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With Singin’ In The Rain getting 4k redo how about An American In Paris!
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Garysb

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Why not "Meet Me In St Louis", The Band Wagon", "Easter Parade", "On The Town", Kiss Me,Kate"
"Seven Brides For Seven Brothers" , "Gigi" etc etc. Let's hope that "Singin' In The Rain" does well enough to justify additional releases no matter which specific title gets chosen as the second one.
 

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"Seven Brides For Seven Brothers" is probably a lost cause. It's always looked pretty substandard, even on the original 35mm prints. AnscoColor, grain city on the opticals, etc.

The bluray is not too bad. The 1.85 version is better looking, but suffers from the re-staging compromises.
 

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I've seen some exceptionally stellar work from WAC on standard Blu-ray and would encourage the studio to continue offering it as such in this format, with exceptions made for 4K from Warner Home Video instead.

WAC has a ton of 'never released' titles still MIA in any format except DVD. Wouldn't we all agree it would be more prudent to spend the money there until such time as the bulk of the catalog is already released in pristine condition in at least basic Blu-ray?!?

Just some of the more prominent 'A' list titles still MIA on Blu-ray

Marie Antoinette
The Brothers Karamazov
Captain Blood
Gentlemen Jim
Random Harvest
Kings Row
Executive Suite
High Society
Holiday in Mexico
Blackboard Jungle
Tom Thumb
The Light in the Piazza
Bathing Beauty
Rosalie
Week-end at the Waldorf
Raintree County
Ryan's Daughter
Easy to Love
Presenting Lili Mars
Lili
The Swan
Scaramouche
Knights of the Round Table
When Ladies Meet
The Enchanted Cottage
Small Town Girl
Lovely To Look At
Broadway Melody of 1936/38
The Andy Hardy series
The Tarzan series
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
A Woman's Face
Humoresque
Flamingo Road
Mannequin
Possessed
Goodbye, Mr. Chips (both versions)
The Prisoner of Zenda (both versions)
The Merry Widow (both versions)
Red Dust
China Seas
Idiot's Delight
The Fountainhead
The Man Who Came To Dinner
I Walked With a Zombie
The Seventh Victim
The Mayor from Hell
The Picture Snatcher
Lassie Come Home
The White Cliffs of Dover
The Valley of Decision
Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo
Black Legion
Storm Warning
In This Our Life
The Old Maid
Old Acquaintance
Rich and Famous
The Great Ziegfeld
The Life of Emile Zola
Maytime
The Great Waltz
Rose Marie
The Student Prince
Tea and Sympathy
Murder, She Said
The VIP's
The Yellow Rolls-Royce
Captains Courageous
City for Conquest
East Side, West Side
My Reputation
Rio Rita
Kismet (Ronald Colman version)
Mr. Skeffington
The Desert Song
Till the Clouds Roll By
Words & Music
Thousands Cheer
Arsenic and Old Lace
A Stolen Life
Hollywood Canteen
This Is The Army
Babes in Arms
Babes on Broadway
Camille
Anna Karenina
Queen Christina
New Moon
Dancing Lady
Freaks
Whistling in the Dark
Tugboat Annie
Hollywood Party
Viva Villa!
Reckless
Personal Property
A Yank at Oxford
Born to Dance
I Love You Again
Manhattan Melodrama
Boy's Town
The Dr. Kildare film franchise
The Chocolate Soldier
Susan and God
When Ladies Meet
Little Nellie Kelly
Smiling Through
Cabin in the Sky
Panama Hattie
Du Barry Was A Lady
A Guy Named Joe
Madame Bovary
Yolanda and the Thief
That Midnight Kiss
The Toast of New Orleans
Adam's Rib
Two Weeks With Love
Duchess of Idaho
King Solomon's Mines
Green Fire
Royal Wedding
I Love Melvin
Nancy Goes to Rio
The Cobweb
The Catered Affair
Cabin in the Cotton
 
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"Seven Brides For Seven Brothers" is probably a lost cause. It's always looked pretty substandard, even on the original 35mm prints. AnscoColor, grain city on the opticals, etc.

