A few words about…™ The Thin Man – in Blu-ray

It appears that the wonderful folks at Warner have put almost a year into this project, to do everything possible to reclaim it from the grip of old nitrate and dupes of dupes. 4 Stars

This one that has concerned me.

I’ve never seen a quality print in any gauge.

The original negative of this W. S. Van Dyke classic was gone decades ago, which left extant a couple of well used fine grains, and a duplicate printing negative. Old stock didn’t dupe well in the early days.

Which means that going in, I was prepared to grade on a curve. Not that one should, but the film is too important to give it short shrift.

After all, it’s William Powell and Myra Loy in The Thin Man (1934), with Mr. Powell playing not the titular character, but one Nick Charles.

Once past the main title, which had that normal early ’30 appearance, I expected things to continue in that manner.

I was wrong.

It appears that the wonderful folks at Warner have put almost a year into this project, to do everything possible to reclaim it from the grip of old nitrate and dupes of dupes.

While my eyes can see through certain attributes, I’m going to pretty much guarantee that even the most cinephiliac viewer, will have zero problems with this release.

It’s that good.

With 90% or thereabouts derived from the fine grains, and the rest from dupes, with months of digital clean-up, I found myself amazed at the way the disparate elements matched one another, going from cut to cut.

There’s a tiny bit of residual wear, very light scratches, that are all but covered and massaged away, but there are no real problems here.

I defy viewers to find it.

And that’s a miracle.

One of the great films of the early ’30s…

I take that back.

One of the great films, is once again available for your viewing pleasure.

And now, if you’d please serve the nuts…

Image – 4.5

Audio – 4.5

Pass / Fail – Pass

Upgrade from DVD – You’d better believe it!

Very Highly Recommended

RAH

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240 Comments

  1. How exciting to read this! I watch this first film in the series multiple times each year because it's so witty and so much fun. I CANNOT wait to finally see what I've been missing all these decades through mediocre video presentations.

  2. I was curious if Warners would be able to provide a quality upgrade as I too have never seen a really decent transfer of the film. So I'm really looking forward to this.

    Not to bring up a sore spot (too late!) but to all those complainers about Warners not releasing "classics" like X, Y or Z. It's obvious that it's not because Warners isn't interested or doesn't want to. But they take the time to do it right and that might literally take years. So before you do the next "Why is Warners releasing ABC when classics like XYZ aren't on blu ray yet?" post, remember it takes time to get gems like The Thin Man or Seven Brides For Seven Brothers in shape for a proper HD release. We'll all be rewarded for our patience.

  3. It's reviews like this that inspires me to pay the full and supportive price.:)
    Bravo to WAC, and all who labored upon this work.:cheers:

    [I know, I know…I was hoping for an emoji with a martini glass, as well;
    but hey, at least The Thin Man wasn't released as an Olive.];)

  4. Thomas T

    I was curious if Warners would be able to provide a quality upgrade as I too have never seen a really decent transfer of the film. So I'm really looking forward to this.

    Not to bring up a sore spot (too late!) but to all those complainers about Warners not releasing "classics" like X, Y or Z. It's obvious that it's not because Warners isn't interested or doesn't want to. But they take the time to do it right and that might literally take years. So before you do the next "Why is Warners releasing ABC when classics like XYZ aren't on blu ray yet?" post, remember it takes time to get gems like The Thin Man or Seven Brides For Seven Brothers in shape for a proper HD release. We'll all be rewarded for our patience.

    It isn’t simply a Blu-ray. They’ve created all new preservation elements, along with the ability to run a DCP theatrically.

    A class act!

  5. Trancas

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    The Thin Man is $14.39 right now on Amazon (Prime Day discount?).
    https://www.amazon.com/Thin-Man-Blu…08d36c64b22e2f2f1f22b&creativeASIN=B07T6S1CKT
    At checkout it takes $3.58 off of the $17.97 posted price.

    Jay_Z_525

    Thanks for the heads up- ordered!

    I hope you're happy enough with that price to be patient about how long it takes for your order to be fulfilled if you buy through Amazon, considering how bad it has been this year for WAC releases!

  6. Astairefan

    I hope you're happy enough with that price to be patient about how long it takes for your order to be fulfilled if you buy through Amazon, considering how bad it has been this year for WAC releases!

    I’ve got the set from a few years back so if it takes a while, so be it, I’m not in a rush.

  7. A technical question, probably best suited for another thread but I’ve always heard about how beautiful nitrate looks when it’s projected- the silver content glistening, etc. Since I’ve never seen nitrate projected, how closely does that experience get replicated in a top notch release like this?

  8. Jay_Z_525

    A technical question, probably best suited for another thread but I’ve always heard about how beautiful nitrate looks when it’s projected- the silver content glistening, etc. Since I’ve never seen nitrate projected, how closely does that experience get replicated in a top notch release like this?

    No way to say in a general sense, as it’s quite dependent upon panel/projector/player setup and calibration.

    Two physical analogue characteristics also come into play.

    Nitrate films would have been projected with carbon arc as a light source. And just as important, especially for 3-strip, unlike acetate prints, which had slight color tints to the base, nitrate base was crystal clear, which permitted a purity to color.

  9. AnthonyClarke

    Definitely yes. but I'll chuck out the new BD cover and pop it into the old snapper case.
    I have the complete Thin Man DVD set as well but will keep this as a stand-alone.

    To me, it's a Christmas classic, so I'll be filing the Blu-Ray in my Christmas section. My DVD box set will stay intact with the DVD box sets. This review is such good news!

  10. Robert Harris

    No way to say in a general sense, as it’s quite dependent upon panel/projector/player setup and calibration.

    Two physical analogue characteristics also come into play.

    Nitrate films would have been projected with carbon arc as a light source. And just as important, especially for 3-strip, unlike acetate prints, which had slight color tints to the base, nitrate base was crystal clear, which permitted a purity to color.

    Thank you! So I gather it’s possible if the conditions are right. Someday I’ll have to make the effort to see nitrate properly projected to get the full effect!

  11. Jay_Z_525

    Thank you! So I gather it’s possible if the conditions are right. Someday I’ll have to make the effort to see nitrate properly projected to get the full effect!

    Easier said than done – there are reportedly no more than 4-6 locations in the country that can legally project nitrate due to the stringent projection booth safeguards that must be in place.

    I have seen nitrate ( both color and b&w ) at both George Eastman House in Rochester and The Egyptian in Hollywood and have to say I did not see the differences I was expecting to see from these prints. I have heard similar comments from others at these showings. I have no idea if these venues used carbon arc or xenon bulb projection, but I suspect that both locations have one set of projectors that likely use the modern Xenon lamps. They are not compatible with carbon arc, which works entirely differently.

    Mr Harris, do you know if those venues are capable of running carbon arc?

  12. Rob W

    Easier said than done – there are reportedly no more than 4-6 locations in the country that can legally project nitrate due to the stringent projection booth safeguards that must be in place.

    I have seen nitrate ( both color and b&w ) at both George Eastman House in Rochester and The Egyptian in Hollywood and have to say I did not see the differences I was expecting to see from these prints. I have heard similar comments from others at these showings. I have no idea if these venues used carbon arc or xenon bulb projection, but I suspect that both locations have one set of projectors that likely use the modern Xenon lamps. They are not compatible with carbon arc, which works entirely differently.

    Mr Harris, do you know if those venues are capable of running carbon arc?

    This is all so interesting. Living in Philly it’s not a terrible trek to Rochester and I’ve been wanting to go for a while. It’s still on my list but interesting to know you didn’t see much of a difference.

  13. Curious about the difference in projected nitrate vs safety prints, I once asked Audrey Kupferberg from the AFI about it (~ 35 years ago). She said that there wasn't a difference when it was a really good, properly made safety print. This is in no way meant to disagree with Robert; perhaps she wasn't seeing the difference that Robert has seen.

    More recently (about 10 years ago), I saw a couple of Technicolor nitrate trailers from '40s musicals with arc light projection. They were stunningly gorgeous, with vibrant color and saturation like I've never seen elsewhere. But whether this was just because they were original prints with real Technicolor processing, or because they were nitrate, I can't say.

  14. Danny Burk

    Curious about the difference in projected nitrate vs safety prints, I once asked Audrey Kupferberg from the AFI about it (~ 35 years ago). She said that there wasn't a difference when it was a really good, properly made safety print. This is in no way meant to disagree with Robert; perhaps she wasn't seeing the difference that Robert has seen.

    More recently (about 10 years ago), I saw a couple of Technicolor nitrate trailers from '40s musicals with arc light projection. They were stunningly gorgeous, with vibrant color and saturation like I've never seen elsewhere. But whether this was just because they were original prints with real Technicolor processing, or because they were nitrate, I can't say.

    Let’s further complicate matters. Safety print vs original YCM+S.

  15. Great news. One of the all-time best films and a joy to watch at any time, so seeing it in its spiffed up condition should be a real treat. Amazon Canada lists it as "Currently unavailable" (which is actually a step up for some of the recent classic pre-orders that just weren't listed until they were just about to be released or had already been released). Order placed on U.S. Amazon site, which will add some delay to it getting here to Canada but that will just build the anticipation.

