A few words about…™ HDR and the new Panasonic 9000 — in 4k UHD Blu-ray

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Those peons, like me, who run films via projection, have been viewing 4k discs with HDR, trying to decode said High Dynamic Range in our minds-eye, since the system really started working properly over the past year, or so.

If you know what you’re looking at, you can tell when it’s supposed to be there, it just doesn’t pop.

I’ve personally gone through a few 4k players, beginning with the horrific Samsung toy, with the remote sized for the fingers of a six year-old girl.

Then the first of the Panasonics, which was a step up, followed by the Oppo Swan Song model.

But finally, for the first time, via the new Panasonic 9000, which I received today courtesy of Value Electronics – not a comp incidentally, as they can sell every unit they receive – I’m seeing properly decoded HDR, even with a limitation of nits – and everything looks superb.

I expected a nice incremental uptick, but for those who may be interested, the difference between the standard imagery and the 9000, which does proper tone mapping, is Night & Day.

I no longer feel like a second class citizen.

I’ll leave it to others to test this unit with OLED panels, which should also appear better, but I wouldn’t expect the major difference as seen in projection.

I would highly suggest that anyone who takes their film viewing seriously, and is running a 4k projector, to grab one ASAP.

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242 Comments

  1. Could some one tell me the difference between the UB820 and UB9000 in terms of their video capabilities. I had thought that both were identical in that area, and that the $500 disparity was mostly audio related. The UB 820 vs 9000 reviews I've read say that there is little difference (side-by-side comparison) in video output. Maybe, Value Electronics' Robert Zohn could comment on this too.

  2. Mark McSherry

    Could some one tell me the difference between the UB820 and UB9000 in terms of their video capabilities. I had thought that both were identical in that area, and that the $500 disparity was mostly audio related. The UB 820 vs 9000 reviews I've read say that there is little difference (side-by-side comparison) in video output. Maybe, Value Electronics' Robert Zorn could comment on this too.

    That's what I've read, too. The 820 should solve most video needs for projectionists.

  3. Mark McSherry

    Could some one tell me the difference between the UB820 and UB9000 in terms of their video capabilities. I had thought that both were identical in that area, and that the $500 disparity was mostly audio related. The UB 820 vs 9000 reviews I've read say that there is little difference (side-by-side comparison) in video output. Maybe, Value Electronics' Robert Zorn could comment on this too.

    The Value Electronics website uses the same description for both players:

    HDR Optimizer:

    HDR-compatible TVs use tone-mapping to match the brightness range of images according to the static metadata within the content, but optimal results are sometimes not possible due to the limitations of the specific TV model. By conducting the tone-mapping on the player, stable HDR picture quality is delivered regardless of the TV. Panasonic's original image processing technologies achieve HDR images with higher definition while tone-mapping is used to adjust the brightness level of the content. Even HDR images from ordinary HDR10 and TV footage provide optimal playback.HDR Adjustment for various viewing conditions

    The UB820 features a new HDR adjustment control, which reproduces dark and bright areas with high fidelity regardless of the viewing environment. Dark scenes in HDR images are sometimes difficult to see when viewed in a bright room and may require brightness adjustment. Because HDR signals are inherently different from SDR signals, existing adjustment functions are insufficient.

    The UB820 series use an original technology to optimize HDR video signals, which enables them to freely adjust the brightness of the HDR images. An HDR Setting button on the remote control allows the user to simply select the optimal setting for the viewing environment.HDR to SDR conversion (Optimized Tone Remapping for SDR-TV)

    Dynamic Range Conversion reproduces images with greater brightness and beauty than ordinary Blu-ray Disc images when played on a non-HDR TV with standard dynamic range (SDR-TV). This feature maximizes the image expression that is inherent to Ultra HD Blu-ray. This must have professional high performance 4K Blu-ray player was developed for all a/v enthusiasts and can be integrated as a stand alone unit or rack mountable.

  4. Watching HDR on severely lumen starved projectors providing somewhere between 50 and 100 nits instead of 500 or more was for years a problem. The tone mapping in the players and/or projectors was inadequate and the result too dark or too clipped. Tricks like contrast boosting and reshuffling parameters that were nor really developed for tone mapping or loading special gamma curves helped sometimes, but it was basically and endless compromise between enough pop, enough brightness, enough highlight detail and good enough colours and depending on titles as well, what to do for best results. That many discs don't have correct metadata does not help at all.
    In the last year or so better tone mapping became available in players and projectors and things look good now, if the metadata is right. Otherwise manual intervention is still needed. And the tone mapping is still static with HDR10. For the ultimate in quality dynamic tone mapping is needed as provided by Dolby Vision (when correctly implemented) or special hardware solutions for dynamic tone mapping on the fly from HDR10. Namely madVR and Lumagen Pro. With these in the path you get all the pop back, no ugly clipping and colours as correct as can be given the limits of the projector.
    I used a custom gamma for a long time and was rather happy but it had limits (colourwise and clippingwise). Since my Lumagen has the dynamic tone mapping the issue is solved. The price is steep, though and not an option for everyone. The new players get you a good way there now too at considerably less cost.