The bluray is not too bad. The 1.85 version is better looking, but suffers from the re-staging compromises.
I would argue that Seven Brides for Seven Brothers will probably never look better than it already does, owing to source material and the aforementioned lethal quality of vintage AnscoColor.

WAC should redo It's Always Fair Weather, which isn't a great effort, and see if better elements survive for Silk Stockings too. Quo Vadis needs a new master. Whole portions suffer from Technicolor misregistration and age-related artifacts are everywhere.

Movies I would vote for in 4K from Warner Home Video would have to include, though not limited to, Gone With The Wind, Ryan's Daughter, Grand Prix, Driving Miss Daisy, Amadeus, Doctor Zhivago, Far from the Madding Crowd, Gigi.
 

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I would argue that Seven Brides for Seven Brothers will probably never look better than it already does, owing to source material and the aforementioned lethal quality of vintage AnscoColor.

WAC should redo It's Always Fair Weather, which isn't a great effort, and see if better elements survive for Silk Stockings too. Quo Vadis needs a new master. Whole portions suffer from Technicolor misregistration and age-related artifacts are everywhere.

Movies I would vote for in 4K from Warner Home Video would have to include, though not limited to, Gone With The Wind, Ryan's Daughter, Grand Prix, Driving Miss Daisy, Amadeus, Doctor Zhivago, Far from the Madding Crowd, Gigi.
1961's KIng Of KIngs
 

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I've seen some exceptionally stellar work from WAC on standard Blu-ray and would encourage the studio to continue offering it as such in this format, with exceptions made for 4K from Warner Home Video instead.

WAC has a ton of 'never released' titles still MIA in any format except DVD. Wouldn't we all agree it would be more prudent to spend the money there until such time as the bulk of the catalog is already released in pristine condition in at least basic Blu-ray?!?

Just some of the more prominent 'A' list titles still MIA on Blu-ray

Marie Antoinette
The Brothers Karamazov
Captain Blood
Gentlemen Jim
Executive Suite
High Society
Holiday in Mexico
Blackboard Jungle
Tom Thumb
The Light in the Piazza
Bathing Beauty
Rosalie
Week-end at the Waldorf
Raintree County
Ryan's Daughter
Easy to Love
Presenting Lili Mars
Lili
The Swan
Scaramouche
Knights of the Round Table
When Ladies Meet
The Enchanted Cottage
Small Town Girl
Lovely To Look At
Broadway Melody of 1936/38
The Andy Hardy series
The Tarzan series
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
A Woman's Face
Humoresque
Flamingo Road
Mannequin
Possessed
Goodbye, Mr. Chips (both versions)
The Prisoner of Zenda (both versions)
The Merry Widow (both versions)
Red Dust
China Seas
Idiot's Delight
The Fountainhead
The Man Who Came To Dinner
I Walked With a Zombie
The Seventh Victim
The Mayor from Hell
The Picture Snatcher
Lassie Come Home
The White Cliffs of Dover
The Valley of Decision
Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo
Black Legion
Storm Warning
In This Our Life
The Old Maid
Old Acquaintance
Rich and Famous
The Great Ziegfeld
The Life of Emile Zola
Maytime
The Great Waltz
Rose Marie
The Student Prince
Tea and Sympathy
Murder, She Said
The VIP's
The Yellow Rolls-Royce
Captains Courageous
City for Conquest
East Side, West Side
My Reputation
Rio Rita
Kismet (Ronald Colman version)
Mr. Skeffington
The Desert Song
Till the Clouds Roll By
Words & Music
Thousands Cheer
Arsenic and Old Lace
A Stolen Life
Hollywood Canteen
This Is The Army
Babes in Arms
Babes on Broadway
Camille
Anna Karenina
Queen Christina
New Moon
Dancing Lady
Freaks
Whistling in the Dark
Tugboat Annie
Hollywood Party
Viva Villa!
Reckless
Personal Property
A Yank at Oxford
Born to Dance
I Love You Again
Manhattan Melodrama
Boy's Town
The Dr. Kildare film franchise
The Chocolate Soldier
Susan and God
When Ladies Meet
Little Nellie Kelly
Smiling Through
Cabin in the Sky
Panama Hattie
Du Barry Was A Lady
A Guy Named Joe
Madame Bovary
Yolanda and the Thief
That Midnight Kiss
The Toast of New Orleans
Adam's Rib
Two Weeks With Love
Duchess of Idaho
King Solomon's Mines
Green Fire
Royal Wedding
I Love Melvin
Nancy Goes to Rio
The Cobweb
The Catered Affair
Cabin in the Cotton
Don’t forget Random Harvest!
 

