A few words about…™ Warlock & Bandolero! — in Blu-ray

Both are Recommended 4 Stars

I’m joining two of Twilight Time’s new Blu-rays, the 1959 Warlock, with Richard Widmark, Henry Fonda, and Anthony Quinn, directed by Edward Dmytryk, with Bandolero! (Andrew McLaglen) (1968), with James Stewart and Dean Martin, for no other reason than the ability to compare and contrast the appearance of the two westerns, which have presumably spent time in the same vaults, albeit produced nine years apart.

Warlock came toward the end of the Kodak 5248 era, which means that stock had certain fade characteristics. Bandolero!, most like shot on 5254, which skipped two generations, 5250 and 5251, both of which had far better fade strength, than 48.

If you look at Warlock, which I personally favor over Bandolero!, you’ll be able to note a bit of fade, which is nicely covered by the dust and dirt of Warlock, the town in which it all takes place.

Bandolero! appears more like a modern film, with no discernible fade, and just an overall more viable look.

What one receives from these two films, is the continuity, especially for those who collect specific actors, as one gives us another performance from Mr. Fonda and Mr. Widmark, while the other adds another notch to belts for those collecting Mr. Stewart. There may be those who collect Dean Martin films, but I’ve never personally met any in the wild.

Both films sport their original stereo mixes.

But it’s the overall appearance of the two films that might be instructive to some viewers, trying to understand film stocks and their aging characteristics.

As these are Twilight Time releases, one should make note of the music scores. Warlock has a score by Leigh Harline, which is interesting, as he’s best known (or not), for his scores for Walt Disney films, inclusive of his work on Pinocchio and Snow White, in addition to a library of earlier shorts. He went on to score many features, primarily for Fox – Susan Slept Here, Broken Lance, Good Morning, Miss Dove, 23 Paces to Baker Street, Ten North Frederick, et al)

Bandolero! is the work of Jerry Goldsmith.

Image – 4 (Warlock)
5 (Bandolero!)

Audio – 5

Pass / Fail – Pass

Both are Recommended

RAH

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Robert Harris

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52 Comments

  1. Robert Harris

    There may be those who collect Dean Martin films, but I've never personally met any in the wild.

    Hello Mr. Harris! While we've never met in the wild, and I'm not a completist (though I'd be all over a Blu-Ray of TEN THOUSAND BEDROOMS, not that I expect one) in addition to Messieurs Fonda, Widmark and Stewart, I am a Dean Martin collector.

  2. lark144

    Hello Mr. Harris! While we've never met in the wild, and I'm not a completist (though I'd be all over a Blu-Ray of TEN THOUSAND BEDROOMS, not that I expect one) in addition to Messieurs Fonda, Widmark and Stewart, I am a Dean Martin collector.

    That’s one…

  3. I have 44 Dean Martin films in my collection. Does that make me no. 3?

    MARTIN, DEAN (44):

    My Friend Irma (1949)
    My Friend Irma Goes West (1950)
    At War With The Army (1950)
    That's My Boy (1951)
    The Stooge (1951)
    Sailor Beware (1952)
    Jumping Jacks (1952)
    Road To Bali (1952)
    Scared Stiff (1953)
    The Caddy (1953)
    Money From Home (1953)
    Living It Up (1954)
    You're Never Too Young (1955)
    Artists And Models (1955)
    Pardners (1956)
    Hollywood Or Bust (1956)
    Ten Thousand Bedrooms (1957)
    Young Lions (1958)
    Some Came Running (1958)
    Rio Bravo (1959)
    Who Was That Lady? (1960)
    Bells Are Ringing (1960)
    Ocean's Eleven (1960)
    All In A Night's Work (1961)
    Ada (1961)
    Sergeants Three (1962)
    Who's Got The Action? (1962)
    Toys In The Attic (1963)
    4 For Texas (1964)
    What A Way To Go (1964)
    Robin And The 7 Hoods (1964)
    Kiss Me Stupid (1964)
    Sons Of Katie Elder (1965)
    Marriage On The Rocks (1965)
    The Silencers (1966)
    Murderers Row (1966)
    Rough Night In Jericho (1967)
    The Ambushers (1967)
    How To Save A Marriage & Ruin Life (1968)
    Bandolero (1968)
    5 Card Stud (1968)
    Wrecking Crew (1969)
    Airport (1970)
    Something Big (1971)

  4. Thomas T

    I have 44 Dean Martin films in my collection. Does that make me no. 3?

