Alien: Covenant UHD Review

Beautifully produced but very familiar entry in the Alien franchise. 3.5 Stars

Offering the origin story of its infamously designed and executed creatures, Ridley Scott’s Alien: Covenant offers a few surprises while mainly covering some very well-trod and overly familiar ground.

Alien: Covenant (2017)
Released: 19 May 2017
Rated: R
Runtime: 122 min
Director: Ridley Scott
Genre: Horror, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Cast: Michael Fassbender, Katherine Waterston, Billy Crudup, Danny McBride
Writer(s): Dan O'Bannon (based on characters created by), Ronald Shusett (based on characters created by), Jack Paglen (story by), Michael Green (story by), John Logan (screenplay), Dante Harper (screenplay)
Plot: The crew of a colony ship, bound for a remote planet, discover an uncharted paradise with a threat beyond their imagination, and must attempt a harrowing escape.
IMDB rating: 6.7
MetaScore: 65

Disc Information
Studio: Fox
Distributed By: N/A
Video Resolution: 2160p HEVC w/HDR
Aspect Ratio: 2.40:1
Audio: Dolby Atmos, Spanish 5.1 DD, French 5.1 DTS
Subtitles: English SDH, Spanish, French
Rating: R
Run Time: 2 Hr. 2 Min.
Package Includes: UHD, Blu-ray, Digital Copy
Case Type: keep case in a slipcover
Disc Type: UHD
Region: All
Release Date: 08/15/2017
MSRP: $39.99

The Production: 3/5

When Ridley Scott premiered his brilliant Alien in 1979, he was completely unconcerned with explaining the origins of such fearsome creatures. His subsequent movies in this universe, Prometheus and now Alien: Covenant, endeavor to provide such an explanation. But Scott was right from the beginning. The story of their origin isn’t nearly as captivating or horrifying as the simple shock of their existence. Alien: Covenant, for all its technical wizardry and mind-blowing special effects, mines overly familiar territory now completely exhausted for its scares while its elaborate and somewhat sad backstory fails to entrance.

Interrupted from a years-long trek to Origae-6 to begin a new human colony by a solar flare that damages systems on the spaceship Covenant, its fifteen-person crew awakened seven years too early to deal with the malfunctions is distressed to learn that its captain (James Franco) has perished during the accident putting man-of-faith Oram (Billy Crudup) in command of the ship with Daniels (Katherine Waterston) now his second-in-command. A rogue transmission from a nearby planet that can support human life intrigues Oram enough to decide to land there and not send the crew back into hypersleep until the world can be explored to see if perhaps the colony can be situated there instead of Origae-6. The beautiful, ethereal world, however, shows no signs of bird or animal activity, and some spores released accidentally from some plants result in the formation of some fierce creatures with destruction on their minds. A synthetic named David (Michael Fassbender), the only survivor from the ship Prometheus which had landed here a decade earlier and a seeming duplicate for the Covenant’s own synthetic Walter (Michael Fassbender), appears to offer the survivors sanctuary, but David has some surprises in store for the crew who only want to get off of the planet as fast as they can.

The John Logan-Dante Harper screenplay mixes philosophical diatribes about civilization and the worth of the individual (when your screenwriters use Percy Shelley’s “Ozymandias” as their touchstone and quote it in the movie, you know the film is interested in more than just horror) with the patented and alarming shocks and gore that one expects from any movie in the Alien franchise. Between frequent aliens bursting from the bodies of the crew (the spore-based aliens burst from the spinal cord and appear to be a somewhat different species from the more familiar facehugger-induced creatures which rip through the stomach), these very naïve crew members are pretty much led down the garden path by David, and none of them (apart from his doppelganger Walter) seem the least bit mistrustful or suspicious. Without the obnoxious bravado of the more militaristic crews from previous Alien adventures, these less combative humans (many of them coupled to further the colonization on their new planet but a bad idea in times of trouble since naturally separated pairs are going to be interested in their own spouses rather than what’s good for the mission) are like lambs to the slaughter. Sadly, the script doesn’t use its early scenes before the scares commence in endearing these people to the viewer making their successive deaths register with less emotional heft than they might have. Director Ridley Scott knows how to keep the action moving once the attacks begin, but the film’s big climactic twist can be seen coming from a mile away and is a really disappointing wrap-up for this Alien installment. (Allegedly, Scott has two more films planned that will bring us full circle to the beginning of Alien, but the lukewarm box-office take of this outing may quash those plans utterly.)

Michael Fassbender receives and earns his top billing etching two distinctly different personas for his synthetic clones David and Walter. Katherine Waterston is meant to be this film’s version of Ripley, but the actress is a fair ways behind the fierce and completely identifiable character so notably intoned by Sigourney Weaver. Billy Crudup’s Christopher Oram mentions his religious orientation on several occasions, but the screenwriters don’t really do much of anything with his faith making one wonder the reason for its inclusion from the outset (unless it’s to suggest that his innate faith and trusting nature are what led to his destruction; highly unlikely). Danny McBride as the good ol’ boy Tennessee does the best job of establishing a character (aside from Fassbender’s Walter, that is) that we want to root for. The other cast members played by Demian Bichir, Carmen Ejogo, Jussie Smollett, Callie Hernandez, Amy Seimetz, Benjamin Rigby, Nathaniel Dean, Tess Haubrich, and Uli Latukefu never really establish strong characters in their on-screen encounters. Guy Pearce and James Franco make brief but enjoyable cameos.