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I've seen some exceptionally stellar work from WAC on standard Blu-ray and would encourage the studio to continue offering it as such in this format, with exceptions made for 4K from Warner Home Video instead.

WAC has a ton of 'never released' titles still MIA in any format except DVD. Wouldn't we all agree it would be more prudent to spend the money there until such time as the bulk of the catalog is already released in pristine condition in at least basic Blu-ray?!?

Just some of the more prominent 'A' list titles still MIA on Blu-ray

Marie Antoinette
The Brothers Karamazov
Captain Blood
Gentlemen Jim
Executive Suite
High Society
Holiday in Mexico
Blackboard Jungle
Tom Thumb
The Light in the Piazza
Bathing Beauty
Rosalie
Week-end at the Waldorf
Raintree County
Ryan's Daughter
Easy to Love
Presenting Lili Mars
Lili
The Swan
Scaramouche
Knights of the Round Table
When Ladies Meet
The Enchanted Cottage
Small Town Girl
Lovely To Look At
Broadway Melody of 1936/38
The Andy Hardy series
The Tarzan series
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
A Woman's Face
Humoresque
Flamingo Road
Mannequin
Possessed
Goodbye, Mr. Chips (both versions)
The Prisoner of Zenda (both versions)
The Merry Widow (both versions)
Red Dust
China Seas
Idiot's Delight
The Fountainhead
The Man Who Came To Dinner
I Walked With a Zombie
The Seventh Victim
The Mayor from Hell
The Picture Snatcher
Lassie Come Home
The White Cliffs of Dover
The Valley of Decision
Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo
Black Legion
Storm Warning
In This Our Life
The Old Maid
Old Acquaintance
Rich and Famous
The Great Ziegfeld
The Life of Emile Zola
Maytime
The Great Waltz
Rose Marie
The Student Prince
Tea and Sympathy
Murder, She Said
The VIP's
The Yellow Rolls-Royce
Captains Courageous
City for Conquest
East Side, West Side
My Reputation
Rio Rita
Kismet (Ronald Colman version)
Mr. Skeffington
The Desert Song
Till the Clouds Roll By
Words & Music
Thousands Cheer
Arsenic and Old Lace
A Stolen Life
Hollywood Canteen
This Is The Army
Babes in Arms
Babes on Broadway
Camille
Anna Karenina
Queen Christina
New Moon
Dancing Lady
Freaks
Whistling in the Dark
Tugboat Annie
Hollywood Party
Viva Villa!
Reckless
Personal Property
A Yank at Oxford
Born to Dance
I Love You Again
Manhattan Melodrama
Boy's Town
The Dr. Kildare film franchise
The Chocolate Soldier
Susan and God
When Ladies Meet
Little Nellie Kelly
Smiling Through
Cabin in the Sky
Panama Hattie
Du Barry Was A Lady
A Guy Named Joe
Madame Bovary
Yolanda and the Thief
That Midnight Kiss
The Toast of New Orleans
Adam's Rib
Two Weeks With Love
Duchess of Idaho
King Solomon's Mines
Green Fire
Royal Wedding
I Love Melvin
Nancy Goes to Rio
The Cobweb
The Catered Affair
Cabin in the Cotton
My feelings mirror yours - the emphasis should be more on bringing new titles onto blu-ray and not rehashing the war-horses onto 4K. However, I remember what David Shepard said about why he would bring out a new edition of the Lon Chaney version of The Phantom of the Opera every few years - that new edition would subsidize the obscure titles that we all crave but don't bring in much revenue. So if some of the proceeds of a 4K of Singin' in the Rain can subsidize something like Bathing Beauty or Yolanda and the Thief, I can tolerate some of the rehashes a bit more. I won't be buying them as I'm perfectly content with old-fashioned blu-ray, but I can understand how they can be useful even to someone who has no use for 4K discs.