  16. Astairefan

    I hope you're happy enough with that price to be patient about how long it takes for your order to be fulfilled if you buy through Amazon, considering how bad it has been this year for WAC releases!

    It is listed in the 20% off ($17.99) sale at Target until July 20th … free shipping if using Target Red Card + a percentage off for using the red card

  17. B-ROLL and Robert Crawford — thanks for the posts! I ordered mine from Target for 15 bucks and change after tax, with free shipping. Can’t wait to see this one!

  18. I just pre-ordered 'The Thin Man' from Amazon (through the HTF link) and was surprised to see $3.58 of "Extra Savings" automatically added to my order. That knocked the price down to $14.41 plus tax. I have absolutely zero idea why I received a $3.58 discount. It had nothing to do with my payment method and wasn't listed as a promotional item. It simply said "Extra Savings" next to the discount.

    Given my negative experiences with Target's online store, I was fully ready to just pay $17.99 through Amazon. Screw Target online and good luck to everyone that used them!

    Mark

  19. Mark Booth

    I just pre-ordered 'The Thin Man' from Amazon (through the HTF link) and was surprised to see $3.58 of "Extra Savings" automatically added to my order. That knocked the price down to $14.41 plus tax. I have absolutely zero idea why I received a $3.58 discount. It had nothing to do with my payment method and wasn't listed as a promotional item. It simply said "Extra Savings" next to the discount. 'The Thin Man' was the only item in my cart.

    Given my negative experiences with Target's online store, I was fully ready to just pay $17.99 through Amazon. Screw Target online and good luck to everyone that used them!

    Mark

    I know that the $3.58 was deducted during Prime Days sale. I was not aware it was still active.

  20. davidmatychuk

    To me, it's a Christmas classic, so I'll be filing the Blu-Ray in my Christmas section. My DVD box set will stay intact with the DVD box sets. This review is such good news!

    I'm in full agreement. The Thin Man is normally shown in my household on either Christmas or Christmas Eve, often on a double bill with the original Miracle on 34th Street. Of course, a few days later After the Thin Man is the selection for New Years. I have the new blu-ray on pre-order, but I'll be setting it aside for Christmas.

  21. Yep, I went there this morning and canceled my original pre-order and ordered it again and immediately got the new price saving those few precious dollars in the process. This may have put me in the back of the queue, however, when Amazon begins filling orders meaning I may not get it when Target folks do. We'll see.

  22. As for me, when I saw that Warner Archive was issuing "The Thin Man" on Blu-Ray, I did my usual thing and called up my local independent video retailer, Videomatica, asking them to hold one for me when it comes in. It works perfectly for me, but more importantly so do the human beings who work at Videomatica. They also get to get paid, eat, have homes, buy "The Thin Man" Blu-Rays of their own, etc.. I mean, God bless my Home Theatre Forum friends who are maximizing their Blu-Ray dollars (so they can get as many Blu-Rays as their budgets will allow) (and boy, do I understand that one) but as long as I can support a local video retailer I'm going to. I'll be sorry if Jeff Bezos or Joe Bob Target can't quite afford their next $38 billion divorce because of me, but we all have to make sacrifices.

  23. This is such exciting news for a film I had sadly assumed would be stuck as an OOP DVD upgrade of the old Laserdisc series box I trot out for a yearly rewatch. If it sells strongly enough it would bode well for the sequels.

  24. I agree with you — this is one of the all time great films — period. I downloaded from Amazon and it looked good. I wonder if this will be even better.

  25. warnerbro

    I agree with you — this is one of the all time great films — period. I downloaded from Amazon and it looked good. I wonder if this will be even better.

    I watched this film every year around Christmas time and during the year will watch segments of it while channel surfing.

  26. warnerbro

    I agree with you — this is one of the all time great films — period. I downloaded from Amazon and it looked good. I wonder if this will be even better.

    Boy if you thought Amazon's print looks good, the blu-ray will hit you right in the tabloids.

  27. Hey guys I’m a little confused.

    The last few posts sounded like you guys actually received your Thin Man blu rays. So I thought I’d try to order as I’d been waiting for availability to order. Whenever I looked at Amazon, it says ships in 5 weeks or a version of that. Which led me to think Amazon was feuding with Warner too. I was trying to figure out the same about Gaslight. But I see The Thin Man will be released on July 30th. And for Gaslight, Amazon shows shipping in two to five weeks. But Best Buy can ship right away as it was released June 25th. So I thought The Thin Man was shipping, but Amazon is delaying shipping for whatever reasons.

    So how I see it now, The Thin Man is not actually shipping yet as it’s not released till July 30th. Gaslight is released and it might be easier to purchase at venues other then Amazon.

  28. Nelson Au

    Hey guys I’m a little confused.

    The last few posts sounded like you guys actually received your Thin Man blu rays. So I thought I’d try to order as I’d been waiting for availability to order. Whenever I looked at Amazon, it says ships in 5 weeks or a version of that. Which led me to think Amazon was feuding with Warner too. I was trying to figure out the same about Gaslight. But I see The Thin Man will be released on July 30th. And for Gaslight, Amazon shows shipping in two to five weeks. But Best Buy can ship right away as it was released June 25th. So I thought The Thin Man was shipping, but Amazon is delaying shipping for whatever reasons.

    So how I see it now, The Thin Man is not actually shipping yet as it’s not released till July 30th. Gaslight is released and it might be easier to purchase at venues other then Amazon.

    It doesn't come out until July 30…

  29. I got a shipping notice for this from Best Buy this morning. It is not unusual for me to get WAC releases from Best Buy on Saturday or Monday before release date, depending on speed of the post office. Hopeful that this will follow suit.

  30. Jay_Z_525

    A technical question, probably best suited for another thread but I’ve always heard about how beautiful nitrate looks when it’s projected- the silver content glistening, etc. Since I’ve never seen nitrate projected, how closely does that experience get replicated in a top notch release like this?

    (Sorry to bring up an old question, but I was reading through this thread for the first time).

    A couple of years ago, we attended the first “nitrate festival” in Rochester NY at the Eastman/Kodak theatre there. My wife and I really looked forward to seeing the familiar movies in rare nitrate prints to experience the “magic of nitrate”.

    Perhaps if they did a A/B comparison, we would have had an alternate experience. As it was we could not tell the difference at all! We did not return next year.

  31. Cranston37

    People are pre-ordering it, but I don't see that anyone has gotten it yet. It definitely doesn't come out until July 30…

    Goy my copy from Best Buy online on Saturday (yesterday)

  32. I’ve had my Thin Man BD on pre-order at Amazon for several weeks but today, release day, the site shows “temporarily out of stock.” That had also been the case with my previous Blu-ray pre-orders of Footlight Parade, Gaslight, and Popeye Vol. 2. I ended up cancelling those orders and getting them from the WB Shop or Barnes & Noble. It seems that Amazon’s relationship with the WB Archive has changed. Maybe WB delays its shipments to Amazon because they undersell their own prices by several dollars?

  33. Nick Eden

    Got my copy in the UK today – may just keep until Christmas.

    From which retailer — I've read of copies shipped by WBShop, Best Buy (some getting delayed messages too), and Bullmoose being shipped, but I don't think they ship to UK
    Amazon I've heard lots of complaints as usual of delayed shipments, but no actual product going out.
    Deep Discount/WowHD and Barnes & Noble has shipped at least most preorders so I'm guessing one of these stores or maybe
    Warner UK shop?

    For those looking to order B&N has it in stock $18.94, now eligible for FS for members or $35, and coupon eligible so 10-15% off if you have a code. Normally that should mean other stores may be getting restocks sooner than later once B&N goes to normal inventory and not their "Specialty Store" designation.
    Bullmoose appears to have copies, but I'm guessing no many left looking at store availability

  34. Mine arrived yesterday, and immediately we all gathered to watch it. The movie is so wonderfully executed, with Powell and Loy’s every moment on screen to be treasured.

    I had never seen this film look good…ever. I had the laserdisc, the DVD, and seen 35mm revival showings, all riddled with damage and all sorts of flicker and obvious vestiges of wear. I had given up hope that it would ever have that distinctive M-G-M gloss. Happily, I was wrong. This Blu-Ray is an outstanding achievement on many levels, especially showing how things can now be improved with modern tools. The image is immaculate with beautiful shadow detail, deep inky blacks, and beautiful tonality. The audio is crisp and clean as well. Likely my favorite Blu-Ray of the year…..so far….

  35. Conrad_SSS

    Mine arrived yesterday, and immediately we all gathered to watch it. The movie is so wonderfully executed, with Powell and Loy’s every moment on screen to be treasured.

    I had never seen this film look good…ever. I had the laserdisc, the DVD, and seen 35mm revival showings, all riddled with damage and all sorts of flicker and obvious vestiges of wear. I had given up hope that it would ever have that distinctive M-G-M gloss. Happily, I was wrong. This Blu-Ray is an outstanding achievement on many levels, especially showing how things can now be improved with modern tools. The image is immaculate with beautiful shadow detail, deep inky blacks, and beautiful tonality. The audio is crisp and clean as well. Likely my favorite Blu-Ray of the year…..so far….