    MARTIN, DEAN (44):

    My Friend Irma (1949)
    My Friend Irma Goes West (1950)
    At War With The Army (1950)
    That's My Boy (1951)
    The Stooge (1951)
    Sailor Beware (1952)
    Jumping Jacks (1952)
    Road To Bali (1952)
    Scared Stiff (1953)
    The Caddy (1953)
    Money From Home (1953)
    Living It Up (1954)
    You're Never Too Young (1955)
    Artists And Models (1955)
    Pardners (1956)
    Hollywood Or Bust (1956)
    Ten Thousand Bedrooms (1957)
    Young Lions (1958)
    Some Came Running (1958)
    Rio Bravo (1959)
    Who Was That Lady? (1960)
    Bells Are Ringing (1960)
    Ocean's Eleven (1960)
    All In A Night's Work (1961)
    Ada (1961)
    Sergeants Three (1962)
    Who's Got The Action? (1962)
    Toys In The Attic (1963)
    4 For Texas (1964)
    What A Way To Go (1964)
    Robin And The 7 Hoods (1964)
    Kiss Me Stupid (1964)
    Sons Of Katie Elder (1965)
    Marriage On The Rocks (1965)
    The Silencers (1966)
    Murderers Row (1966)
    Rough Night In Jericho (1967)
    The Ambushers (1967)
    How To Save A Marriage & Ruin Life (1968)
    Bandolero (1968)
    5 Card Stud (1968)
    Wrecking Crew (1969)
    Airport (1970)
    Something Big (1971)

    How many did you acquire primarily for the Martin content?

  5. Robert Crawford

    Just got confirmation my copy of "Warlock" arrives today from Twilight Time.:thumbsup:

    Like me you have/had the horrible German blu-ray. Interested in your comments about the TT release in due course.

  6. Keith Cobby

    Like me you have/had the horrible German blu-ray. Interested in your comments about the TT release in due course.

    Yeah, I'm patiently waiting for my postman's delivery. Recently, I did watch it on the TCM app and I can tell it was derived from a new transfer that is much better than the German BD. I'll be buying "Bandolero!" BD again too as I liked that film quite a lot too. I actually watched that film in a movie theater during its theatrical run as there weren't too many westerns from that era that I didn't see in a movie theater.:)

  7. Robert Crawford

    Yeah, I'm patiently waiting for my postman's delivery. Recently, I did watch it on the TCM app and I can tell it was derived from a new transfer that is much better than the German BD. I'll be buying "Bandolero!" BD again too as I liked that film quite a lot too. I actually watched that film in a movie theater during its theatrical run as there weren't too many westerns from that era that I didn't see in a movie theater.:)

    I just ordered Warlock today. I, too, have the German BD and am looking forward to receiving the TT release.

  8. Robert Crawford

    Yeah, I'm patiently waiting for my postman's delivery. Recently, I did watch it on the TCM app and I can tell it was derived from a new transfer that is much better than the German BD. I'll be buying "Bandolero!" BD again too as I liked that film quite a lot too. I actually watched that film in a movie theater during its theatrical run as there weren't too many westerns from that era that I didn't see in a movie theater.:)

    A difference of night and day between the German Blu-ray and Twilight Time's Blu-ray. A great looking disc!

  9. A side note. An interesting pairing of movies is to watch Warlock, and then follow it with My Name Is Nobody, In many ways it is as if Henry Fonda picked up the same character in Warlock and transported it (much older) into the later setting of Nobody.

  10. quantumsnoga

    A side note. An interesting pairing of movies is to watch Warlock, and then follow it with My Name Is Nobody, In many ways it is as if Henry Fonda picked up the same character in Warlock and transported it (much older) into the later setting of Nobody.

    One of my favorite Westerns! "Just think of it, 150 pure bred sons of bitches on horseback and you facing 'em alone. You'll be written up in all the history books."

  11. Mr. Harris,
    I am also guilty of liking Dean Martin’s films and saw all of the 1960’s theatrical releases, including 1970’s (big time Jean Seberg fan) Airport and unfortunately, Mr Ricco ( love the Earl Shives paint job scene). I saw Bandolero! many times during it’s initial release and even on a double bill with Escape From The Planet Of The Apes as many did. Will be curious to see how TT release of Bandolero! matches up to the German blu ray, which I thinks sounds and looks quite good. I have introduced many to Warlock thru my radio show and at my home and always felt it was a fine piece of cinema.

