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Thanks Joseph for pointing out the Emotiva stuff, it looks great and I am really leaning that way, I need to see a few more reviews on it though before I take the plunge.

Thanks Brent, as you can tell I am not even a novice at HT, I just happen to have collected a lot of Adcon amps over the years and want to build up a good HT setup. My preamp says dolby ProLogic on the front panel and output to the rear channels are not discreet; it does have a subwoofer...

I am just really getting into HT and am wondering why I can buy a brand new middle of the road Pioneer 7.1 surround and THX certified receiver for under 500 bucks but I cant find a middle of the road 7.1 surround and THX certified preamplifier for under 1500 bucks...to me this is a real problem...