    This, like RAH's review, makes me so happy and so excited to anticipate my own viewing when my disc finally arrives.

  36. Cancelled my Amazon pre-order (I know, I shouldn’t have started there in the first place) and ordered with Deep Discount earlier this week. Mine is on it’s way. Can not wait to see this after these stellar reviews!

  37. I know this movie well, but my wife had not seen it, and therefore watched it through “new eyes”. She was struck, and I agree with her, by the incredible amount of drinking in the film. It is almost the third major character. It is the source of much humour of the “Foster Brooks” variety, and motivation for much of the action.

    Unlike today in most circles, being drunk and drinking was considered normal, endearing and hilarious.

  38. Mine arrived from B&N yesterday. Easily the best I've seen a title of this vintage look, certainly the best this particular classic has. Clearly they went the extra mile, it's essentially flawless. Audio is quite good, too.

  39. AnthonyClarke

    I'm still waiting. Still hovering between Ordered and Shipped, with an Amazon- predicted arrival date of between August 26 and September 12. This might be my very last Amazon order.

    I feel for you. I went the Amazon route for along time waiting up to a month and a half for the title. I did this so HTF would benefit from the order. I eventually witched to WAC to get it in release week.

  40. ahollis

    I feel for you. I went the Amazon route for along time waiting up to a month and a half for the title. I did this so HTF would benefit from the order. I eventually witched to WAC to get it in release week.

    But do you watch it during release week?

    There are many, many HTFers who talk about purchasing a disc and then adding it to their pile of still-to-watch

  41. David Weicker

    But do you watch it during release week?

    There are many, many HTFers who talk about purchasing a disc and then adding it to their pile of still-to-watch

    There are certain titles that move to the head of the pile and for many of us, this is one of those few titles.

  42. Robert Crawford

    There are certain titles that move to the head of the pile and for many of us, this is one of those few titles.

    Absolutely. Some upcoming releases one simply has "the fever" about seeing, and The Thin Man is one of them. Any musical that gets released on Blu-ray also gets my immediate attention.

  43. ahollis

    I eventually witched to WAC to get it in release week.

    Yeah, so did I except that I STILL don't have it. I got a shipping notice on the 31st with a bogus, useless dhl tracking number (We wish to inform you that a number of packages may experience delayed or missing tracking information. Continue to check this tracking page for the latest update. Please accept our sincere apology for any inconvenience this may cause.) which is the SAME message I get while trying to track all three of the discs I ordered at the same time (SUMMER STOCK, FOOTLIGHT PARADE and this one) though the other two arrived. They've got one more day and then I'm going to complain. How hard is this?

  44. The WBShop site is terrible. Slow shipping at a high cost. Also, a friend got his credit card info stolen from that site, so I avoid it at all costs. B&N gave me a cheaper price, and faster shipping at a lower cost, so with Amazon in its current war with WB, I know my choice for WAC releases.

  45. Get it from my local video retailer after work, take it home all excited, put it in the blu-ray player, realize I'd need to remove the shrink wrap and take the disc out first, do so, movie starts, what sorcery is this, eyes bugging out, ears twitching like a cat, mind blown by miraculous restoration. How was your Saturday?

  46. ThadK

    The WBShop site is terrible. Slow shipping at a high cost. Also, a friend got his credit card info stolen from that site

    NOW ya tell me! 😆

    Any way, it DID show up today and I'm watching it now!

  47. Me too! It may not be "perfect" but it works for me. I have a habit of watching the trailer before the movie (don't ask; maybe all those years of managing a movie theater has something to do with it) & the double images of William Powell as Nick Charles & Philo Vance seem to jump off the screen due to the added resolution.

  48. Will Krupp

    Yeah, so did I except that I STILL don't have it. I got a shipping notice on the 31st with a bogus, useless dhl tracking number (We wish to inform you that a number of packages may experience delayed or missing tracking information. Continue to check this tracking page for the latest update. Please accept our sincere apology for any inconvenience this may cause.) which is the SAME message I get while trying to track all three of the discs I ordered at the same time (SUMMER STOCK, FOOTLIGHT PARADE and this one) though the other two arrived. They've got one more day and then I'm going to complain. SIXTEEN CANDLES arrived from the UK with a total time lapse of THREE days from ordering until it was in my hand. How hard is this?

    Generally WBShop emails say it a DH: tracking number but over the last year ior so, it's actually a UPSMI number (starts with 9xxxx…..). Plus the number in on that site and see what comes up or try it next time

    I'm betting the package was delivered by USPS and not DHL

  49. Will Krupp

    And you would be right! At first I thought it was a different title I had ordered because I was expecting DHL

    No idea why this hasn;'t been corrected, but my last order was over a year ago from WBShop and it's been doing that at least since then.
    I remember seeing the email and like everyone was complaining about dead tracking. I remember the tracking not looking like a DHL number plugged it into a bunch of different trackers before it eitehr dawned on me it was a USPS number or someone else mentioned UPS-MI. USPS will show the number, but until after it changes hands and is in USPS custody (so basically the last 24 hrs)

  50. I watched it last night. It's amazing how well the film still holds up, it still feels as contemporary as the first time I saw it, closer to early Godard and Truffaut than a film produced by MGM from the mid 1930's. Some of that is attributable to James Wong Howe's remarkable photography, which uses darkness not so much as a means for mood, but as an aid to spontaneity, which reinforces the seemingly of-the cuff improvisatory acting in scenes like the Christmas party. However, what seeing this film so clearly finally creates is the ability to observe the craft and care in the lighting as well as the set-ups. There's a myth that this film was shot so quickly that the director didn't really control the photography or the acting, but simply watching this Blu gives the lie to that myth. This may have been shot quickly, but the editing and lighting are very carefully done, creating the illusion of spontaneity as well as a frame for the actors to appear to be spontaneous in. Specifically, the set-ups in the Christmas party are done so that it seems that it is one continuous shot, and that all these people and interpolations just kind of happen. Actually, it's all orchestrated. Now it may have all been done in one or two takes, but those takes were carefully planned nonetheless. But after all this verbiage, yeah: it's great and looks amazing and I'm happy I pre-ordered it so I can share in all the Wows & general acclaim. .

  51. I'm going to repeat myself somewhat and simply say that unlike many older Hollywood films in which the extra resolution reveals much of the artifice, the increased clarity of THE THIN MAN Blu-ray increases the greatness and beauty of this film, making me now realize, along with Sternberg's Dietrich films and Lubitsch's musicals this may indeed be one of the very best Hollywood films from the early 1930's, a film that is the equal of Renior's "Boudu Saved From Drowning." This is not an opinion I held before, but after seeing the glory of this Blu, I do now.

  52. AnthonyClarke

    All the more reason for bringing that Criterion Lubitsch musicals set into the Blu ray age!

    I was looking at MONTE CARLO last week. My goodness, Jack Buchanan had hair-trigger timing back in the day, and that elegant rumble of a voice that could suggest two completely opposite meanings of a line-reading at once.

  53. Still waiting on Amazon for my copy. Current estimate is "Arriving Aug 14 – Aug 28".

    Cranston37

    It's probably sacrilege to say, but I've always thought The Thin Man was ripe for a remake. With the right writer and actors…

    I'd actually prefer a TV series to a feature film remake. The joy of these movies is Nick and Nora; the mystery is rather beside the point. HBO, FX, or Netflix with a short-episode order (maybe 8 to 13 episodes per season) would be ideal.

    As you say, though, they'd have to nail the casting and get writers worthy of the pedigree.

  54. Adam Lenhardt

    I'd actually prefer a TV series to a feature film remake. The joy of these movies is Nick and Nora; the mystery is rather beside the point. HBO, FX, or Netflix with a short-episode order (maybe 8 to 13 episodes per season) would be ideal.

    As you say, though, they'd have to nail the casting and get writers worthy of the pedigree.

    I really like your idea of a TV series. Who to cast??? Trying to think of someone who has that bemused sophistication of Myrna Loy,,,,,and the right age. Mélanie Laurent or Audrey Tautou (I can't seem to think of anyone American)? William Powell type…….Benedict Cumberbatch (too snooty?)? Russell Crowe (too Oliver Reedish?)?

  55. Trancas

    I really like your idea of a TV series. Who to cast??? Trying to think of someone who has that bemused sophistication of Myrna Loy,,,,,and the right age. Mélanie Laurent or Audrey Tautou (I can't seem to think of anyone American)? William Powell type…….Benedict Cumberbatch (too snooty?)? Russell Crowe (too Oliver Reed-ish?)? Tom Hiddleston?

    Peter Lawford?

  56. Adam Lenhardt

    Still waiting on Amazon for my copy. Current estimate is "Arriving Aug 14 – Aug 28".

    That's my status with Amazon, as well. It wasn't a big deal for me to get the title on release date since we were in Iceland anyway (just got back last night). I would have needed to ask my neighbor to get the package off my porch, as Amazon does their own deliveries here and there is no way to hold them like we can the USPS while out of town.