Video: 5/5

3D Rating: NA

The film’s theatrical aspect ratio of 2.40:1 is faithfully rendered in this 2160p transfer using the HEVC codec. Sharpness is really exceptional in this ultra high definition transfer with close-ups revealing facial features and details in costumes and hair that provide almost too much information. Color is wonderfully controlled and yet vivid when necessary in the back-and-forth nature of the storytelling. HDR is especially noticeable in the placid sequence that opens the movie with a bright, spare, and unsettling environment, but bright highlights appear effectively throughout the movie. Black levels are excellent. The movie has been divided into 24 chapters.

Audio: 5/5

The Dolby Atmos sound mix (decoded to the Dolby TrueHD 7.1 core on my equipment) provides a thrilling environmental expanse whether on board the Covenant or on the planet where aliens are lurking. There are plenty of panning effects across and through the soundstage, and the spectacular use of the LFE channel gives a real heft to many of the most suspenseful scenes in the movie. Jed Kurzel’s music gets the full surround treatment in the fronts and rears. Dialogue has been rooted to the center channel.

Special Features: 4/5

Audio Commentary: director Ridley Scott provides the commentary for the movie, available on both the UHD and Blu-ray discs enclosed in the set. There is too much description by Scott of what’s on the screen and too few recollections and anecdotes about the actual filming process.

The remaining bonus material is contained on the enclosed Blu-ray disc:

Deleted/Extended Scenes (17:37, HD): twelve scenes may be viewed separately or together in montage.

Meet Walter (2:20, HD): a short infomercial detailing how Walter is constructed.

Phobos (9:09, HD): various members of the Covenant crew are given stress tests about handling fear.

The Last Supper (4:37, HD): the crew of the Covenant parties together one last time before entering hypersleep.

The Crossing (2:34, HD): the backstory of Elizabeth Shaw and David.

Advent (6:41, HD): David’s video diary of his activities on the planet.

David’s Illustrations (HD): step through galleries of five sets of illustrations of David’s mutations of the creature.

Master Class: Ridley Scott (55:30, HD): somewhat mistitled, this is the “making of” featurette for the film. In it, cast and crew discuss the movie’s aims, its themes, the characters and the cast who play them, the sets, and the array of creatures who inhabit this world. Speaking about these aspects of the production are director Ridley Scott, producer Mark Huffam, writers John Logan and Dante Harper, production designer Chris Seagers, costume designer Janty Yates, director of photography Dariusz Wolski, visual effects supervisor Charley Henley and special effects supervisor Neil Corbould, and actors Michael Fassbender, Katherine Waterston, Billy Crudup, Danny McBride, Demian Bichir, Carmen Ejogo, Callie Hernandez, Amy Seimetz, Uli Latukefu, and James Franco.

Production Gallery (HD): step-through galleries with hundreds of photos in four categories: Ridley Scott’s storyboards, Conceptual Art, Creatures, and Logos & Patches.

Theatrical Trailers (2:26, 2:04, HD): must be viewed individually.

Blu-ray/Digital Copy: disc and code sheet enclosed in the case.

Overall: 3.5/5

Offering the origin story of its infamously designed and executed creatures, Ridley Scott’s Alien: Covenant offers a few surprises while mainly covering some very well-trod and overly familiar ground. The UHD release offers exceptional picture quality and powerful Dolby Atmos sound to delight fans of the franchise.

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59 Comments

  1. Indeed, I think you nailed the film's strengths and pitfalls in your review, Matt. Alien film's are among the few movies that I will ALWAYS head out to the cinema to see, and like Tino, I enjoyed this one more than most. I purchased the UHD version even though I am not set up for it to be ready for when I am. And I can't wait.

  2. Neil Middlemiss

    …and like Tino, I enjoyed this one more than most.

    Alot of folks here at HTF liked it (myself included) so I was surprised to see the hate for it in other places (online, critics, people in the real world) that I encountered.

  3. As a big fan of Ridley Scott I could not bring myself to go to the cinema to see this one after the disappointment I felt seeing Prometheus. I still have not seen it and am still debating if I want to and I really don't feel I should purchase it now based on the probability that I will regret having bought it once I have seen it.

    What you mention in your review, that this film and Prometheus are about providing "explanations", is what I find to be the greatest downfall of these pictures. We did not need these explanations and they, in my opinion, greatly detract from the experience.

    The thing I most hoped they would not do…

    Spoiler: SPOLIER

    …is exactly where they went and though I know they were not thinking of me when they did this it sure seems like the idea was to alienate me (see what I did there) from this franchise.