  12. Correction to the above, the paint job in Mr. Ricco was courtesy of Earl Shibes, not Shives and the ads stated “we will paint any car for 99.00!”. In addition, I still have the Phase 4 soundtrack for Bandolero! and for some reason Martin’s estate would not allow his name and sometimes, photo to be on the LP. I have heard rumors regarding this in the past and wanted to know if anyone else if familiar with this.

  13. sultan of cinema

    Correction to the above, the paint job in Mr. Ricco was courtesy of Earl Shibes, not Shives and the ads stated "we will paint any car for 99.00!". In addition, I still have the Phase 4 soundtrack for Bandolero! and for some reason Martin's estate would not allow his name and sometimes, photo to be on the LP. I have heard rumors regarding this in the past and wanted to know if anyone else if familiar with this.

    Now you're here, too? <sarc>

    Yes, Dean's contract with his record label precluded the use of his image/name on certain other releases.

  14. Peter Apruzzese

    Now you're here, too? <sarc>

    Yes, Dean's contract with his record label precluded the use of his image/name on certain other releases.

    Yep, I have the original LP and he was missing there as well. It initially puzzled me but eventually I figured out that was the reason.

  15. Robert Crawford

    Man, do I disagree with that review about the Twilight Time's colors being passive and muted and I'm questioning the accuracy of his screen shots.

    One of the reasons that I almost never go to his site.

  16. Robert Crawford

    Man, do I disagree with that review about the Twilight Time's colors being passive and muted and I'm questioning the accuracy of his screen shots.

    Whew! Good to hear because it looks like all the color has been drained from the TT "screen shots".

  17. sultan of cinema

    Correction to the above, the paint job in Mr. Ricco was courtesy of Earl Shibes, not Shives and the ads stated "we will paint any car for 99.00!". In addition, I still have the Phase 4 soundtrack for Bandolero! and for some reason Martin's estate would not allow his name and sometimes, photo to be on the LP. I have heard rumors regarding this in the past and wanted to know if anyone else if familiar with this.

    That's too expensive and not how he spelled his name. In the 60's it was:

    [​IMG]

  18. And to get back on topic, I need to order both of these films. I've never seen Warlock and it's been awhile for Bandelero! Disappointed to hear that DVDBeaver may be putting out pictures that don't reflect how they actually look.

  19. Rodney

    And to get back on topic, I need to order both of these films. I've never seen Warlock and it's been awhile for Bandelero! Disappointed to hear that DVDBeaver may be putting out pictures that don't reflect how they actually look.

    Probably not a good idea to post an image based upon subtitle positioning.

  20. Rodney

    And to get back on topic, I need to order both of these films. I've never seen Warlock and it's been awhile for Bandelero! Disappointed to hear that DVDBeaver may be putting out pictures that don't reflect how they actually look.

    Really? He's been putting out screen shots that have no bearing on what these things actually look like for YEARS. He does every Blu-ray a disservice, sorry. We won't even go into his Beaverisms, review-wise. The Twilight Time's color was excellent, especially if there is fade to the negative – it looked great. Even in that sorry screen shot the color is not "drained" – brighten it to the overbright other cap and it would pretty much be identical. But those shots are pointless because his caps are the WORST.

  21. Rodney

    And to get back on topic, I need to order both of these films. I've never seen Warlock and it's been awhile for Bandelero! Disappointed to hear that DVDBeaver may be putting out pictures that don't reflect how they actually look.

    Disappointed yes, but were you surprised?

  22. I spent an hour looking at the TT and German Blu-rays of "Warlock" and the TT disc colors don't look muted to me when I played those specific film sequences captured on screen shots. Furthermore, the TT disc looks much better PQ-wise than the German disc due to film grain. No question each disc is derived from different transfers as the German BD looks like it came from an older transfer.

  23. I wonder how much of the "teal" look in all these scans of 50's Fox titles (I think most of these are being done by Cineric, I know at least Bigger Than Life, Bus Stop, and the Cinemascope 55 titles were done by them) is actually a conscious decision, or more a case of the cyan dye layer in these old Eastman negatives being too faded to have more saturated reds in the final image?

  24. Robert Crawford

    Man, do I disagree with that review about the Twilight Time's colors being passive and muted and I'm questioning the accuracy of his screen shots.