  57. My only problem with a TV series is it just feels like the joke of them always needing a drink would just get old after awhile.

    And every time I Myrna Loy the first person I think of is Debra Messing…

  58. Scott Merryfield

    That's my status with Amazon, as well. It wasn't a big deal for me to get the title on release date since we were in Iceland anyway (just got back last night). I would have needed to ask my neighbor to get the package off my porch, as Amazon does their own deliveries here and there is no way to hold them like we can the USPS while out of town.

    Iceland, wow, can you tell me about that trip in my blog thread?

  59. Billy Batson

    Yup, all those TV series of famous films in the fifties. You can see a trailer for Peter Lawford as The Thin Man in that great documentary, MGM: When the Lion Roars (ooh,I'd love an HD of that doc).

    An episode is included as an extra. This IS Warner Archive.

  60. Cranston37

    It's probably sacrilege to say, but I've always thought The Thin Man was ripe for a remake. With the right writer and actors…

    Jonny Depp was attached to this for awhile – Not being a fan of Depp, I think that would have been a disaster. I just did a search and found several articles indicating this was "put on hold" back in 2012, so I am assuming it is effectively dead.

    Although not a remake, the TV series Hart to Hart with Robert Wagner and Stephanie (Powell?) was heavily influenced by Thin Man.

  61. Cranston37

    It's probably sacrilege to say, but I've always thought The Thin Man was ripe for a remake. With the right writer and actors…

    Jonny Depp was attached to this for awhile – Not being a fan of Depp, I think that would have been a disaster. I just did a search and found several articles indicating this was "put on hold" back in 2012, so I am assuming it is effectively dead.

    Although not a remake, the TV series Hart to Hart with Robert Wagner and Stephanie (Powell?) was heavily influenced by Thin Man.

  62. LeeBob

    Jonny Depp was attached to this for awhile – Not being a fan of Depp, I think that would have been a disaster. I just did a search and found several articles indicating this was "put on hold" back in 2012, so I am assuming it is effectively dead.

    Although not a remake, the TV series Hart to Hart with Robert Wagner and Stephanie (Powell?) was heavily influenced by Thin Man.

    After seeing Up In The Air, I am convinced George Clooney & Vera Farmiga would be a perfect Nick & Nora. Their chemistry as a true adult couple ( rare in these times) was off the charts.

  63. FWAJMB

    One of the better 85-year old HD presentations I've seen, but I found the audio somewhat distorted and tinny.

    They'd only been making talkies for seven years at this point, so you'll have to forgive them if they didn't have all of the kinks quite worked out.

  64. AnthonyClarke

    I'm still waiting. Still hovering between Ordered and Shipped, with an Amazon- predicted arrival date of between August 26 and September 12. This might be my very last Amazon order.

    Adam Lenhardt

    Still waiting on Amazon for my copy. Current estimate is "Arriving Aug 14 – Aug 28".

    Scott Merryfield

    That's my status with Amazon, as well.

    And I'm still…………………………………………………….waiting. I knew Amazon would be slow, but gee whiz, they really are slow!

  65. I'd recommend giving the podcast 'The Thrilling Adventure Hour' a listen for the episodes featuring Frank and Sadie Doyle who are clearly modelled on Nick and Norah. It's a tongue in cheek take on old times radio, recorded live and is very funny.
    Still waiting for a shipping notice from Amazon to get my copy in the United Kingdom. Must be a supply issue?!

  66. I preordered from Amazon and got it several days ago. I have Amazon Prime and they always ship quickly – are those of you who are getting slow shipping on Prime? If not, I'm thinking maybe that's the difference.

  67. Danny Burk

    I preordered from Amazon and got it several days ago. I have Amazon Prime and they always ship quickly – are those of you who are getting slow shipping on Prime? If not, I'm thinking maybe that's the difference.

    No, it's no different for Prime users. It's not really the shipping it's a lack of product. WAC and Amazon have been having a tiff (that I'm blame them BOTH for) so amazon doesn't usually get stock on the WAC titles until long after street date. In the past it's been up to two or three months at times.

  68. I have Prime also, but even before this long simmering issue between WB & Amazon has intensified to the point where Amazon gets many titles from WB a few months after release date, I have been purchasing my most desired titles–and by that I mean THE SEA HAWK, GASLIGHT, FOOTLIGHT PARADE, THE THIN MAN & the 2 Volumes of Popeyes directly from Warner Archive. Yes, it's a bit more, but these titles for me are essential; I want them right away and I think buying directly from WB sends a very positive message.

  69. lark144

    I have Prime also, but even before this long simmering issue between WB & Amazon has intensified to the point where Amazon gets many titles from WB a few months after release date, I have been purchasing my most desired titles–and by that I mean THE SEA HAWK, GASLIGHT, FOOTLIGHT PARADE, THE THIN MAN & the 2 Volumes of Popeyes directly from Warner Archive. Yes, it's a bit more, but these titles for me are essential; I want them right away and I think buying directly from WB sends a very positive message.

    I'm guessing Araca Merchandising which owns and operates WBShop will send the message back to Warner who offloaded the site in 2015 or there-about. Full Price, Sales tax, and $7 shipping on orders less than $100 just doesn't play in my plans

    I'm not sure why ordering from a site with cheaper prices and release day delivery is that bad — Barnes and Noble, Deep Discount, Best Buy, Bullmoose, Walmart. Well, pretty much everybody not named Amazon is cheaper and seems to be delivering product on time. really want to support the little guy and get great service — hard to beat Bullmoose

  70. David Norman

    I'm guessing Araca Merchandising which owns and operates WBShop will send the message back to Warner who offloaded the site in 2015 or there-about. Full Price, Sales tax, and $7 shipping on orders less than $100 just doesn't play in my plans

    I'm not sure why ordering from a site with cheaper prices and release day delivery is that bad — Barnes and Noble, Deep Discount, Best Buy, Bullmoose, Walmart. Well, pretty much everybody not named Amazon is cheaper and seems to be delivering product on time. really want to support the little guy and get great service — hard to beat Bullmoose

    My experiences are different than yours. You have expressed this view in many threads, and I've tried many of the vendors you suggest, but 1) the package arrived way past the release date, like more than 2 weeks & 2) was only a few dollars cheaper. Thus far my Blus have shown up from WB on time, and even though I generally buy two at once with different release dates, they are sent to me separately without additional postage charged. Anyway, that's my experience. I've tried Best Buy, B&N as well as Deep Discount, but have been disappointed. Still, it's always good to get other recommendations. I've never heard of Bullmoose, so I might give that a try.

  71. Generally I get my Warner Archive titles through Barnes & Noble. Faster than Amazon, and with a 20 percent off coupon, competitive in price.

    In the case of The Thin Man, Amazon's preorder price was worth the extended wait.

  72. lark144

    My experiences are different than yours. You have expressed this view in many threads, and I've tried many of the vendors you suggest, but 1) the package arrived way past the release date, like more than 2 weeks & 2) was only a few dollars cheaper. Thus far my Blus have shown up from WB on time, and even though I generally buy two at once with different release dates, they are sent to me separately without additional postage charged. Anyway, that's my experience. I've tried Best Buy, B&N as well as Deep Discount, but have been disappointed. Still, it's always good to get other recommendations. I've never heard of Bullmoose, so I might give that a try.

    Not doubting WB deliver on time (most of my orders from them have), but paying $26-28 for a title I can get from B&N for $18 or Bullmoose for $20. Not that i preorder that much since I normally wait for the sales (BN 40% or WB 4/44) , but during the B&N 40% off sale I got 5 preorders for less than $11 each and each of them showed up on Sat or Monday prerelease.

    2 discs shipped from WBShop — $55 after my tax
    2 typical WAC from Bullmoose — $40

    B&N is a bit harder to gauge due to membership shipping and coupons (only active after release) though I guess most BN customers tend to wait for the big sales which isn't going to be release week most of the year, but overall for preorders $40-42 after tax is what I've seen on my carts and 95+% arrive on or before street date.

    With the volume of discs I go through $8+ a disc (or $15-17 savings compared to the best sales) is a huge deal

  73. TJPC

    I would order from Warner Archive, but they will not send to Canada, and refuse to even mail to a US postal box for some wacky reason.

    It used to be b/c they used non-USPS delivery most of the time and UPS/Fedex didn't or couldn't deliver to the Post Office.
    Now with all the hybrid services all of them have a service that hands to the Post Office (SurePost, SmartPost, MI, ecommerce, etc), but some rules still apply. I still have issues with B&N cancelling some orders if I list a PO BOx address (9 out of 10 are fine).