    Honestly, I am glad others enjoy this stuff and I am happy you can continue to enjoy these films…but I think I have permanently checked out of this series. I'll watch the first film and Aliens and pretend the rest of this never happened.

  4. Reggie W

    As a big fan of Ridley Scott I could not bring myself to go to the cinema to see this one after the disappointment I felt seeing Prometheus. I still have not seen it and am still debating if I want to and I really don't feel I should purchase it now based on the probability that I will regret having bought it once I have seen it.

    What you mention in your review, that this film and Prometheus are about providing "explanations", is what I find to be the greatest downfall of these pictures. We did not need these explanations and they, in my opinion, greatly detract from the experience.

    The thing I most hoped they would not do…

    Spoiler: SPOLIER

    …is exactly where they went and though I know they were not thinking of me when they did this it sure seems like the idea was to alienate me (see what I did there) from this franchise.

    Honestly, I am glad others enjoy this stuff and I am happy you can continue to enjoy these films…but I think I have permanently checked out of this series. I'll watch the first film and Aliens and pretend the rest of this never happened.

    The information in your spoiler is wrong. You have been misled.

    And please let's not turn this into another Prometheus bashing thread.

  5. TravisR

    Alot of folks here at HTF liked it (myself included) so I was a little surprised to see the hate for it in other places (online, critics, people in the real world) that I encountered.

    Most critics (71%) liked it.

  6. My disc (regular BD) arrived and I hope to watch it soon. I enjoyed my theatrical showing, but the presentation was seriously compromised by both technical presentation issues and audience behavior issues, so I'm looking forward to seeing this at home without any distractions or issues.

  7. Tino

    The information in your spoiler is wrong. You have been misled.

    And please let's not turn this into another Prometheus bashing thread.

    OK, I could have been easily misled because I have not seen the film and it seemed that much of what I saw about it was…

    Spoiler: SPOILER

    And come on, man, if I am saying I don't like or don't want to watch these films that is not bashing anything.

  8. Reggie W

    OK, I could have been easily misled because I have not seen the film and it seemed that much of what I saw about it was…

    Spoiler: SPOILER

    And come on, man, if I am saying I don't like or don't want to watch these films that is not bashing anything.

    You have not seen the film, so any information about the intent of the film is second-hand. I get you've read reviews and you saw the previous film and figure you won't like this one. Still, do you really feel you've got an informed right to explain why you don't like this film? I think you've got a credibility gap there…huuuuge gap.

  9. Johnny Angell

    You have not seen the film, so any information about the intent of the film is second-hand. I get you've read reviews and you saw the previous film and figure you won't like this one. Still, do you really feel you've got an informed right to explain why you don't like this film? I think you've got a credibility gap there…huuuuge gap.

    Not at all, mainly because I did not explain why I did not like Covenant. I only stated that I have not seen it and have been debating if I want to see it at all. I can't explain why I don't like something I have not seen. I can say I have reservations about watching it and what causes me to have those reservations. That's all I did.

    As I said if I was misinformed about the film by others that have wrote about it I accept that and…

    Spoiler: SPOILER

    Then great that at least causes me to be a bit more intrigued about the picture and may cause me to give it a shot at some point.

  10. This was my most frustrating trip to the cinema so far this year. Prometheus is a far more ambitious and satisfying picture than what Covenant turned out to be. It’s a side-show of a story that abandons all the achievements of its predecessor. Its two greatest sins are its token messy fate of Elizabeth Shaw and the shockingly lackluster screen entrance of the egg.

  11. Tino

    I never said what is in your spoiler. Just that you've been misled. Either see the film or don't if you want the whole story. Some of what you said is true. Most is not.

    I agree that if I want to post my thoughts on Covenant I need to watch it first. Right now the film is a curiosity for me and only the second Ridley Scott film I have not seen in a theater…the other being G.I. Jane which just did not appeal to me when I saw the trailers.

    As Covenant is a "sort of" sequel to a film I really did not like and a "sort of" prequel to a film I love and a "sort of" do over attempting to get things back to Xenos after stating he was done with Xenos when he made Prometheus, made by a filmmaker whose work I tend to really enjoy…well…as you can imagine I am a bit torn about if I should watch it.

    This is why I have read some reviews and also in looking at maybe purchasing the film on blu-ray saw comments about the film and special features…so I admit reading these comments or promotional materials has been part of the information I have weighed in going back and forth on it. At this stage in my life I have just lost patience with watching a film that I find horrible and do not want to waste my time or money (because there seems to be so many blu-ray releases I do want to purchase coming out) on doing this.

    I also find it interesting (and disappointing obviously) when a director I like makes a film I really find…well…terrible. I am very much looking forward to seeing All the Money in the World and if he does it Battle of Britain.

    So, I know I now have a reputation as a "hater" and any entry by me about a Scott Alien sequel or prequel is likely to be greeted with trepidation, can I just be clear I do not hate Mr. Scott and I do not "hate" his work…I just really found one of his films to be dreadful (NOTE: That is my opinion). I am also a fan of William Friedkin but I find his return to horror The Guardian to be an awful picture.

