Alfred Hitchcock films in 4K??

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So Vertigo was screened in 4K last year..

https://www.seenit.co.uk/alfred-hitchcocks-vertigo-gets-4k-digital-restoration-to-mark-60th-anniversary/

is there any rumors or movement on some of his films coming to UHd Blu ray or 4K digital streaming?

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  1. darkrock17

    Psycho will most likely be the first 4K Hitchcock release, especially since next year is the film's 60th anniversary.

    thanks for the post!

    great point. Maybe we will get a few films next year then??

  2. Since Universal just released a new blu-ray boxset that contained all older, previously released masters, I doubt we’ll be seeing any 4K from them anytime in the near future, except possibly a one-off release like Psycho or Vertigo.

  3. JohnMor

    Since Universal just released a new blu-ray boxset that contained all older, previously released masters, I doubt we’ll be seeing any 4K from them anytime in the near future, except possibly a one-off release like Psycho or Vertigo.

    hopefully next year some of the films will come to UHd Blu Ray.

  4. This is a classic i have very much been interested in getting Vertigo but for some insane reason have never done so. I would love it if this movie was released on 4K blu-ray next year! Another title I would love in 4K is Psycho.

  5. Well, I was hoping for at least N×NW on its 60th this year. That one also at least has a good master. Maybe next year with Psycho. Universal really needs to overhaul their Hitchcock masters though. Most are horrendous.

  6. Brian9229

    Well, I was hoping for at least N×NW on its 60th this year. That one also at least has a good master. Maybe next year with Psycho. Universal really needs to overhaul their Hitchcock masters though. Most are horrendous.

    agreed. I’d love to pick them up in 4k

  7. Depending on the condition of the film elements, some scanned in 4K would do the trick, following with digital restoration techniques. There's very little that can't be addressed in digital restoration these days. Although in some cases, a full blown photo-chemical restoration would be warranted. Which is probably the case with The Man Who Knew Too Much. I can't even watch it as is now. Its maddening. Unfortunately, such restorations don't seem likely anytime soon, as far as I know. I'd really love a decent version of Family Plot though.

  8. Matt Hough

    Warners might give us North by Northwest since its Blu-ray master is so spectacular and seems to be in good shape. Would it being in VistaVision make getting a 4K scan more problematic?

    It was already scanned in 4k and in fact is also available as a 4k DCP, same as Vertigo and To Catch a Thief.
    If done right I will buy all three, hopefully soon.

  9. Matt Hough

    Warners might give us North by Northwest since its Blu-ray master is so spectacular and seems to be in good shape. Would it being in VistaVision make getting a 4K scan more problematic?

    Don't overlook those two very high quality Blu-ray discs of The Wrong Man and I Confess. (To my great shame, I don't remember how good is the Strangers On a Train Blu-ray disc. Obviously, it's time for a re-visit)

  10. Depending on the condition of the film elements, some scanned in 4K would do the trick, following with digital restoration techniques. There's very little that can't be addressed in digital restoration these days. Although in some cases, a full blown photo-chemical restoration would be warranted. Which is probably the case with The Man Who Knew Too Much. I can't even watch it as is now. Its maddening. Unfortunately, such restorations don't seem likely anytime soon, as far as I know. I'd really love a decent version of Family Plot though.

    I agree there is alot that can be done with digital restoration and My Fair Lady is a great example of what can be done. I am under the impression that they did some heavy restoration work to MFL when they did 8K scans! The blu-ray of that movie looks very good!

  11. The key UHD titles I would consider if available would be The 39 Steps, The Lady Vanishes, Rear Window, North by Northwest and of course To Catch a Thief. All of them toothsome delights. These are the titles I view most often.

  12. AnthonyClarke

    The key UHD titles I would consider if available would be The 39 Steps, The Lady Vanishes, Rear Window, North by Northwest and of course To Catch a Thief. All of them toothsome delights. These are the titles I view most often.

    agreed. I don’t think I would debut all of them. Just my favorites. Or what the bother to issue in UHd Blu Ray!!! : )

  13. AnthonyClarke

    The key UHD titles I would consider if available would be The 39 Steps, The Lady Vanishes, Rear Window, North by Northwest and of course To Catch a Thief. All of them toothsome delights. These are the titles I view most often.

    Why those two for 4K? The other titles I can agree with, but the those two earlier pre-Hollywood films aren't widely known so be odd to choose them for possible 4K releases.

  14. darkrock17

    Why those two for 4K? The other titles I can agree with, but the those two earlier pre-Hollywood films aren't widely known so be odd to choose them for possible 4K releases.