There are tons of titles on your list that I would love to have, but one that you missed is Kings Row.
 

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If you're going to redo previously released MGM musical Blu-rays (whether for a 4K upgrade or not), foremost would have to be On the Town and Gigi. I think everything else mentioned above could wait, but those two are in dire need of attention.
 

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My feelings mirror yours - the emphasis should be more on bringing new titles onto blu-ray and not rehashing the war-horses onto 4K. However, I remember what David Shepard said about why he would bring out a new edition of the Lon Chaney version of The Phantom of the Opera every few years - that new edition would subsidize the obscure titles that we all crave but don't bring in much revenue. So if some of the proceeds of a 4K of Singin' in the Rain can subsidize something like Bathing Beauty or Yolanda and the Thief, I can tolerate some of the rehashes a bit more. I won't be buying them as I'm perfectly content with old-fashioned blu-ray, but I can understand how they can be useful even to someone who has no use for 4K discs.

There are tons of titles on your list that I would love to have, but one that you missed is Kings Row.
How could I forget Kings Row - a formidable drama, with exceptional performances and 'yes' - a must have! Apologies to fans.
 

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If you're going to redo previously released MGM musical Blu-rays (whether for a 4K upgrade or not), foremost would have to be On the Town and Gigi. I think everything else mentioned above could wait, but those two are in dire need of attention.
If you're going to vote for those, you have to add Anchors Aweigh to that list. It's an atrocity.
 

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My feelings mirror yours - the emphasis should be more on bringing new titles onto blu-ray and not rehashing the war-horses onto 4K. However, I remember what David Shepard said about why he would bring out a new edition of the Lon Chaney version of The Phantom of the Opera every few years - that new edition would subsidize the obscure titles that we all crave but don't bring in much revenue. So if some of the proceeds of a 4K of Singin' in the Rain can subsidize something like Bathing Beauty or Yolanda and the Thief, I can tolerate some of the rehashes a bit more. I won't be buying them as I'm perfectly content with old-fashioned blu-ray, but I can understand how they can be useful even to someone who has no use for 4K discs.
Completely agree. If some of the 4K profits can be plowed back into getting Blu-ray releases for lower profile favorites that's a win/win situation.
I'll bet "An American in Paris" would look great in 4K. I've always considered that film one of the great pinnacles among movie musicals and certainly a most deserving Best Picture winner in '51. I just don't know whether, nowadays, it could possibly achieve the kind of stratospheric sales levels 4K marketers seem to be looking for.
But - yes - the end most desired is to secure Blu-ray releases for some of the lesser known titles many of us love.
Here's a chronological list of the 25 vintage films from MGM that I most long to see on Blu:

MAN WOMAN AND SIN(1927) Jeanne Eagels, John Gilbert
PEG O'MY HEART(1933) Marion Davies
THE PAINTED VEIL(1934) Greta Garbo
ROSE MARIE(1936) MacDonald & Eddy
THE FIREFLY(1937) Jeanette MacDonald
THE GIRL OF THE GOLDEN WEST(1938) MacDonald & Eddy
MARIE ANTOINETTE(1938) Norma Shearer, Tyrone Power *
SWEETHEARTS(1938) MacDonald & Eddy
LADY OF THE TROPICS(1939) Hedy Lamarr, Robert Taylor
I TAKE THIS WOMAN(1940) Hedy Lamarr, Spencer Tracy
I MARRIED AN ANGEL(1942) MacDonald & Eddy
THE KISSING BANDIT(1948) Frank Sinatra, Kathryn Grayson
THREE DARING DAUGHTERS(1948) Jeanette MacDonald, Jane Powell
WORDS AND MUSIC(1948) Mickey Rooney, Tom Drake *
THREE LITTLE WORDS(1950) Fred Astaire, Red Skelton *
TWO WEEKS WITH LOVE(1950) Jane Powell, Debbie Reynolds
RICH, YOUNG AND PRETTY(1951) Jane Powell, Danielle Darrieux
THE BELLE OF NEW YORK(1952) Fred Astaire, Vera-Ellen
THE MERRY WIDOW(1952) Lana Turner, Fernando Lamas
EVERYTHING I HAVE IS YOURS(1952) Marge & Gower Champion
DANGEROUS WHEN WET(1953) Esther Williams, Fernando Lamas *
GIVE A GIRL A BREAK(1953) Marge & Gower Champion, Debbie Reynolds
I LOVE MELVIN(1953) Donald O'Connor, Debbie Reynolds
JUPITER'S DARLING(1955) Esther Williams, Howard Keel *
GUN GLORY(1957) Stewart Granger, Rhonda Fleming

I've asterisked the ones I think have realistic shots at Blu-ray release. But, of course, I'd welcome any of them (plus of course a mountain of other MGM goodies I couldn't fit into my top 25).
 

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I'd love Man, Woman and Sin even in DVD! I saw it in '74 at MoMA in a 35mm print and never again. It was my second and last exposure to Jeanne Eagels. I crave more!
Also add the King Vidor silent version of Peg O'My Heart with Laurette Taylor (also shown at MoMA). It's quite good. You actually believe Taylor is a young woman via her impeccable acting and careful lighting.
 

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I'd love Man, Woman and Sin even in DVD! I saw it in '74 at MoMA in a 35mm print and never again. It was my second and last exposure to Jeanne Eagels. I crave more!
Also add the King Vidor silent version of Peg O'My Heart with Laurette Taylor (also shown at MoMA). It's quite good. You actually believe Taylor is a young woman via her impeccable acting and careful lighting.
I guess it was in the 70's that I saw "Man, Woman and Sin" as well - at a long-gone repertory cinema in Toronto. I've never forgotten how sensational Eagels was in it. Her performance in "The Letter" (talkie, 1929) seemed to indicate she'd have thrived in sound films. A pity she didn't live to do a talking version of "Rain". The 1932 Joan Crawford film's excellent. But Sadie Thompson was Eagels' signature role, one she'd perfected on stage. And I can imagine she'd have been pretty electrifying bringing it to the screen.

Didn't even know that a Laurette Taylor version of "Peg O'My Heart" was filmed. And by King Vidor, no less! Sounds like a must-see. Marion Davies' 1933 version is thoroughly charming, her best talkie, I'd say.
 

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I guess it was in the 70's that I saw "Man, Woman and Sin" as well - at a long-gone repertory cinema in Toronto. I've never forgotten how sensational Eagels was in it. Her performance in "The Letter" (talkie, 1929) seemed to indicate she'd have thrived in sound films. A pity she didn't live to do a talking version of "Rain". The 1932 Joan Crawford film's excellent. But Sadie Thompson was Eagels' signature role, one she'd perfected on stage. And I can imagine she'd have been pretty electrifying bringing it to the screen.

Didn't even know that a Laurette Taylor version of "Peg O'My Heart" was filmed. And by King Vidor, no less! Sounds like a must-see. Marion Davies' 1933 version is thoroughly charming, her best talkie, I'd say.
Vidor directed Taylor in 2 films; the other being Happiness. Both were shown at MoMA during the Vidor retrospective. She was excellent in both. We should be grateful to have something of Taylor. Her legendary Glass Menagerie performance is but a legend by now.
MoMA showed a 35mm print of The Letter during the Paramount retro in 1972. The print, and Eagels, were both stunning. I had already seen the Wyler version, but the final line was even more impactful in the 1929 version.