    The problem for me is if I like the director I am going to be very tempted to watch whatever he makes. So, I am tempted to give Covenant a shot, because it is Scott, but I know I really disliked his last entry in the Alien franchise and I can't stand all of these explanations they seem obsessed with giving. Were this film made by somebody else I would not even be giving it any thought and would have just skipped it entirely.

  12. Reggie W

    The problem for me is if I like the director I am going to be very tempted to watch whatever he makes. So, I am tempted to give Covenant a shot, because it is Scott, but I know I really disliked his last entry in the Alien franchise and I can't stand all of these explanations they seem obsessed with giving. Were this film made by somebody else I would not even be giving it any thought and would have just skipped it entirely.

    Covenant has little in common with Prometheus. After all the complaints about Prometheus, it's like they decided to loosely remake the first movie and just have the alien running around killing people because they knew it would sell more tickets. That probably sounds more harsh than I intend since I don't mind seeing a movie where the alien just kills people but they did drop the bigger ideas that were presented in Prometheus.

  13. Reggie W

    I agree that if I want to post my thoughts on Covenant I need to watch it first. Right now the film is a curiosity for me and only the second Ridley Scott film I have not seen in a theater…the other being G.I. Jane which just did not appeal to me when I saw the trailers.

    As Covenant is a "sort of" sequel to a film I really did not like and a "sort of" prequel to a film I love and a "sort of" do over attempting to get things back to Xenos after stating he was done with Xenos when he made Prometheus, made by a filmmaker whose work I tend to really enjoy…well…as you can imagine I am a bit torn about if I should watch it.

    This is why I have read some reviews and also in looking at maybe purchasing the film on blu-ray saw comments about the film and special features…so I admit reading these comments or promotional materials has been part of the information I have weighed in going back and forth on it. At this stage in my life I have just lost patience with watching a film that I find horrible and do not want to waste my time or money (because there seems to be so many blu-ray releases I do want to purchase coming out) on doing this.

    I also find it interesting (and disappointing obviously) when a director I like makes a film I really find…well…terrible. I am very much looking forward to seeing All the Money in the World and if he does it Battle of Britain.

    So, I know I now have a reputation as a "hater" and any entry by me about a Scott Alien sequel or prequel is likely to be greeted with trepidation, can I just be clear I do not hate Mr. Scott and I do not "hate" his work…I just really found one of his films to be dreadful (NOTE: That is my opinion). I am also a fan of William Friedkin but I find his return to horror The Guardian to be an awful picture.

    The problem for me is if I like the director I am going to be very tempted to watch whatever he makes. So, I am tempted to give Covenant a shot, because it is Scott, but I know I really disliked his last entry in the Alien franchise and I can't stand all of these explanations they seem obsessed with giving. Were this film made by somebody else I would not even be giving it any thought and would have just skipped it entirely.

    I don't think you have a reputation as a hater at all Reggie.

    You do have a reputation of frequently stating your opinions as though they were facts however. I think that is what ruffled a few feathers. Not your dislike of Prometheus.

  14. TravisR

    Covenant has little in common with Prometheus. After all the complaints about Prometheus, it's like they decided to loosely remake the first movie and just have the alien running around killing people because they knew it would sell more tickets. That probably sounds more harsh than I intend since I don't mind seeing a movie where the alien just kills people but they did drop the bigger ideas that were presented in Prometheus.

    Yes, to me they seem to be trying to "course correct" too much here.

    First it was "Well, nobody in the franchise has touched on the big guy in the seat. The Xeno is cooked with an orange in his mouth."

    So, they decide to do a film "explaining" who the big guy in the seat is. Then the complaints pour in but I don't think the issue was that they wanted to do a film about the big guy in the seat it was that you dropped the key things that made Alien great…it was mysterious and very strange. The creatures in the film were not explained. They were mysterious and strange…and of course dangerous. I don't think people liked that the big guy in the seat was really a smaller bald super white dude that is…well…mankind's daddy.

    "They are us!"

    Well, except without a tan and obviously a very nice gym and personal trainer.

    So, then we get "Oh well, let's go back to the Xeno." which to me seems like a corporate decision to go back to what they think will sell, the monster. Space ship picks up strange signal, goes to investigate, monsters kill most of them. Really? Problem here is everybody knows you already did this better in the first film and smartly without trying to tack on an explanation of who or what made the Xenos.

    All the while people keep complaining about the characters in these films and how bad they are…but that would seem to be because these later films are not about the human characters at all so of course they are just throwaway nonsense. These films are about monsters and androids…those are the feature characters in the films it seems. Again though, this is not what people who liked the first couple of Alien films really expected because they did create characters in those first two pictures you had an interest in.

    Now the films seem stuck in this "We need to explain everything and have more monsters and androids." phase. I think that will play to dwindling returns.

  15. Reggie

    I suggest either watching Covenant and coming back in here to discuss or bow out of this thread. No use in discussing a film you haven't seen right? And I think you have made your feelings about Prometheus abundantly clear already.