    Since WB used UPSMI frequently/mostly now (despite sending out shipping email that link to DHL), it really shouldnt be an issue, but some rules take a long time to unlearn

    Street Addressing can usually get by those rules if your PO officially (or unofficially) supports it.
    Most of the time they use the actual Street Address of the post office and a 2nd Line can be Apt/Suite/Unit/Number (PO box). You may need to ask you PO is that's allowed. My tiny PO doesn't officially support it,but the one full time clerk has told me it's no big deal since she sorts all the packages anyway and knows the couple hundred boxes by heart. Since I started using that for B&N, I haven't had a single package cancelled. It didn't even matter when I had got the actual street number wrong (screwed up and wrote 101 instead of 100), but the Postmaster caught every package and put it where it belonged rather than delivering it across the street.

  74. Danny Burk

    I preordered from Amazon and got it several days ago. I have Amazon Prime and they always ship quickly – are those of you who are getting slow shipping on Prime? If not, I'm thinking maybe that's the difference.

    I am a Prime member, but have the same estimated August 14th – 28th delivery date mentioned by others in this thread. I ordered it during the Prime Days sale, when the price was under $15. Price always wins out over earlier delivery for me.

  75. Hmm, strange. I preordered THIN MAN, FOOTLIGHT PARADE, and GASLIGHT from Amazon, and got all of them within 2-3 days of issue (if not sooner – I don't keep track of it). Maybe Amazon just likes me. 😀

  76. ahollis

    I gave up on Amazon for WAC titles seven months ago.

    Will Krupp

    […] It's not really the shipping it's a lack of product. WAC and Amazon have been having a tiff […]

    Danny Burk

    Hmm, strange. I preordered THIN MAN, FOOTLIGHT PARADE, and GASLIGHT from Amazon, and got all of them within 2-3 days of issue […]

    "Well, sometimes the magic works. Sometimes, it doesn't" – Old Lodge Skins, "Little Big Man"

  77. Cranston37

    I couldn't believe they shot the movie in 2 1/2 weeks!

    I could as many of those films that are short in length with mostly interior scenes can be shot in 2-3 weeks back then. Shooting schedules were very economical back in the day.

  78. Robert Crawford

    I could as many of those films that are short in length with mostly interior scenes can be shot in 2-3 weeks back then. Shooting schedules were very economical back in the day.

    This one was ESPECIALLY fast though, even for the time. WS Van Dyke only had a brief window of time if he wanted to use Powell and Loy after MANHATTAN MELODRAMA (and he DID) because they were both due on other pictures (I want to say hers was STAMBOUL QUEST but I can't honestly remember.) It wasn't necessarily economics in this case but availability. They increased the breakneck speed of the production by actually having two setups on opposite sides of the soundstage ready to go at the same time. They'd finish one and turn the cameras around to start on the next, which was all set to go with no waiting.

    On a side note, Myrna Loy tells the story of the "final roundup" at the dinner table in her autobiography. They were real oysters being served at the dinner BUT (and it's an important "but') they only had one set that they kept putting out and removing between takes. She tells how they started to putrefy under the lights and everybody was getting absolutely green from the smell. She never ate an oyster again. She also tells the story of William Powell recounting the facts of the case in that same scene. Between takes, she leaned over to him and whispered, "I don't know how you're managing this, I'm so confused by it all." He turned to her under his breath and said, "You're confused? I have no goddamn idea what I"m even saying!."

  79. Will Krupp

    This one was ESPECIALLY fast though, even for the time. WS Van Dyke only had a brief window of time if he wanted to use Powell and Loy after MANHATTAN MELODRAMA (and he DID) because they were both due on other pictures (I want to say hers was STAMBOUL QUEST but I can't honestly remember.) They increased the breakneck speed of the production by actually having two setups on opposite sides of the soundstage ready to go at the same time. They'd finish one and turn the cameras around to start on the next, which was all set to go with no waiting.

    On a side note, Myrna Loy tells the story of the "final roundup" at the dinner table in her autobiography. They were real oysters being served at the dinner BUT (and it's an important "but') they only had one set that they kept putting out and removing between takes. She tells how they started to putrefy under the lights and everybody was getting absolutely green from the smell. She never ate an oyster again. She also tells the story of William Powell recounting the facts of the case in that same scene. Between takes, she leaned over to him and whispered, "I don't know how you're managing this, I'm so confused by it all." He turned to her under his breath and said, "You're confused? I have no goddamn idea what I"m even saying!."

    I'm just saying it wasn't unusual for them to finish such a movie in less than 3 weeks time. It happened quite a lot with many films of that film length.

  80. Robert Crawford

    I'm just saying it wasn't unusual for them to finish such a movie in less than 3 weeks time. It happened quite a lot with many films of that film length.

    I usually hate it when someone belabors a point like I'm about to do, but I just looked up some similar comedies of that era (His Girl Friday, Bringing Up Baby, The Awful Truth) and the productions ranged from 2-4 months.

    I don't think saying 2.5 weeks is surprising is THAT far out of left field…

  81. Cranston37

    I usually hate it when someone belabors a point like I'm about to do, but I just looked up some similar comedies of that era (His Girl Friday, Bringing Up Baby, The Awful Truth) and the productions ranged from 2-4 months.

    I don't think saying 2.5 weeks is surprising is THAT far out of left field…

    Well, I'm not going to belabor the point any further by looking up other films from 1934 with similar film production length.

  82. Cranston37

    I usually hate it when someone belabors a point like I'm about to do, but I just looked up some similar comedies of that era (His Girl Friday, Bringing Up Baby, The Awful Truth) and the productions ranged from 2-4 months.

    I don't think saying 2.5 weeks is surprising is THAT far out of left field…

    Proof positive that when the martinis get flowing so, too, does the daily working hours.;)

  83. Robert Crawford

    Well, I'm not going to belabor the point any further by looking up other films from 1934 with similar film production length.

    We're doing forensic analysis 4 seconds of audio from The Wizard of Oz – I'm feeling short changed… 😉

  84. PMF

    Proof positive that when the martinis get flowing so, too, does the daily working hours.;)

    Cranston37

    Yeah the Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz scenes were shot in like a week 😉

    Kinda brings a whole new meaning to "Ease on Down the Road".:roll:

  85. Cranston37

    We're doing forensic analysis 4 seconds of audio from The Wizard of Oz – I'm feeling short changed… 😉

    You will see I bowed out of that one too. I spent more time on that little film point instead of discussing how fantastic TWOO looks in 4K/Dolby Vision.:blush:

  86. Cranston37

    I usually hate it when someone belabors a point like I'm about to do, but I just looked up some similar comedies of that era (His Girl Friday, Bringing Up Baby, The Awful Truth) and the productions ranged from 2-4 months.

    I don't think saying 2.5 weeks is surprising is THAT far out of left field…

    Production or filming? Production entails set building and costume making and tests before filming begins, and editing and scoring after filming ends. Filming is always shorter than production time.

  87. JohnMor

    Production or filming? Production entails set building and costume making and tests before filming begins, and editing and scoring after filming ends. Filming is always shorter than production time.

    We are talking about filming time.

  88. Hey guys, I can’t really add much. Just wanted to say that my order for this film from Amazon is taking forever. Won’t have it till end of August. So I cancelled it and ordered through Best Buy. Won’t get it till next week.

  89. I knew going in that it was going to take a Looooooong time to get a WAC order from Amazon, especially one as popular as this one.
    Like others, I only ordered it because the Prime Days price was too attractive to pass up. I don't normally watch this movie until later in the year, so it isn't that big a deal to wait. Okay, maybe it is.

    I keep telling myself:

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  90. I got my copy yesterday (and it looks glorious!) from Amazon. Still waiting for my WAC copy of MERRILL'S MARAUDERS, which I ordered earlier and was released the week before THE THIN MAN! Crazy.

    Rodney

    I knew going in that it was going to take a Looooooong time to get a WAC order from Amazon, especially one as popular as this one.
    Like others, I only ordered it because the Prime Days price was too attractive to pass up. I don't normally watch this movie until later in the year, so it isn't that big a deal to wait. Okay, maybe it is.

    I keep telling myself:

    [​IMG]

  91. Ha, ha! Yeah, I’m not in a hurry either to get my copy. I wasn’t aware Amazon has this lag fulfilling orders from WAC. I didn’t like having an order out so long that I might forget it and it never gets fulfilled for some reason.

  92. I had the privilege of watching "The Thin Man" with Myrna Loy in the audience. She made an appearance at a theater to promote a new biography or autobiography. She was only suppose to be there to introduce the film and promote the book but ended up staying to see the film.

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  93. James Wong Howe's cinematography looked as fresh as if it had been shot yesterday. Glorious! And what joyful, natural camaraderie between the two leads (and Asta).
    I also got to see Loy in person at a Cinecon in NY. She maintained that regal posture which made her look so tall and elegant, and had just the tiniest set of spider-web wrinkles on her face.

  94. Rodney

    I knew going in that it was going to take a Looooooong time to get a WAC order from Amazon, especially one as popular as this one.
    Like others, I only ordered it because the Prime Days price was too attractive to pass up.

    That was my reasoning too; If not for the Prime Day pricing, I would have paid more through Barnes & Noble or waited a lot longer for the next WBShop 4 for $44 sale.

    That being said, my delivery estimate just updated from "Arriving Aug 14 – Aug 28" to "Expected by Aug 28" — so it's not looking good.