    What is does show is the color fringing is gone, and more picture info on the left, bottom and a little bit on the right sides.

  25. Overall the new transfer is quite nice (sharp, nice grain, uncropped), but it does have a bluish/greenish "cast" to it. I tried adjusting the color on my projector to offset it, but it didn't really work. Surprised they could not compensate for some of the turned color on the negative with digital grading but I guess once it's gone it's gone. Still, quite happy to see this western gem released by TT and overall it's very watchable.

  26. Jordan Krug

    Overall the new transfer is quite nice (sharp, nice grain, uncropped), but it does have a bluish/greenish "cast" to it. I tried adjusting the color on my projector to offset it, but it didn't really work. Surprised they could not compensate for some of the turned color on the negative with digital grading but I guess once it's gone it's gone. Still, quite happy to see this western gem released by TT and overall it's very watchable.

    Is that a new term for the previous "teal" comments about Fox titles?;)

  27. Robert Crawford

    Is that a new term for the previous "teal" comments about Fox titles?;)

    Well, I feel like a teal color correction is a choice…you're right about it being semantics.. but to me this is less a deliberate color correction..that's why I chose to call it a "cast". I think Mr. Harris is on the money about the negative having color loss.

  28. Joseph Goodman

    I wonder how much of the "teal" look in all these scans of 50's Fox titles (I think most of these are being done by Cineric, I know at least Bigger Than Life, Bus Stop, and the Cinemascope 55 titles were done by them) is actually a conscious decision, or more a case of the cyan dye layer in these old Eastman negatives being too faded to have more saturated reds in the final image?

    Years ago I posted comparison caps between 4 CinemaScope movies from the fifties from three different studios (Fox, Columbia, Warner). To my eyes they all looked more or less the same with regard to colour. Fox "tealing" their scans of 50's CinemaScope movies is nothing more than a myth in my opinion. I think we're finally seeing these movies as they're supposed to look.

    Jordan Krug

    Overall the new transfer is quite nice (sharp, nice grain, uncropped), but it does have a bluish/greenish "cast" to it.

    I don't have the TT Warlock yet but on the screencaps from DVDBeaver I don't see a bluish/greenish cast. I suppose if you compare it to the old German BD it may appear to be like that but the German BD has pumped up contrast and is too blue. The TT Warlock looks spot on to me albeit slightly faded.

  29. Watched the TT Warlock disc tonight and I think there's a problem with it. The video seems to be encoded at RGB PC levels instead of YCbCr. As a result the picture will look washed out/faded. I changed the HDMI output of my Oppo to RGB PC and everything looked alright with proper black level but this is not as it should be.

  30. Worth

    This happens way more often than it should.

    I can remember a few older Arrow releases having the problem but other than that not many. It is an error that should be caught by QC.

    Anyway, I contacted Twilight Time and they responded that they were sorry to hear about my complaint about the transfer and that I was the only one who had complained so far and that the transfer got only positive reviews etc. etc. In short, nothing wrong.
    But I think they do not have a clue what I'm talking about as my complaint was not about the transfer (it is excellent) but about how the video was encoded. It is simply wrong.

  31. Seems I'm not the only one who noticed something wrong with TT's disc. Glenn Erickson's review of Warlock: https://trailersfromhell.com/warlock-1959/

    He notices: ""The negative for this show may have faded. The image is sharp and stable, but colors are not ideal and the contrast is consistently milky, with no good blacks. Colorists these days can get better results from almost anything, so perhaps this is an older transfer?”

    It's not the transfer though, it's the encoding. Hope the Germans get it right when they release this restoration later this year.

  32. I have to say I'm impressed by TT's dedication to customer satisfaction. They checked my complaint with their authoring facility. It seems I was wrong in assuming the authoring facility made a mistake with the video encode. The authoring facility affirmed that the video was encoded in YCbCr 4:4:4 and not in RGB PC as I assumed (in fact their video encoders do not allow RGB PC encoding).

    However, they (that is the authoring facility) do admit that "the picture content contained on Fox’s master may not have been taking full advantage of the color space available in this video format, or perhaps it was transferred during an intermediate stage prior to creating the HDCamSR we received and the black levels were altered from the original transfer".

    Twilight Time put on disc what they got from Fox but, whatever the reason and whoever is to blame, I stand by my observation that something is wrong with the picture on TT's Warlock. Somewhere along the line I believe a mistake was made.

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