  16. I was more disappointed in Guardians 2 than Covenant. In fact I thought it was extremely well made and satisfying- and Fassbender should get an Oscar nom.
    But wasn’t this also released in 3D? WHERE IS THAT VERSION? SHAME. Does anyone know if a 3Dimport will happen?

    1. Ooops! For some reason I thought it was. It was Kong that I saw in 2d and now want to see the 3D version. Sorry for the slip up. I still liked Covenant very much even though I will only have Prometheus in 3D in my collection.

  17. Tino is correct.

    Unlike Prometheus, which was shot in native 3D, Covenant was planned for and shot in 2D. Scott said in an American Cinematographer interview that the studio was initially against shooting the film in 3D for financial reasons, but once they saw the finished 2D movie, wished that it had been made in 3D.

  18. Josh Steinberg

    Scott said in an American Cinematographer interview that the studio was initially against shooting the film in 3D for financial reasons…

    I'm guessing that a big reason was the R rating and the money they'd not make with having it be rated PG-13.

  19. Josh Steinberg

    Tino is correct.

    Unlike Prometheus, which was shot in native 3D, Covenant was planned for and shot in 2D. Scott said in an American Cinematographer interview that the studio was initially against shooting the film in 3D for financial reasons, but once they saw the finished 2D movie, wished that it had been made in 3D.

    Sadly Covenant would have been more effective in 3D than Prometheus was I believe.

  20. Johnny Angell

    I thought Prometheus was great 3D, so by your lights Covenant would have been fabulous 3D. Ah, what might have been.

    Prometheus was great 3D. If Covenant had been conceived and shot in 3D, I believe it would have been an even more immersive experience had that occurred.

  21. Thanks for the review. I would suggest that you include some information that some might consider a spoiler

    Spoiler

    Otherwise regarding the point Reggie brought up, IMO and based on only one viewing

    Spoiler
  22. Ushabye

    This was my most frustrating trip to the cinema so far this year. Prometheus is a far more ambitious and satisfying picture than what Covenant turned out to be. It's a side-show of a story that abandons all the achievements of its predecessor. Its two greatest sins are its token messy fate of Elizabeth Shaw and the shockingly lackluster screen entrance of the egg.

    And the fact that the movie was flat 2D only.

  23. Tino

    Reggie

    I suggest either watching Covenant and coming back in here to discuss or bow out of this thread. No use in discussing a film you haven't seen right? And I think you have made your feelings about Prometheus abundantly clear already.

    Well, I ended up seeing Covenant last night. I thought it was a much better film than Prometheus I can say that. I have to say though that…

    Spoiler: SPOILER

    However, Fassbender is excellent in this and very funny. I do disagree with the things that I read that said the characters in this film were "stupid" as basically I don't think that is true they were just very unprepared for what they were going to encounter. Many of the issues with Prometheus I think they fixed in this picture and humorously openly addressed them. I also thought this film played sort of as a greatest hits package from Ridley Scott.

    So, now if they make another one of these they need to…

    Spoiler: SPOILER
  24. WillG

    Otherwise regarding the point Reggie brought up, IMO and based on only one viewing

    Spoiler

    OK so…

    Spoiler: SPOILER

    All of that is pretty sloppy. Consider this though as a bit of retro engineering…

    Spoiler: SPOILER

    Consider this too…

    Spoiler: SPOILER
  25. Is it possible that nothing was logically thought out for these movies and no strict cannon was ever thought out? Maybe the objective each time was to simply make a good sci fi/horror flick that would make money, and that had enough of a link to the previous films to build an audience.

  26. TJPC

    Is it possible that nothing was logically thought out for these movies and no strict cannon was ever thought out? Maybe the objective each time was to simply make a good sci fi/horror flick that would make money, and that had enough of a link to the previous films to build an audience.

    I do think this is basically the case with different writers working on the different films and Covenant sort of being a response to repair the issues of Prometheus. I also think these two films serve more as a reboot of the "universe" than films that connect at all with the original Alien. It is more like a group of tales told in the same "universe" than it is a group of films meant to connect to each other and have a coherent arc.

    It is also evident that David has become the main character of these new pictures and would remain so going forward. It was pretty darn good seeing him as a total psychotic loon in Covenant that is on a major killing spree. What I kept thinking was a far better series of films would have been just to focus on David and the mayhem he was creating as he travels through space and to forget any connection at all to Alien. The way this second picture ends to me the focus of the third picture should be David and his continued descent into madness, mayhem, and murder. He's the universe's greatest genocidal maniac happily experimenting on human beings and wiping out alien races while singing show tunes.

    It's bat shit crazy but it is fun. Plus the Xeno can't hold a candle to David in these films. The Xeno has basically become one of David's pets and he can let it off it's leash whenever he chooses.

  27. I just got this in the mail the other day and haven't watched it yet, but – and this applies to many shrink-wrapped blu-rays – how is it possible that these discs still come with the wrapping glued to the side of the spine, so that it essentially never comes off? Hasn't anyone learned anything in 20 years of selling these things?