  95. My copy of The Thin Man and Gaslight arrived yesterday. Way faster then Best Buy had estimated, which was supposed to be next week, midweek. I was surprised. And I’m wondering what it is with Amazon with Warner.

  96. Generally I've found BBY estimates tend to be extremely conservative and things usually arrive well before they predict — at least for non preorders.

    Hard to know what's the deal with Amazon and the Allied Vaughn discs (WAC, SOny and Univeral MOD) — I could guess. Regular WHV releases aren't nearly as affected though there are still some issues. Given Amazon and Warners on-again/off-again issues which seem to flare up every couple years which seem to mirror Disney in some ways (except Disney appears to not be playing AMazon's game at all) you'd have to think it a lot of the same issues that have plagued them before. Amazon seems to want a substantially bigger cut of the pie than the sale than distribution deals the company has with every other retailer so they make more per item selling for the same price as the other stores.

  97. This is getting ridiculous. I just checked on my Amazon order and it now says "Arriving Sep 7 – Sep 20".
    Ordered on July 17, 2019, so it may be two months or more before it gets in my hands.

    When it comes to Disney and Warner Archive titles, Amazon is Heinz 57:

  98. Rodney

    This is getting ridiculous. I just checked on my Amazon order and it now says "Arriving Sep 7 – Sep 20".
    Ordered on July 17, 2019, so it may be two months or more before it gets in my hands.

    When it comes to Disney and Warner Archive titles, Amazon is Heinz 57:

    are you looking at your order delivery? or the product listing?

    My order still says Expected by Aug 28 . The product listing says Sept 8-21, which would be for brand new orders.

  99. ahollis

    It’s interning that people post how much they they saved by ordering it from another company, then complain it hasn’t arrive.

    As much as I want the forum to benefit financially from Amazon orders, it's not a secret that Warner and Disney have been in a dispute with Amazon for what seems like forever. Knowing that information while still ordering from Amazon at a good price point, you just have to realize your order is going be delayed and any amount of complaining on this forum isn't going to change that as it's been a reality for a long time.

    With that said, one of the reasons why this forum exists is for people to complain about such things.:)

  100. Robert Crawford

    With that said, one of the reasons why this forum exists is for people to complain about such things.:)

    As well as complaints complaining about the complainers. 🙂

    Like I posted earlier, I am well prepared to wait, but this was the first time I got a series of change of dates from them. They really must have a lousy relationship with WB.

  101. I just think it's ridiculous that people seem to ONLY blame Amazon for this pain. Warner is just as guilty of not caring about customers getting their product in a timely manner through the world's largest online retailer. They're both fucking the consumer over because they're too busy arguing about the size of their dicks.

    I haven't used Amazon to get the Warner titles that I really want but there are also multiple Warner titles I just didn't want ENOUGH to put up with higher prices and shipping costs, so both of them have lost out on some of my dollars (not that they both don't already get enough!)

    I've had it with both of them.

  102. Will Krupp

    I just think it's ridiculous that people seem to ONLY blame Amazon for this pain. Warner is just as guilty of not caring about customers getting their product in a timely manner through the world's largest online retailer. They're both fucking the consumer over because they're too busy arguing about the size of their dicks.

    I haven't used Amazon to get the Warner titles that I really want but there are also multiple Warner titles I just didn't want ENOUGH to put up with higher prices and shipping costs, so both of them have lost out on some of my dollars (not that they both don't already get enough!)

    I've had it with both of them.

    They blame Amazon because Warner apparently doesn't have major in-stock issues with any other retailer. Amazon's reputation for playing hard ball with suppliers is well known and since they're the big kid on the block, people naturally paint them as the bad guy. Similar to Disney.

  103. Will Krupp

    I just think it's ridiculous that people seem to ONLY blame Amazon for this pain. Warner is just as guilty of not caring about customers getting their product in a timely manner through the world's largest online retailer. They're both fucking the consumer over because they're too busy arguing about the size of their dicks.

    The impression I get is that WAC can't make money at the terms that Amazon is seeking. It makes perfect sense to me that WAC prioritizes the sellers it has a good relationship with over the sellers it has a poor relationship with.

    That being said, I'm keeping my Amazon preorder for this out of a morbid curiosity of just how long it will take to arrive. I definitely won't be ordering any WAC titles from Amazon in the future.

  104. Adam Lenhardt

    The impression I get is that WAC can't make money at the terms that Amazon is seeking.

    Where does THAT impression come from? Has there been official word from Warner stating that they can't afford to sell on Amazon? I know they've been feuding over contract terms (since 2014 in one regard or the other!) but to think Amazon is insisting the they take a loss on each unit sold is, with all due respect, senseless.

    At the beginning of the year, there was an issue with Warner product disappearing from the Amazon Prime streaming service for about three months or so. That wasn't related to cost to produce, it was related to two behemoths more concerned about getting what they want than servicing their consumers. Warner is no innocent victim here, neither of them is.

  105. I use Amazon for it convenience and low prices. As expected, I had to wait some time for the Popeye blu-rays as well as "The Thin Man," but I have such a big backlog of movies to watch on blu-ray, dvd, and dvr that I don't really mind the wait all that much. I'm not saying the situation is ideal, but the matter isn't high on my irritation list. Oddly enough, the "Footlight Parade" blu-ray arrived within a week of its release.

  106. Arthur Powell

    I use Amazon for it convenience and low prices. As expected, I had to wait some time for the Popeye blu-rays as well as "The Thin Man," but I have such a big backlog of movies to watch on blu-ray, dvd, and dvr that I don't really mind the wait all that much. I'm not saying the situation is ideal, but the matter isn't high on my irritation list. Oddly enough, the "Footlight Parade" blu-ray arrived within a week of its release.

    I feel the same and had the same result: Footlight Parade arrived on its release day. No other Warner Archive Blu-ray has arrived on time this entire year. I don't sweat it because my backlog is immense, and there are always new series on Netflix and Prime to keep me eternally occupied, but it's galling nevertheless.

  107. Matt Hough

    I feel the same and had the same result: Footlight Parade arrived on its release day. No other Warner Archive Blu-ray has arrived on time this entire year. I don't sweat it because my backlog is immense, and there are always new series on Netflix and Prime to keep me eternally occupied, but it's galling nevertheless.

    I wonder if some correlation can be made with the number of units ordered and wait time. If Warner slowly provides the stock and there were a lot of orders, the result is a month+ wait after the release date. If we have the same situation but with fewer orders, then we're more likely to receive the discs quickly. So, perhaps this all means that "Footlight Parade" hasn't sold as well as "The Thin Man" and Popeye collections. Again, this is all supposition. I do recall waiting a few weeks for 'The Sea Hawk" so I would like to think that would bode well for more Errol Flynn (hey WAC – my Flynn wish list is still lengthy ;))

  108. According to my sources, WAC has provided Amazon plenty of copies of these releases. I know for a fact Amazon had ample copies of the Popeye Vol. 2 disc people are just starting to get now, a full two months after the release date. Seems to be some sort of standoff going on, so best to go elsewhere.

  109. ThadK

    According to my sources, WAC has provided Amazon plenty of copies of these releases. I know for a fact Amazon had ample copies of the Popeye Vol. 2 disc people are just starting to get now, a full two months after the release date. Seems to be some sort of standoff going on, so best to go elsewhere.

    So Amazon is just hording copies in their warehouse to screw with WAC/Allied Vaughn?
    While it certainly wouldn't put it past Amazon in general that sounds a bit far fetched.

    For items that can be replaced fairly easily (non Limited Editions) it doesn't seem to be a great strategy since it's not really stressing anyone other than Amazon customers. Most collectors of this type disc already know to go elsewhere either initially or certainly within a short window of delay. Not a lot of people seem to be blaming Warner since it's easy to see copies at every other known retailer (other than the small number of Amazon cultists who seem to have already decided it's a one seller world) and pretty obvious the disc is easily available.

  110. ThadK

    According to my sources, WAC has provided Amazon plenty of copies of these releases. I know for a fact Amazon had ample copies of the Popeye Vol. 2 disc people are just starting to get now, a full two months after the release date. Seems to be some sort of standoff going on, so best to go elsewhere.

    I’m confused by this post.

    You state that Amazon ‘had ample copies’ but is only shipping them “now, a full two months after the release date”.

    Are you implying that Amazon sat on these copies for two months?

  111. ThadK

    According to my sources, WAC has provided Amazon plenty of copies of these releases. I know for a fact Amazon had ample copies of the Popeye Vol. 2 disc people are just starting to get now, a full two months after the release date. Seems to be some sort of standoff going on, so best to go elsewhere.

    If that’s true, it makes no business sense at all. All it does is drive most purchasers to other retailers. It punishes themselves and in no way punishes WAC.

