters were gonna reopen anyway. WB didn't force that to happen, and theaters were more than happy to have something new and "big" to run. I already acknowledged that the plan for 2021 sucks, but viewed as a compromise for the 1 movie - "WW84" - it was a thrown bone. Even with the shared...

As misguided as I think WB's 2021 plan is, I at least respect the fact they've thrown a bone to exhibitors over the last 4 months. We've only gotten 3 legit tentpole movies since the summer reopening, and 2 of them are from WB. Not even sure "Croods" deserves to fall into the "tentpole"...

Maybe not double, but I'm sure HBO Max cut into ticket sales to a decent degree. Perhaps a theater-only release would've been 50% higher?

Sure, but what was the alternative - hold it for a year and cross fingers? WB knew they weren't gonna turn a profit on "Tenet". It's not the end of the world if some movies take a hit to help keep the industry active. As I've noted, we've seen plenty of bigger bombs during normal times...

I got a cloth on Amazon that really works well. I kinda expected it to be crap but damn if it didn't help! Worked so well that I didn't even need to use it again for like 3 days. I'd been fogged up the wazoo previously! I'll post the link if people want.

Hear ya! Honestly, I don't know what risk level I am. At 53, I'm not "young", but I'm also not "old", either. Pretty healthy overall - no underlying conditions, so I guess I'm at fairly low risk. Still wasn't excited to fly last week! :unsure:

I do think theaters would agree to the short window as long as it's clear it's just a stopgap. Better 17 days of Bond or MCU exclusivity vs. no movies at all! I've been to 5 or 6 movies since reopening and I've gotten used to the mask. Worst part was that my glasses would fog, but I got an...

That was my thought. If you're willing to venture to a multiplex for "ESB", you probably just love to see movies on the big screen and already saw those other movies. Both "Tenet" and "NM" have been out for weeks. Viewers could already have seen them 2-3 times and are eager for something "new"!

I think the theaters might go for the 17-day window as a stopgap. Agree to it until some agreed-upon benchmark is reached. As you noted, the 5th biggest "hit" was "ESB", so it's clear people are going to movies who will go even when said movie is out on video. Might some people say "I won't...

Probably. Hollywood needs to think about that, though. Would a new blockbuster-ish movie once every 4 weeks truly save theaters, even if those movies made much less than in Ye Olden Dayes? Maybe not "save", but they could be enough to keep the lights on until things do go back to some form...

But again: the risk is lower for the movies under discussion. IMO, "Tenet" is easily the basement for box office related to the movies we're talking about here. It came out pretty quickly after theaters reopened and it lacked the "sellability" of "Black Widow" or "NTtD". Honestly, at this...

WW totals for the Craig Bonds: -CR: $616 million -Quantum: $589 million -Skyfall: $1.1 billion -SPECTRE: $880 million So "Skyfall" was a peak and a huge increase from the 1st 2, but "SPECTRE" showed a decent hold. Yeah, it looks "bad" compared to "Skyfall", but it looks incredible compared to...

Which is the point I've made: we really have no idea what "Tenet" would've done without COVID. Better than it did in the US, certainly, but people here treat it like a sure thing, and it wasn't. As for "New Mutants", that was barely sold as part of the X-Men franchise. I watched the trailer...

But "Tenet" has made 100s of millions WW. As I've noted, it seems likely to finish around $300m. Not the 100s of millions the studio expected pre-COVID, but geez, you guys act like it made 27 cents! :lol: Seriously, $300m for a non-franchise/original property with little starpower in the...

So what's the solution? Sit on movies for a year or 2 and watch theaters die in the interim? And given that the international market is more robust, it's not as enormous a risk as you guys want to depict. No, the total receipts for "Tenet" won't cover its cost, but it should wind up around...

The big difference: there's no "at home" semi-equivalent for live productions. While movie theaters are superior to home TVs, it's still a reasonable facsimile, whereas there's nothing like that for live productions. I go - or went :( - to lots of concerts, and video versions of those and/or...

I've acknowledged it. That's my main point! :D

But this assumes that an MCU movie or a Bond movie wouldn't entice these people back into theaters. As I've said, the assumption on this board seems to be "'Tenet' disappointed because people won't return during pandemic no matter what", and I disagree with that. "Tenet" wasn't a sure thing...

I get the danger of risk to a franchise, but I think it's the double-edged sword. On one hand, I understand studios don't want to get a pennies on the dollar return on a tentpole, and they don't want the "'Tenet' Flops!!!" notion that seems to have taken hold to cling to their movie as well...

I don't claim for a fact that any of these movies would do radically better. I think "WW84" would do a fair amount better - 5 weeks later into the pandemic, and assuming no one discerns outbreaks that stemmed from theaters in that span, people may feel more secure. "Tenet" came out so close to...

Worst case is probably chains have to close some locations. Maybe some reopen under the same chain eventually, maybe someone else takes over, maybe the landlords turn them in laser tag playing fields - who knows? I think any financial decisions will be made from the current bottom line period...

I really feel like we'd have a better idea of true demand if a 2nd A-level movie came out in addition to "Tenet". If "WW84" came out in October as planned and showed similar numbers, then it's more clear people simply aren't willing to trust theaters to keep them COVID-free. I think too many...

I think you're Chicken Littling to an extreme. No, it's not "undoubted" that the money men will view the sparse audiences now as an indication people reject movies as a whole. It's much more likely they'll understand that mass audiences just weren't as ready to go back to movies in the age...

Literally unbelievable! :) I'll gladly get the vaccine - when I trust it. I won't trust any vaccine that coincidentally appears right before the election!

Travis is mocking a certain politician!

I still think it's a no-win. We just don't have a handle on what good/bad ticket sales are right now, so whatever asterisks WB adds to the "Tenet" receipts, people will think "yikes - it only made $20 million?" We're too conditioned to the big big big bucks...

Hard to say since no one has a real handle on what "disappointing" means in the current environment. We just have no real concept of what movies "should" make right now. In terms of "Tenet", WB may feel that even if it does really well in the current situation, it'll look bad because people...

Must be limited. I checked the 4 AMCs I occasionally go to in NJ and all say they don't reopen until 9/10...