  28. Reggie W
    Spoiler: SPOILER

    It makes sense that the synth…artificial people of the Alien universe would find the xenomorphs fascinating (even the "kind hearted" Bishop did). First right off bat they would see humans as deeply flawed (David expressed the idea of being disappointed in his creator). They're scientifically minded. They're advanced enough to be able to replicate human emotions but they clearly see them as a liability. Then a xenomorph comes along and just as Ash puts it "perfect organism…a survivor…structural perfection is matched only by its hostility…free from any delusion of conscience or morality….I admire its purity."

    "I also think these two films serve more as a reboot of the "universe" than films that connect at all with the original Alien"

    The only problem is that is a direct contradiction to what Ridley repeatedly stated.

  29. I would say they most certainly are a reboot that also do not yet connect to the original Alien and it is questionable if they ever will.

    Ridley is…and this will get me in trouble…an unreliable source. 😆

  30. Reggie W

    I would say they most certainly are a reboot that also do not yet connect to the original Alien and it is questionable if they ever will.

    Ridley is…and this will get me in trouble…an unreliable source. 😆

    In your opinion.

    *sigh*

  31. With the number of times we have gone over the "opinion" thing I am pretty sure everybody is clear that when I write something or when you write something or when Robert writes something each of us is expressing their own thoughts unless we clarify that these are not our thoughts and are the thoughts of somebody else.

    OK, I do get it…a lot of the time when I write something here some people feel I tend to express things in a "definitive" manner that is annoying or exasperating. Again, I apologize if this is what I have done as I don't mean to annoy or exasperate.

    Why do I feel Prometheus and Covenant are more a "reboot" of the Alien "universe" than anything else…

    1. The films do not at all have any connection to the first film nor do they need to as they are telling totally different stories with different casts and characters with no reference to anybody in the original film. There really is no requirement these films connect with the first picture…and so far they don't.

    2. In these first two films David the android has surfaced as the main character and central figure that is basically driving what happens and where this tale is going. These first two films really are about David and his journey. Everything revolves around him. All other characters are diminished, including the Xeno, to tell the tale of David. This makes sense if you are attempting to tell a story that spans many decades and Covenant states this right at the top of the film. David knows and says he will outlive Weyland…and quite obviously all the other characters in these films. Hence, these first two films have placed David at the center of this "universe."

    3. No attempt was made to retro fit these new films to what we see in Alien. Instead, and people could argue wisely, they reboot the universe to today's standards…both in look and feel and of course how the films are made and edited. I realize some people complain about this but it allows the filmmakers to start over and not have to worry about matching things to Alien. Ridely and his fellow filmmakers want to be free of having to limit themselves to attempting to match things to a film from 1979 so abandoned that to instead reboot…it gives them more freedom for wherever they want to go. I believe they chose to do "prequels" so they did not need to deal with all the baggage of the films that came after Alien. They got a fresh start.

    4. Consider how old those of us that saw Alien in the time frame when it came out currently are…I'm 50. I can tell you right now even though Ridley is older than I he is not making these films to appeal to "original fans" as that would be a demographic of at least 45 and over…that is not the sweet spot for movie marketing. Makes more sense for a studio to reboot for the 16-30 crowd and you will still draw us 50-80 year old folks that enjoyed the original film. That's exactly what they did.

    I do not say any of this as a knock on the films…in fact I liked and enjoyed Covenant…I say it because this is so far what has happened.

  32. Tino

    His….IF it was presented as opinion.

    It's a long story Robert but Reggie knows what I'm talking about.

    I know what you're talking about as I followed your past discussions with Reggie. If I was Reggie, I wouldn't appreciate you trying to tell me how to express my thoughts and opinions. So I don't use "IMO" when expressing any opinion and you take exception to me presenting those opinions like they're facts. If I was Reggie, I'll continue to do so just to bug you and basically tell you, "tough", get over it.

    Anyhow, I'll let you and Reggie continue your back and forth. My stated "opinion" on the matter is just my personal thought and shouldn't be taken as an official rebuff to you.:) All's cool, carry on!:cool:

  33. Reggie W

    1. The films do not at all have any connection to the first film nor do they need to as they are telling totally different stories with different casts and characters with no reference to anybody in the original film. There really is no requirement these films connect with the first picture…and so far they don't.

    Early on in the commentary, I believe that Scott says that they want to make 2 more movies and the second would connect right into Alien. Given the at best OK box office of Covenant, I don't know if that will actually happen.

    I have to say that the set design of Alien, Prometheus and Alien: Covenant helps connect those movies in a nice way. Yes, there's holograms and the monitors are better in the current movies but the interiors of the ships all look similar enough to feel like I'm watching a movie that is in the same world as Alien.

  34. Robert Crawford

    I know what you're talking about as I followed your past discussions with Reggie. If I was Reggie, I wouldn't appreciate you trying to tell me how to express my thoughts and opinions. So I don't use "IMO" when expressing any opinion and you take exception to me presenting those opinions like they're facts. If I was Reggie, I'll continue to do so just to bug you and basically tell you, "tough", get over it.