    Because some of us think they are way better than many of his more 'widely known' titles

  15. JohnMor

    Since Universal just released a new blu-ray boxset that contained all older, previously released masters, I doubt we’ll be seeing any 4K from them anytime in the near future, except possibly a one-off release like Psycho or Vertigo.

    I wouldn't see that box as anything meaningful. It's just a repackage and could be a last gasp to sell those BDs before they release remastered versions…

  16. David Weicker

    Because some of us think they are way better than many of his more 'widely known' titles

    What we think of two very old black and white Hitchcock movies is probably not going to make much of a difference for Universal. Added resolution compared to a regular Blu-ray would not really be an advantage here nor better colors plus these are not very well known to a larger audience. His later movies shot in VistaVision and of course Psycho and possibly The Birds are better candidates for a UHD release as they are popular and/or look very good.

  17. Keith Cobby

    My picks for UHD would be three of the VistaVision titles: North by Northwest (all time favourite film), Vertigo, To Catch Thief. White Christmas should also be a candidate.

    White Christmas isn't a Hitchcock film.

  18. darkrock17

    It's just a nice box of junk edition.

    Is there non-movie material in there or just a collection of already-released BDs?

    When I hear the phrase "box of junk", I think a package that includes stuff like toys or postcards or whatever, not one that just includes discs. Haven't paid any attention to the recent Hitch box so I have no idea what's in it!

  19. Colin Jacobson

    Is there non-movie material in there or just a collection of already-released BDs?

    When I hear the phrase "box of junk", I think a package that includes stuff like toys or postcards or whatever, not one that just includes discs. Haven't paid any attention to the recent Hitch box so I have no idea what's in it!

    This collection looks to be a re-release of a previous set called Hitchcock: The Ultimate Filmmaker Collection from 2013.

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  20. AnthonyClarke

    The key UHD titles I would consider if available would be The 39 Steps, The Lady Vanishes, Rear Window, North by Northwest and of course To Catch a Thief. All of them toothsome delights. These are the titles I view most often.

    The UK films, and most of those in the Colonies, were not produced 4k.

  21. David Weicker

    No 'films' were produced 4K. Films are analog. 4K is, by definition, a digital term.

    I’ll state it another way. None of those analogue productions have anywhere close to 4k resolution. The Blu-ray format is perfect for them.

  22. Robert Harris

    I’ll state it another way. None of those analogue productions have anywhere close to 4k resolution. The Blu-ray format is perfect for them.

    Thanks for pointing that out, Blu-ray is perfect imo for older 35mm black and white productions and as it seems that studios strongly limit the number of catalog UHD releases I would hope that these limited resources are put to better use than to release titles that have comparatively little to gain from the UHD format.

    At the same time we are still waiting for studios to finally start rolling out more large format productions from the roadshow era of the 50s and 60s in UHD. These are movies that would gain a lot more from being released in UHD and yet we are still waiting for Ben-Hur, Spartacus, Lawrence of Arabia, The Sound of Music, Oklahoma, Vertigo, North By Northwest or Hello Dolly to make it to UHD.

    I certainly would not have expected that only one of these movies would have been released 3 1/2 years into the format, so hopefully the studios will give us some of these titles in the near future, the wait has been long enough.

  23. OliverK

    . . . . At the same time we are still waiting for studios to finally start rolling out more large format productions from the roadshow era of the 50s and 60s in UHD. These are movies that would gain a lot more from being released in UHD and yet we are still waiting for Ben-Hur, Spartacus, Lawrence of Arabia, The Sound of Music, My Fair Lady, Oklahoma, Vertigo, North By Northwest or Hello Dolly to make it to UHD.

    In particular we are waiting with less and less patience for Sony to do whatever needs to be done with the elements for Barabbas and Lord Jim, both of which looked magnificent when I saw them on the big screen when they were new.

  24. Robin9

    In particular we are waiting with less and less patience for Sony to do whatever needs to be done with the elements for Barabbas and Lord Jim, both of which looked magnificent when I saw them on the big screen when they were new.

    I was lucky to be able see Lord Jim in 70mm quite recently but I believe I have never really watched Barabbas.
    So yes, both would be very welcome and my personal favorite among the two would be Barabbas.