  112. Arthur Powell

    I wonder if some correlation can be made with the number of units ordered and wait time. If Warner slowly provides the stock and there were a lot of orders, the result is a month+ wait after the release date. If we have the same situation but with fewer orders, then we're more likely to receive the discs quickly. So, perhaps this all means that "Footlight Parade" hasn't sold as well as "The Thin Man" and Popeye collections. Again, this is all supposition. I do recall waiting a few weeks for 'The Sea Hawk" so I would like to think that would bode well for more Errol Flynn (hey WAC – my Flynn wish list is still lengthy ;))

    I think you may be thinking too hard on this. I don’t think sales have any relation on what Amazon ships. I believe it depends on who orders first. After the first shipment from WAC is sold out, which Amazon more than likely orders a limited amount, then it takes a week or so for them to be replenished.

  113. You can believe what you want – none of it makes sense to me either. All I know is that Amazon at least had ample copies of the Popeye discs in hand ahead of release. It seemed like an anomaly until this started happening with every new WAC title. I have no idea what is actually going on (Is there a standoff between Amazon and WAC or a particular fulfillment center?), but all it points to is to not buy new WAC titles thru Amazon, obviously.

  114. Matt Hough

    I feel the same and had the same result: Footlight Parade arrived on its release day. No other Warner Archive Blu-ray has arrived on time this entire year. I don't sweat it because my backlog is immense, and there are always new series on Netflix and Prime to keep me eternally occupied, but it's galling nevertheless.

    I canceled my pre-order of The Thin Man and ordered it (along with another title to get free shipping) from B&N. My Amazon order was supposed to ship on 8-28. I did not have to have it now, but I felt I should shop from the retailer that offered better service. Had the Amazon order been half the price of B&N, I might have stood pat; but it was only $1 less.

  115. David_B_K

    I canceled my pre-order of The Thin Man and ordered it (along with another title to get free shipping) from B&N. My Amazon order was supposed to ship on 8-28. I did not have to have it now, but I felt I should shop from the retailer that offered better service. Had the Amazon order been half the price of B&N, I might have stood pat; but it was only $1 less.

    Thanks for mentioning that. I've now done the same – although free shipping isn't an option for Canadian orders. Ordering from Canada can be a pain and that's why I tend to go with Amazon.com if Amazon Canada doesn't have it available (Amazon.com even clears it through customs, which most U.S. sellers don't do). But B&N was excellent when I picked up some Criterion titles during the summer sale so I hope to now be watching The Thin Man sooner than if I had stuck with Amazon.

  116. sitman

    I've had my Thin Man BD on pre-order at Amazon for several weeks but today, release day, the site shows "temporarily out of stock." That had also been the case with my previous Blu-ray pre-orders of Footlight Parade, Gaslight, and Popeye Vol. 2. I ended up cancelling those orders and getting them from the WB Shop or Barnes & Noble. It seems that Amazon's relationship with the WB Archive has changed. Maybe WB delays its shipments to Amazon because they undersell their own prices by several dollars?

    Wouldn't explain why all the retailers selling for less than Amazon still get plenty of product.
    WB doesn't have a price — they haven't owned or operated WBShop in years

  117. David Norman

    Wouldn't explain why all the retailers selling for less than Amazon still get plenty of product.

    A desire to punish Amazon and force their customer base toward somewhere else would explain it. As I've said, Warner is no altruistic hero in all of this and it's time we assign equal blame instead of just defending them because we like what they sell. You mentioned (at least I think it was you?) Amazon cultists up thread, I think we've got some Warner cultists as well who always assume the company is doing the right thing and is always the victim.

    David Norman

    WB doesn't have a price — they haven't owned or operated WBShop in years

    Which is why I always think it's pointless when someone says they need to buy from WBShop at full price to show their support for classic releases on blu-ray. It doesn't move the needle at all. Warner is still selling to WBShop at (one assumes) the same discount they're selling to other retailers so anything over that goes to directly to the retailer.

  118. Will Krupp

    A desire to punish Amazon and force their customer base toward somewhere else would explain it. As I've said, Warner is no altruistic hero in all of this and it's time we assign equal blame instead of just defending them because we like what they sell. You mentioned (at least I think it was you?) Amazon cultists up thread, I think we've got some Warner cultists as well who always assume the company is doing the right thing and is always the victim.

    I think that's an unfair statement! I don't see any Warner cultists saying their beyond criticism. Name me some Warner cultists instead of just implying such. Warner gets its fair share of criticism on this forum. I've been very critical of them and how they handle Warner titles on iTunes for example as they don't upgrade their Warner titles on that service with newer transfers after being released on Blu-ray by Warner Archive.

    Another thing, even Amazon has far more detractors than cultists on this forum. There are few of us that don't have some issues with them and their service. The same with Disney. Now, if you want to talk about Apple's cultists that's another story.:)

  119. Robert Crawford

    Warner gets its fair share of criticism on this forum.

    As does Amazon, yet I didn't see you objecting to the labeling of Amazon "cultists." In fact, you "liked" the post.

    Robert Crawford

    Name me some Warner cultists instead of just implying such.

    You had someone on this very thread claiming (and believing) that Amazon has plenty of copies of these titles on hand and is just sitting on them for months. You don't believe it's a fair statement to imply there are people who want to paint Warner as always the victim and never the aggressor? I only used the word cultist to mirror the previous post, if you don't like the word then feel free to replace it with one that equally suits.

  120. Will Krupp

    As does Amazon, yet I didn't see you objecting to the labeling of Amazon "cultists." In fact, you "liked" the post.

    You had someone on this very thread claiming (and believing) that Amazon has plenty of copies of these titles on hand and is just sitting on them for months. You don't believe it's a fair statement to imply there are people who want to paint Warner as always the victim and never the aggressor? I only used the word cultist to mirror the previous post, if you don't like the word then feel free to replace it with one that equally suits.

    TBH, I don't recall any Amazon "cultists". As far as Warner, they're no different than any major corporation in which none of them are just victims. I have noted more than a few times about corporate greed and how it has permeated throughout big business. The two big dogs are Amazon and Disney. Both companies get a major share of criticism as a large segment of us have experienced some issues with them.

  121. I forgot, Warner, who's parent company is AT&T is the third big dog and I find their business practices on the same scale as Amazon and Disney. I'm not happy with any of them in how they're treating their consumer base. That's not to say that there aren't some things I do like from any of those companies. However, they have warts too and they show at times in the services and products they offer the general public. Again, no major corporation is above criticism.

  122. Will Krupp

    Well that's all that I'm saying.

    Listen, I've been a DirecTV customer for almost 25 years, my phone and internet service has been with them for almost the same length of time. I'm not a happy customer and have expressed that sentiment more than a few times on this forum. I am seriously thinking of making some major changes to how I spend my entertainment, internet and phone service dollars.

  123. I pre-ordered The Thin Man from Amazon on July 5th. My order still says that it is "Expected by August 28th." So, we'll see. I've gotten no notice of shipping yet.

    Meanwhile, I pre-ordered Jezebel from Amazon on July 29th and it is listed as "Out for Delivery" and I will have it today (on its release day of August 27th).

  124. Robert Crawford

    Listen, I've been a DirecTV customer for almost 25 years, my phone and internet service has been with them for almost the same length of time. I'm not a happy customer and have expressed that sentiment more than a few times on this forum. I am seriously thinking of making some major changes to how I spend my entertainment, internet and phone service dollars.

    Well I have a feeling I may be opening a whole new can of worms but I think xfinity gives you a lot more bang for your buck than DirecTV does. lol

  125. Well, as long as my copy of The Thin Man arrives before I start my Christmas viewings, everything’s copacetic.

    It’s currently on order from Amazon – expected delivery “tomorrow” :wacko:

    And my delivered charge will be $15.47

  126. Mike Frezon

    I pre-ordered The Thin Man from Amazon on July 5th. My order still says that it is "Expected by August 28th." So, we'll see. I've gotten no notice of shipping yet.

    I am in the same boat, and it's now the 28th. Price still wins out for me, so I will let this order ride for now, but this is getting ridiculous.

  127. Mike Frezon

    I pre-ordered The Thin Man from Amazon on July 5th. My order still says that it is "Expected by August 28th." So, we'll see. I've gotten no notice of shipping yet.

    Mine says "Arriving today by 8 PM" but still hasn't shipped…

  128. Scott Merryfield

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    Somehow, I don't think it's getting here by 8pm today. 🙄

    My order screen is exactly the same, (except I ordered mine on July 16). I went to the help chat and received yet another $5 promotional credit from Amazon. One more of those, and my order will be free, (but, I still won't have my product)!

  129. Mike Frezon

    I pre-ordered The Thin Man from Amazon on July 5th. My order still says that it is "Expected by August 28th." So, we'll see. I've gotten no notice of shipping yet.

    Meanwhile, I pre-ordered Jezebel from Amazon on July 29th and it is listed as "Out for Delivery" and I will have it today (on its release day of August 27th).

    KPmusmag

    Just got a notice from amazon, shipped and I should have it tomorrow

    I just got a notice from Amazon.

    "We're encountering a delay in shipping the item below (The Thin Man)." The new delivery date is September 4th.

    Meanwhile, Jezebel proved her punctuality and showed up right on time yesterday.

  130. Mike Frezon

    I just got a notice from Amazon.

    "We're encountering a delay in shipping the item below (The Thin Man)." The new delivery date is September 4th.