    Anyhow, I'll let you and Reggie continue your back and forth. My stated "opinion" on the matter is just my personal thought and shouldn't be taken as an official rebuff to you.:) All's cool, carry on!:cool:

    I'm pretty sure Reggie knows its all in good humor and no offense is intended.

    But like you said. It's also just my personal opinion. Of course People can express themselves any way they like. Carry on indeed. 🙂

  35. I take no offense and have no bad feelings toward anybody.

    I do laugh every time Tino reminds me I am actually expressing my own opinion as at this stage it has become "Who's on first?" type comedy. What can I say? I was taught not to use "in my opinion" unless I was trying to differentiate when stating somebody else's opinion and my own opinion…not to use it as a way of saying "OK, this is me speaking now." when it is obvious it is me speaking now.

    Perhaps I absorbed the lessons of my instructors a bit too well as this is why I typically do not say or write "In my opinion" or any variations of that…unless I am attempting comedy.

    To quote one instructor:

    Stating or writing "in my opinion" is disrespectful to your audience because it treats them as if they are too stupid to know you are expressing your own thoughts.

    Or as Robert says above:

    Robert Crawford

    Who's opinion would he be stating?

    So, don't take the way I say things as attempting to state "opinions as facts" but rather as an attempt not to be disrespectful to anybody that reads what I wrote.

    :cheers:

  36. Reggie W

    I take no offense and have no bad feelings toward anybody.

    I do laugh every time Tino reminds me I am actually expressing my own opinion as at this stage it has become "Who's on first?" type comedy. What can I say? I was taught not to use "in my opinion" unless I was trying to differentiate when stating somebody else's opinion and my own opinion…not to use it as a way of saying "OK, this is me speaking now." when it is obvious it is me speaking now.

    Perhaps I absorbed the lessons of my instructors a bit too well as this is why I typically do not say or write "In my opinion" or any variations of that…unless I am attempting comedy.

    To quote one instructor:

    Stating or writing "in my opinion" is disrespectful to your audience because it treats them as if they are too stupid to know you are expressing your own thoughts.

    Or as Robert says above:

    So, don't take the way I say things as attempting to state "opinions as facts" but rather as an attempt not to be disrespectful to anybody that reads what I wrote.

    :cheers:

    -_–_–_–_–_–_-

  37. Reggie W

    I would say they most certainly are a reboot that also do not yet connect to the original Alien and it is questionable if they ever will.

    Ridley is…and this will get me in trouble…an unreliable source. 😆

    Yeah, you're in trouble. Prometheus and Covenant are not reboots. They are leading up to the events in Alien. Look how the last two aliens in Covenant look like the alien in Alien. David took the Engineer pathogen and refined it. All he needed was a human to come up with the final Alien.

    Not a reboot.

  38. Johnny Angell

    Yeah, you're in trouble. Prometheus and Covenant are not reboots. They are leading up to the events in Alien. Look how the last two aliens in Covenant look like the alien in Alien. David took the Engineer pathogen and refined it. All he needed was a human to come up with the final Alien. Not a reboot.

    So, would you say Shaw is the mommy, David the daddy, and call the Xeno Junior?

  39. Johnny Angell

    Yeah, you're in trouble. Prometheus and Covenant are not reboots. They are leading up to the events in Alien. Look how the last two aliens in Covenant look like the alien in Alien. David took the Engineer pathogen and refined it. All he needed was a human to come up with the final Alien.

    Not a reboot.

    I think @Reggie W sort of has a point here. If Covenant ends up being the last Ridleyverse Alien film then that leaves a hell of a lot that would have to be filled in to get to "Alien" as Ridley insists he's doing. Which does kind of make it a soft reboot if it ends here.

    He says he has two more movies planned but I can't imagine there's anyway Fox is going to let him make 2 more at this point. They may let him make one more, but he's going to have to cram 2 movies worth of story into one and do it for cheaper than he did Covenant for.

  40. Reggie W

    I take no offense and have no bad feelings toward anybody.

    I do laugh every time Tino reminds me I am actually expressing my own opinion as at this stage it has become "Who's on first?" type comedy. What can I say? I was taught not to use "in my opinion" unless I was trying to differentiate when stating somebody else's opinion and my own opinion…not to use it as a way of saying "OK, this is me speaking now." when it is obvious it is me speaking now.

    Perhaps I absorbed the lessons of my instructors a bit too well as this is why I typically do not say or write "In my opinion" or any variations of that…unless I am attempting comedy.

    To quote one instructor:

    Stating or writing "in my opinion" is disrespectful to your audience because it treats them as if they are too stupid to know you are expressing your own thoughts.

    Or as Robert says above:

    So, don't take the way I say things as attempting to state "opinions as facts" but rather as an attempt not to be disrespectful to anybody that reads what I wrote.

    :cheers:

    I have a question Reggie

    On second thought……never mind.