  25. Lord Dalek

    So basically the best results you're going to get out of the Hitchcock catalog for 4k AT PRESENT (good luck restoring Trouble With Harry and Man Who Knew Too Much) are from these titles:

    Dial "M" for Murder
    Vertigo
    North By Northwest
    Marnie
    Torn Curtain
    Topaz
    Frenzy
    Family Plot

    These should be the relatively easy to bring to UHD as they are already available as a 4k DCP:

    3 movies shot in VistaVision:
    Vertigo
    North By Northwest
    To Catch a Thief

    3 black and white movies from the 40s and 30s:
    Rebecca
    Jamaica Inn
    Notorious

    https://www.parkcircus.com/explore_…&decade=&territory=&language=&rights=&studio=

    I do not think that the 40s and 30s titles really desperately need a UHD release so the three VistaVision titles would be the obvious choices. The two are among the most popular Hitchcock films which is why I mentioned them in a previous post. To Catch a Thief may look the best based on where and how it was shot, to me it is the best looking Hitchcock film.

    As for your list the last 5 should not have that many issues with the negatives but I would not know if they are particularly popular Hitchcock titles? I would think Marnie and Frenzy are probably the most popular ones. As for Dial M for Murder it is higly rated but I do not know about the condition of the negative nor do I think that a movie that basically plays indoors in only one room is an ideal candidate for a UHD release.

  26. The advantage To Catch a Thief has is its still owned by Paramount who's taken better care of the elements, as opposed to the rather poor 4-perf reductions that Universal has had to work with on most of their 50s titles.

  27. Lord Dalek

    So basically the best results you're going to get out of the Hitchcock catalog for 4k AT PRESENT (good luck restoring Trouble With Harry and Man Who Knew Too Much) are from these titles:

    Dial "M" for Murder
    Vertigo
    North By Northwest
    Marnie
    Torn Curtain
    Topaz
    Frenzy
    Family Plot

    No. Dial "M" is nowhere near 4k. Marnie is soft. Torn Curtain, all you'll see are (I believe it's Gloria Gorvin's) protective knee pads.

  28. warnerbro

    Why does THE TROUBLE WITH HARRY look so beautiful and FAMILY PLOT looks so awful?

    Harry was filmed in VistaVision, so it makes sense that it looks better, but Family Plot looks much worse than other films of its vintage.

  29. Lord Dalek

    If they can do anything with the two that have always been sourced from reductions…that's the question.

    At least since 2012 (masterpiece collection) they were not sourced from reductions anymore but from 8-perf IP's and they have the detail to prove it.

  30. sjbradford

    I’d like to see Hitchcock’s take on “White Christmas”. Maybe Emma the nosy housekeeper, who causes all the trouble in the last act, is murdered.

    If she is, then I'm probably the culprit (though I love actress Mary Wickes to distraction, but that character does not get the comeuppance she deserves for causing so much trouble).

  31. I really doubt many Hitchcock films would end up on physical UHD disc besides Vertigo, North by Northwest, and Psycho. Though, some of his films could use newer masters.

    noel aguirre

    I watched a little Black Narcissus on TCM the other night and it looked like a new 4K scan. Could Criterion be prepping that as it’s first?

    From digging around, looks like there's a 4K restoration from 2015. Criterion released their Blu-ray (and DVD upgrade) in 2010 alongside The Red Shoes, which was from its 4K restoration at the time. Though, the original Blu looks quite beautiful, even if a notch or two below the full 4K workflow ones for the rest of P&P's Tech films.

  32. Patrick McCart

    From digging around, looks like there's a 4K restoration from 2015. Criterion released their Blu-ray (and DVD upgrade) in 2010 alongside The Red Shoes, which was from its 4K restoration at the time. Though, the original Blu looks quite beautiful, even if a notch or two below the full 4K workflow ones for the rest of P&P's Tech films.

    I don’t see 4K source mentioned on the case or inside the the pamphlet of the current criterion from 2010.

  33. OliverK

    That would be difficult if the 4k restoration was finished in 2015.

    LO- now be nice! I thought he meant there was also an older 4K restoration- but he's referring only to The Red Shoes having one in 2010. Thanks for the reading comprehension test.
    Now I can only hope Black Narcissus gets released in UHD in addition to it streaming.

  34. noel aguirre

    LO- now be nice! I thought he meant there was also an older 4K restoration- but he's referring only to The Red Shoes having one in 2010. Thanks for the reading comprehension test.
    Now I can only hope Black Narcissus gets released in UHD in addition to it streaming.

    Sorry but it did actually not cross my mind that you could have meant a second 4k restoration as I still believe that it is miraculous that these movies got even one 🙂

    I think that Black Narcissus having a 4k master does not mean that much, Criterion has quite a few titles that have a 4k master but so far only 1080p Blu-rays for those and 1080p streaming of course as their channel does not offer 4k yet. At least if they decide to start with UHD they'll have quite a number of movies to choose from that actually have 4k masters – something that today's 200 million $$ blockbusters often don't have.