    I got the same, but then I got a subsequent update: "Now arriving Saturday"

    This is the first time an updated estimate has had a sooner date instead of a later date, so I'm thinking they might have gotten more stock in.

  131. Will Krupp

    You had someone on this very thread claiming (and believing) that Amazon has plenty of copies of these titles on hand and is just sitting on them for months. You don't believe it's a fair statement to imply there are people who want to paint Warner as always the victim and never the aggressor? I only used the word cultist to mirror the previous post, if you don't like the word then feel free to replace it with one that equally suits.

    I mean, that's what I was told about the one single title and the insane delayed shipping. Doesn't make me a cultist just for relaying that information. Clearly something rotten is afoot in the WAC-Amazon relationship if this is happening again and again and again.

  132. ThadK

    I mean, that's what I was told about the one single title and the insane delayed shipping. Doesn't make me a cultist just for relaying that information. Clearly something rotten is afoot in the WAC-Amazon relationship if this is happening again and again and again.

    Thad, I apologize for that. I shouldn't have said it. I didn't mean to hurt your feeling and I hope you will forgive me. I am sorry.

  133. Will Krupp

    You don't believe it's a fair statement to imply there are people who want to paint Warner as always the victim and never the aggressor?

    I think people tend to side with Warner in the absence of any reliable information either way because Amazon seems to have these conflicts with multiple studios, while Warner only seems to have this conflict with this one retailer.

  134. My copy is “Shipping Now”, and my CC has been charged.
    My son’s copy (different address, different order) is “Preparing For Shipment “

    Only a month after release, and come Christmas, I won’t know or remember that it was ‘late’

  135. I’ve decided patience and savings are virtues so I will get all my WAC discs from the WB store during their $11 sales. Can’t beat that price and free shipping any place else… and it sounds like I won’t be getting them too much later than anyone else by waiting for the sales. 😀

  136. This is so weird. On Wednesday, I received an e-mail from Amazon saying the delivery date for my copy of The Thin Man was September 4th. Just now, I got an e-mail from them saying my package was out for delivery and it would arrive today. I mean, of course I'm excited and delighted by this surprise, but it is kind of strange. I have never had this happen to me before with Amazon.

  137. Matt Hough

    This is so weird. On Wednesday, I received an e-mail from Amazon saying the delivery date for my copy of The Thin Man was September 4th. Just now, I got an e-mail from them saying my package was out for delivery and it would arrive today. I mean, of course I'm excited and delighted by this surprise, but it is kind of strange. I have never had this happen to me before with Amazon.

    I had some similar incidents in which an item like a disc wasn't available until later and the next thing I know the item will be delivered today or tomorrow.

  138. Budgeting and the venues where I have accounts meant I was only able to order The Thin Man (and Footlight Parade) directly from WAC. Did so this past Saturday, discs are in hand today while I'm still on vacation. The musical gets spun this afternoon, while the mystery waits for my wife to get home from work this evening.
    :razz:opcorn:

  139. Well, I watched it tonight and couldn't have been more pleased with it. Never has it ever looked so close to pristine. All that damage, dirt, and scratches from the old transfer are distant memories with just one little remaining age stripe remaining (that I noticed on this first viewing). I was in heaven!

    And it's just as funny as it ever was only now we can see pinstripe suits and facial features with so much more clarity.

    Thanks to Warners. This WAS worth the wait!

  140. Adam Lenhardt

    To this day, I've never really paid attention to the central mystery from the time jump through until the dinner party. If you just pay attention to the drinking, you'll get through the movie just fine.

    Whose drinks? Nick and Nora's, or yours?

  141. My copy arrived yesterday. Unfortunately, we will not have time to watch this for a few days, but I am looking forward to finally seeing the restoration. I don't like martinis, so I'll have to have some wine or beer with Nick and Nora. 😉

  142. Adam Lenhardt

    To this day, I've never really paid attention to the central mystery from the time jump through until the dinner party. If you just pay attention to the drinking, you'll get through the movie just fine.

    It's actually a very good mystery, well plotted and suitably arranged to fool the viewer until Nick makes everything clear at the conclusion. Once the murderer is identified, I wanted to kick myself for not seeing through the charade and picking the correct person.

  143. Matt Hough

    It's actually a very good mystery, well plotted and suitably arranged to fool the viewer until Nick makes everything clear at the conclusion. Once the murderer is identified, I wanted to kick myself for not seeing through the charade and picking the correct person.

    It's funny you mention that, Matt. I always pride myself of being able to "figure out" murder mysteries (Agatha Christie is a snap because I learned to think like her) but I was ALWAYS surprised with the entire THIN MAN series in that I was NEVER able to figure it out upon first viewing yet it was always a fair solution. The ending of the second movie remains my favorite (with the solution in THIN MAN GOES HOME a close second.) SHADOW OF THE THIN MAN is surprise every time I see it because I find the central mystery so unmemorable I can never recall "who" done it between viewings!

  144. Will Krupp

    It's funny you mention that, Matt. I always pride myself of being able to "figure out" murder mysteries (Agatha Christie is a snap because I learned to think like her) but I was ALWAYS surprised with the entire THIN MAN series in that I was NEVER able to figure it out upon first viewing yet it was always a fair solution. The ending of the second movie remains my favorite (with the solution in THIN MAN GOES HOME a close second.) SHADOW OF THE THIN MAN is surprise every time I see it because I find the central mystery so unmemorable I can never recall "who" done it between viewings!

    The Thin Man Goes Home, my least favorite of the series, is also the only one I was able to guess on first viewing.

  145. Matt Hough

    The Thin Man Goes Home, my least favorite of the series, is also the only one I was able to guess on first viewing.

    Isn't that funny? I love the solution to that one and, despite the deterioration of Nora's character (dumbing down her intelligence to an almost criminal degree) and the fact that neither Nick nor Nora should be anywhere NEAR this mystery or this setting, I've always enjoyed it for the small town feel and the (I think) great supporting cast.

  146. AnthonyClarke

    Hi Will .. re Agatha Christie.
    Be truthful .. though I'm sure you usually are. Did you get the guilty party on the first reading of her greatest mystery, The Murder of Roger Ackroyd?

    I'm not WIll, but as a huge CHristie fan, I can say without shame I did not get the identity of the murderer correctly in this. In fact, I can count on the fingers of one hand the mysteries of hers I guessed correctly before the revelations: Hercule Poirot's Christmas, The Hollow, The Mirror Crack'd from Side to Side, Endless Night, and Sleeping Murder.

  147. Will Krupp

    Isn't that funny? I love the solution to that one and, despite the deterioration of Nora's character (dumbing down her intelligence to an almost criminal degree) and the fact that neither Nick nor Nora should be anywhere NEAR this mystery or this setting, I've always enjoyed it for the small town feel and the (I think) great supporting cast.

    It's funny that Leon Ames is a suspect in this one and Song of the Thin Man, playing completely different characters, of course (I will say nothing else about his participation in the movies).

  148. AnthonyClarke

    Hi Will .. re Agatha Christie.
    Be truthful .. though I'm sure you usually are. Did you get the guilty party on the first reading of her greatest mystery, The Murder of Roger Ackroyd?

    I did NOT. That's one of the books that TAUGHT me how to think like Dame Agatha!

    I had to go through quite a few books before I picked up the tricks. I wasn't born with it, heh.

    Matt Hough

    I can count on the fingers of one hand the mysteries of hers I guessed correctly before the revelations: Hercule Poirot's Christmas

    and again, funny because I did not!

  149. Rodney

    Mike, my copy got delivered today, did yours also show up?

    Hah! I did NOT, Rodney!

    Instead, I got the dreaded ""We're encountering a delay in shipping…" e-mail @ 7:40 this morning.

    By 3:11pm this afternoon, I got another notice that "My order has shipped." It is now due to arrive on Tuesday, September 3rd.

    🙄

  150. Robert Harris

    Grange Hermitage, please

    A funny story… way back around 1980, my father was establishing a garden in a new house he had built for our family. He was getting help from an old family friend, an Italian man who was well into his 70s. The man had brought around one of those huge flasks of home-made red wine in the woven basket, and he was gradually working his way through it – as he worked outside, he would replenish himself with a glass of red wine mixed with lemonade.

    Eventually, the big bottle ran out. My father was not a drinker at all. The only bottle he had in the house was a bottle of Grange Hermitage that he had won in a billiards tournament. So he opened it up and gave it to his old friend, mixed with lemonade.:)

  151. bugsy-pal

    A funny story… way back around 1980, my father was establishing a garden in a new house he had built for our family. He was getting help from an old family friend, an Italian man who was well into his 70s. The man had brought around one of those huge flasks of home-made red wine in the woven basket, and he was gradually working his way through it – as he worked outside, he would replenish himself with a glass of red wine mixed with lemonade.

    Eventually, the big bottle ran out. My father was not a drinker at all. The only bottle he had in the house was a bottle of Grange Hermitage that he had won in a billiards tournament. So he opened it up and gave it to his old friend, mixed with lemonade.:)

    The Horror!

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