  41. WillG

    I think @Reggie W sort of has a point here. If Covenant ends up being the last Ridleyverse Alien film then that leaves a hell of a lot that would have to be filled in to get to "Alien" as Ridley insists he's doing. Which does kind of make it a soft reboot if it ends here.

    He says he has two more movies planned but I can't imagine there's anyway Fox is going to let him make 2 more at this point. They may let him make one more, but he's going to have to cram 2 movies worth of story into one and do it for cheaper than he did Covenant for.

    Who knows what will happen. We leave Covenant with the the Alien of Alien already built. All that has to be accomplished to set the able for Alien is for the Engineers to crash land on LV-426 with a boatload of eggs. One movie could accomplish that.

    If there are no more movies, to me, Prometheus and Covenant will still not be reboots, but there will be a missing link in the evolution of the Alien. Perhaps in another 100 years the missing link will be discovered. 😉

  42. Its not a reboot in the strictest sense, in that hes not remaking the first film.

    But in a more subtle way hes using modern technology to revisit a universe last seen 20 years ago. And the continuity doesn't match up, so its not quite a direct prequel.

    I would call it more of a franchise reboot. He's telling a new story in a known universe.

    I guess since the original was "truckers in space," they might not have had the latest newest ships and systems. But the cry chamber in covenant with touch screen window and body suit seems light years ahead of the pods from alien that only required underwear to be worn.

    And the aforementioned hologram from a thumb drive.

    And the most jarring scene for me was the opening. It was such a sterile environment. Compared to the dirt and grit so evident in the original quadrilogy.

    As Reggie mentioned earlier, these films seem more interested in telling David's story than anything else. So I don't see them as tieing in to Alien, though eventually they may.

    So I guess I'm not sure what to call Prometheus/Covenant. But reboot works for me.

  43. sleroiIts not a reboot in the strictest sense, in that hes not remaking the first film.

    But in a more subtle way hes using modern technology to revisit a universe last seen 20 years ago. And the continuity doesn't match up, so its not quite a direct prequel.

    I would call it more of a franchise reboot.

    So I guess I'm not sure what to call Prometheus/Covenant. But reboot works for me.

    I feel that the two new "prequel" films do recycle a lot from the first film in terms of set pieces and story to the extent that they do seem a lot like remakes…or reboots. This would have been item 5 in my post about why these feel like reboots to me but I felt like I had already said that elsewhere.

    I do agree that it is basically the "franchise/universe" getting a reboot because they want to make the films more relevant for today's audience.

    Yes, Ridley claims that his intent was to "come in the back door" of Alien but I honestly do not see that happening. What these films are doing essentially is establishing David as the key player in the Alien universe. He is now responsible for the whole thing. So, that pretty much diminishes, for example, Ripley because all she is now is another character that fell victim to David's crazed experimenting.

    Plus I do believe that Ridley and his teams that make these films mostly are ignoring all of the Alien films that came after Alien…except perhaps for a little occasional inspiration. I don't think they care, for example, that in Aliens the eggs were not some mutant android creation…there was a "mother" alien that laid the eggs and Ripley fought the mother alien…that was sort of a big deal in that film.

    So, I don't think there is any "canon" in these films, just individual episodes. Just stuff made up by each team that hopefully makes a fun or exciting picture.

    Plus I would ask, how is it important that if Ridley gets to make two more of these that the last film "comes in the backdoor" of Alien? I mean what is there left to discover there? We know that the crew in Alien were just some sort of mining crew. We know the company planned to have them detour to the planet where they encounter the alien spacecraft. We know everybody dies except Ripley who then in the films that follow goes through a series of increasingly ridiculous scenarios.

    I mean these "prequel" films are basically just David's story which really does not at all matter to what happens in Alien except now for the fact that David developed the Xeno. So, what do we think the next two films are supposed to explain now?

    Just how the engineer ship full of eggs came to crash on the planet where the Nostromo crew encounters it? Do we need two movies for that? Do we need to see that at all?

    I mean honestly after seeing Covenant the most interesting character and most interesting arc to follow is David. Mostly just to see what sort of mayhem he comes up with next. I don't really need more backstory that "explains" anything about Alien.

  44. WillGI think @Reggie W sort of has a point here. If Covenant ends up being the last Ridleyverse Alien film then that leaves a hell of a lot that would have to be filled in to get to "Alien" as Ridley insists he's doing. Which does kind of make it a soft reboot if it ends here.

    He says he has two more movies planned but I can't imagine there's anyway Fox is going to let him make 2 more at this point. They may let him make one more, but he's going to have to cram 2 movies worth of story into one and do it for cheaper than he did Covenant for.

    I do think they could back Ridley making two more films simply because they love sequels and remakes so much. I think they would feel "safer" making two more Alien films than making two new science fiction films that are not from already well known "franchises."

    Hey, they are looking at making another Man From UNCLE film even though the first one was not a hit. So, until something changes I think they are full speed ahead on more, more, more of the same from any "brand name" item that audiences have already paid to see.

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