  35. Matt Hough

    Warners might give us North by Northwest since its Blu-ray master is so spectacular and seems to be in good shape. Would it being in VistaVision make getting a 4K scan more problematic?

    I'd be more impressed if they'd just suck it up and do a new to Blu scan of Stage Fright, and, Mr. and Mrs. Smith – the only two Hitchcock's from Warner still MIA in hi-def.

  36. Patrick McCart

    I really doubt many Hitchcock films would end up on physical UHD disc besides Vertigo, North by Northwest, and Psycho. Though, some of his films could use newer masters.

    Could Uni just get off its lump and remaster The Man Who Knew Too Much for standard Blu-ray – a painfully ugly viewing experience currently. I will second To Catch A Thief as a great looking UHD title.

  37. Keith Cobby

    Hitch should have made a Christmas film, either religious or secular.

    I think PSYCHO was as close as Hitchcock got to making a Christmas film. The opening shot contains a caption, "FRIDAY, DECEMBER THE ELEVENTH"

    And when Marion is driving out of Phoenix with the loot, you can clearly see festive Christmas decorations hanging across the boulevard. Norma Bates as the Ghost of Christmas Past?

  38. Lord Dalek

    So basically the best results you're going to get out of the Hitchcock catalog for 4k AT PRESENT
    Dial "M" for Murder

    Dial "M" has its own baked-in issues being a WarnerColor title; besides, who wants it in 4K when there's no 3D spec for 4K?

  39. Paul_Warren

    Marnie would be a great candidate for someone with deep pockets & access to an Nvidia DLSS render farm to try & improve….!!
    https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/news/nvidia-dlss-your-questions-answered/

    I can't see that Marnie requires that, good old restorative work will be the most that is needed or maybe a simple scan of the OCN or an IP would do the job.

    A good example for a very impressive before and after (even though I do not appreciate the revisionist color timing) is Gladiator where the new Blu-ray almost makes the old one look like a DVD in comparison. and there was no rocket science needed, "only" a 4k scan of the OCN.

  40. OliverK

    I can't see that Marnie requires that, good old restorative work will be the most that is needed or maybe a simple scan of the OCN or an IP would do the job.

    A good example for a very impressive before and after (even though I do not appreciate the revisionist color timing) is Gladiator where the new Blu-ray almost makes the old one look like a DVD in comparison. and there was no rocket science needed, "only" a 4k scan of the OCN.

    Was it ever definitively established how and why so many of Universal's Hitchcock high definition transfers were atrocious?

  41. Robert Harris

    May not be perfect for Miss Kelly, but for her fans, quite extraordinary.

    Probably the most beautiful woman I’ve ever encountered.

    Certainly the most regal, dignified, stately and – yes – gracious. A quiet repose, somehow natural and yet controlled. One always had the sense Ms. Kelly had the wherewithal to really give one a tongue lashing, but the self-control and total respect for herself as well as others to keep such undignified thoughts to herself. There are no such rarefied unicorns among us now. Today's spate of Hollywood actresses wouldn't even know where to begin.

    Love and miss Grace in The Country Girl too – still MIA on Blu-ray. Come on, Paramount! Get with the program!!! And Warner's should really do a Blu of The Swan and High Society!

  42. Robert Harris

    While I’m not disagreeing, the overriding question is who would buy yet another Hitchcock Collection?

    I guess I am in the minority here, but I really would buy another Hitchcock collection if they would do a ground-up remaster/restoration of The Man Who Knew Too Much, corrected some of the issue in Psycho, HDR'd Vertigo and tried to fix some of the 'soft' issues in Rear Window and The Birds. I could easily pass on Family Plot and Topaz – two of my least favorite Hitchcock's.

    Marnie is certainly an underrated Hitchcock and looking gawd awful currently in hi-def. I think Frenzy could do with a bit more clean-up too. The only Hitchcock's I'm thoroughly satisfied with in hi-def are To Catch a Thief, Dial M for Murder, and North By Northwest. The rest are all spotty and uneven in terms of PQ. Speaking of Hitchcock in general: can someone please convince Warner Archive that it is high time they stepped up and released Stage Fright and Mr. and Mrs. Smith to Blu – the last MIA titles under their banner.

  43. Robert Harris

    For what gain?

    I don't think UHD would benefit most here. But more restoration work certainly would and knew scans as well. I think the real problem here is that every time Uni decides to repackage the old junk with a new face – the proverbial lipstick on a pig – it further kills any chances of us ever seeing this necessary ground work happen in the future. I mean, you can only go to that well so many times before even the die hard collectors say 'hey, wait a minute.'

