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15 years for a real player. Still a masterpiece.

I'll answer that. TDK is my second favorite film of the year so far, just barely edging Speed Racer. Slumdog Millionaire is my #1. So, at least, I think SM is better. And I've been pretty effusive with praise about TDK since release

There wasn't a third option in this case. Batman had a couple of seconds to act. His intent was NOT to kill Dent...that is the difference. The Joker wanted Batman to WANT to kill. To do it. Harvey's death wasn't the Batman's fault. The Joker's would have have been. Harvey's was in defense of...

Sure. I'll argue that The Matrix Reloaded was one of the best films of 2003, so it's more than just quality. It's accessibility and expectations. TDK has all of those, along with nuance and a PG-13 rating that it more than earns.

Absolutely. That scene is critical in understanding that the Joker has no fear because he doesn't care if he lives or dies. It's not an act. He is ready to die. He's probably got some SERIOUS pain in his history, and is still sane enough to welcome death. But he wants to prove his point...

Batman doesn't kill. That's the reason. He makes that clear from Batman Begins.

RDJ is great. I think he's taking a fun and meaningless potshot. Honestly, I DON'T think he would have said it if TDK wasn't a monster hit. I love the guy, so he's allowed to take the piss He nailed his movie, too. You couldn't ask for a better performance than RDJ gave. Considering Fav's...

Chuck, It isn't at all related to the events of United 93. The ferry passengers weren't being asked to risk jail to save a life or to simply fight back at their captors. They were being asked to kill a bunch of people completely UNRELATED to their predicament. I'd certainly injure or kill...

Asked and answered in the BB thread, Steve and H. 1) There is a difference between Ra's on the train and the Joker falling from the high rise. Ra's put himself on the train, and the train on the path. Batman threw the Joker off the roof. One is a situation of the Batman's design and the other...

He goes after Rachel, and his trusted ally goes after Dent.

Joker lied about the locations, rich. Batman was going for Rachel. Steve, he and Gordon didn't have time for a conversation. He knew that Gordon would go after the one he didn't go after. He controlled the situation, and therefore "controlled" who went after Dent.

Yeah, he did. He sent Gordon and his team after Dent. They just didn't make it in time

So does he, I am sure. But he's Batman. He'd find a third option. He always does.

Thanks for the basic (but complete) rundown, Ben. The point is that the Joker wants people to have the One Bad Day that he had. He keeps offering them that choice, over and over. Even if you AGREE that killing criminals is morally better than allowing non-criminals to die (which I [and...

I can't see anything past Ben's post (617 of 623). And the quick reply pane appears INSIDE of his post. Funky.

Not really. He chose her emotionally, which makes sense. But she is no more a "civilian" than Dent. Both are DA's, both are on the same cases, and she's dating the most hated man in Gotham. She absolutely chose her life.

Don't take my word for it: Back to Batman...anyone know how it has done this week (Monday and Tuesday)?

The last one was the best by far (Jinx on DavidPla). And Zimmer did The Thin Red Line in 1998, which contains one of the singlest greatest tracks in film score history (Journey To The Line).

I love Two-Face, and love this portrayal of him, putting it in this film heightens his story and the Joker's story. His is essentially the two sides of both men, trapped between them. I agree with Patrick and Mike. I'd love to see Eckhart play him again, but the character absolutely belonged...

Sure, that was true when the characters were created. But this isn't your grandfather's Batman. This is the archetypal characteristics of Batman throughout his lifecycle filtered through a modern sensibility.

I'd argue that the strikethrough is a point of contention. A significant one. Batman is about saving lives. There is a nice little comment from Superman to Batman in Kingdom Come that succinctly illustrates their mutual respect, despite vastly different worldviews and methods. "When it comes...

I don't think the film wants "it" both ways. I think it's VERY open about the film's intent and what Batman is. He is a vigilante. He is a criminal. The intent of his actions are what define him (hallmark of BB). There is no intent to "redeem" Batman. He has done nothing morally wrong, although...

Thanks for the picture, Mike. In all the hoopla, it's easy to forget that Ledger is gone. It's actually quite depressing, and not because it would be cool to see the character again, but because he was an extremely talented actor with a bright future. The usual platitudes about people after...

Both of those were done for specific effect, not out of simple-minded rage. And Wayne is a channeler. He'd channel it into something else if not Batman. If he had that rage, without control, he wouldn't be able to do a SINGLE night of what he does. His anger is counter-balanced by his control.

I have same question. He seemed pretty morally sound in the film. Very even-keeled.

Yeah. I had wanted him to live so badly for the third film. But it was pretty clear on the second viewing that he was gone. I have the Art of... with script on it's way. That'll be a fun read.

I agree. I usually rely on information from tabloid rags and british celebrity journalists to determine the character of a famous individual.

I agree wholeheartedly. His role is less showy (yes, it's weird typing that), but he's exceptional at conveying a man in total control under emotional siege. He plays very well with the other actors. His showy stuff was in BB, but he's the best actor to play the character ever. He's the center...

Gordon does have a son. That's who Bruce saved (as a faceless stranger) in Batman: Year One.

Very astute. And that's my impression as well. You just said it a lot better. One reason this film works so well is that Batman is already psychologically examined and established. The first film did a brilliant job itself, establishing Gotham, Gordon, Alfred, and Bruce. Therefore, the film...