    And even as they continue to endlessly repackage Hitchcock's movie legacy on Blu they continue to neglect his formidable television series with NO comprehensive Blu-ray release. For shame! Disappointing, actually. About as disappointing as Universal making the executive decision to get rid of their Hitchcock attraction at their theme parks because, as stated in their press release, it lacks relevancy with today's audiences. How very – VERY – sad!

  44. Robert Harris

    For what gain?

    This goes for everything shot on celluloid: I would appreciate more naturally rendered film grain than h264 compressed to BD50 is capable of (although the guys at WAC + David Mackenzie does amazing h264 encoding)

  45. Robert Harris

    For what gain?

    Well, the gain of projecting a uhd that has near the native resolution of the film it was shot on. How can a 4K scan and subsequent uhd & hdr encoding be a bad thing for any Hitchcock film? As long as the scanning element is decent anyway. I acknowledge some of Hitchcocks films probably need work, and probably photo – chemical restoration at that, but hypothetically, who wouldnt? Especially the VistaVision titles. We already have some superb examples of what uhd and hdr can do; The Shining, Suspiria, Schindlers List, Its a Wonderful Life, to name a few.

  46. Brian9229

    Well, the gain of projecting a uhd that has near the native resolution of the film it was shot on. How can a 4K scan and subsequent uhd & hdr encoding be a bad thing for any Hitchcock film? As long as the scanning element is decent anyway. I acknowledge some of Hitchcocks films probably need work, and probably photo – chemical restoration at that, but hypothetically, who wouldnt? Especially the VistaVision titles. We already have some superb examples of what uhd and hdr can do; The Shining, Suspiria, Schindlers List, Its a Wonderful Life, to name a few.

    4k has done little for Wonderful Life. There should be no comparison to the new Blu-ray, as that disc doesn't support what the film should look like. 4k would do little for the 35/4 Hitchcock films, many of which were shot soft, ie less than 2.5k resolution, and printed dye transfer, which is actually softer than a direct positive print. The majority would do very nicely with a quality master and high data throughput 2k disc.

  47. Robert Harris

    4k has done little for Wonderful Life. There should be no comparison to the new Blu-ray, as that disc doesn't support what the film should look like. 4k would do little for the 35/4 Hitchcock films, many of which were shot soft, ie less than 2.5k resolution, and printed dye transfer, which is actually softer than a direct positive print. The majority would do very nicely with a quality master and high data throughput 2k disc.

    Very interesting, thanks for your valuable insight.

  48. Robert Harris

    4k has done little for Wonderful Life. There should be no comparison to the new Blu-ray, as that disc doesn't support what the film should look like. 4k would do little for the 35/4 Hitchcock films, many of which were shot soft, ie less than 2.5k resolution, and printed dye transfer, which is actually softer than a direct positive print. The majority would do very nicely with a quality master and high data throughput 2k disc.

    With some recent UHD releases of catalog titles the prevailing attitude seems to be one of "we are releasing it because we can". I cannot really blame the studios as UHD releases command much higher prices than a standard Blu-ray.

  49. OliverK

    With some recent UHD releases of catalog titles the prevailing attitude seems to be one of "we are releasing it because we can". I cannot really blame the studios as UHD releases command much higher prices than a standard Blu-ray.

    I Can blame them. When the 4k allows little to no extra detail, we're in smoke and mirrors territory.

  50. Robert Harris

    I Can blame them. When the 4k allows little to no extra detail, we're in smoke and mirrors territory.

    Agreed but people seem to want their favorites on UHD, doesn't matter if they are suited for a UHD release or not.

    I used to shake my head when I saw lots of requests for older and not very sharp productions, often with rather flat contrast, but not anymore as now my stance is let them have it but please respect how these movies were intended to look.
    Some adjustments are still needed almost 4 years into the format but I am hopeful that with catalog titles getting more plentiful things will improve.

  51. OliverK

    Agreed but people seem to want their favorites on UHD, doesn't matter if they are suited for a UHD release or not.

    I used to shake my head when I saw lots of requests for older and not very sharp productions, often with rather flat contrast, but not anymore as now my stance is let them have it but please respect how these movies were intended to look.
    Some adjustments are still needed almost 4 years into the format but I am hopeful that with catalog titles getting more plentiful things will improve.

    Things will improve when the “necessity” that every release requires HDR is lifted.

  52. Robert Harris

    Things will improve when the “necessity” that every release requires HDR is lifted.

    That would indeed help. I'll happily settle for the added resolution, bigger color space, better codec and higher bit depth.

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