  5. For this setup, I moved not from the 820, but from the first gen 900 Pan 4k player, as the Oppo did not offer primary links to Netflix.

    The touch sensitive controls mounted at the top of the player were a constant bother.

    In most basic terms, what one receives for the addl $500, vs the 820, is a far superior build quality, and higher spec audio components – think Oppo. The 9000 weighs in at around 10 pounds, is aluminum, and is a beast. Construction – things such as the disc tray – are upgraded.

    In the end, if one is heavily into home theater, I’d go for the 9000 over the 820, and have one less glass of Screaming Eagle with your prime rib.

    If you’re on a tighter budget, and don’t mind the lesser build quality, the 820 may be your Hitler.

  6. From Mr. Zohn:

    For projector owners the UB9000 will be a nice advantage in HDR performance vs. the UB820 as the UB9000 has two projector HDR Optimizer selections, 350Nit and 500Nit tone mapping. The UB820 only has the 500Nit mode for projectors.

    Other advantages of the UB9000 is the overall premium design and build quality as well as the better 2-channel analog DACs.

    Here’s the list of UB9000 advantages over the UB820:

    • Better 2-channel audio DACs and the balanced XLR audio ports and of course the premium build quality.
    • The UB9000 has one extra projector HDR Optimizer mode, so you get “Projector Basic Luminance” that tone maps to 350Nits and the “Projector High Luminance” that maps HDR to 500Nits. The UB820 only have the 500Nit Projector High Luminance mode.
    • The UB9000 has a nice full sized backlit remote control with direct access buttons to select the HDR mode and other useful hard buttons.
    • The UB9000 has a second very detailed information status screen that displays all of the technical information on how the disc was mastered. The UB820 just has one basic information screen.
    • The separated, shielded and dedicated circuits and power supplies for the audio and video circuits help to isolate signal noise from cross polluting the adjacent circuits.
    • JVC put out a press release announcing the collaboration between JVC and Panasonic with two new firmware updates that add Custom 5 and 6 modes when JVC's 2019 NX5, NX7 or NX9 projectors are connected to the UB9000. The new custom modes will extract all of the color gamut detail at every luminance level, all of the HDR tonal details while perfectly following the PQ EOTF curve.

    Robert Zohn

  7. Mark McSherry

    I believe that the Panasonic's HDR Optimizer Settings (available in both the UB 820 and 9000) make it ideal for projectors and LED TVs. And whether they are 4K or HD.

    I'm using the 820 with a 1080P LCD until I can upgrade my display. The dynamic range conversion is excellent; no more overly bright picture or crushed blacks. I've seen downconverted UHD via other players, and it often looked worse than the standard Blu-Ray. With the 820, the UHD disc always looks as good as or better than the standard Blu-ray.

  8. Robert Harris

    I would highly suggest that anyone who takes their film viewing seriously, and is running a 4k projector, to grab one ASAP.

    And trust me, "As soon as possible" being the key phrase here. They are pretty limited allotments anyway, but once the last batch of them sells, they are gone that is it.

  9. Adam Lenhardt

    I'm using the 820 with a 1080P LCD until I can upgrade my display. The dynamic range conversion is excellent; no more overly bright picture or crushed blacks. I've seen downconverted UHD via other players, and it often looked worse than the standard Blu-Ray. With the 820, the UHD disc always looks as good as or better than the standard Blu-ray.

    The Dynamic Range Conversion is also fantastic if you don't like the "look" of the HDR presentation on a certain movie represented on a 4K display.
    I watched "The Unforgiven" a few weeks ago, and was very disappointed with the look of film in HDR (way too dark). without it the film looked great.

    It is a really great feature.

  10. Bryan^H

    And trust me, "As soon as possible" being the key phrase here. They are pretty limited allotments anyway, but once the last batch of them sells, they are gone that is it.

    Best, for those interested, to get on the Value list.

    And I’ll make the point again, toward transparency, that I paid full price for my unit.

  11. ArnoldLayne

    What does 'first timer' have to do with it? He's recommending a certain Panasonic, that's all.

    Glad you are made out of money. We all can't afford the 9000. I was just asking about an entry level player and he had mentioned his dislike for the Samsung.

  12. trajan007

    Glad you are made out of money. We all can't afford the 9000. I was just asking about an entry level player and he had mentioned his dislike for the Samsung.

    Plenty of entry level 4k players out there – and at discounts.

  13. Ernest

    Mr. Harris does the player include the feature subtitle shift allowing the user to move the subtitles up or down? Also is the player limited to region "A". Thank you.

    Mr. Harris will have to address the subtitle issue, but I can tell you that region-free players do not come directly from the manufacturer. They are modified and sold by third party companies.

  14. Ernest

    Mr. Harris does the player include the feature subtitle shift allowing the user to move the subtitles up or down? Also is the player limited to region "A". Thank you.

    I’m finding nothing in the manual that details the function. One would have to try it.

  15. The UHD format does not including region coding so any UHD disc from anywhere in the world should work on any player anywhere.

    But regular Blu-ray is still region locked, so that part of the player will be locked to whatever region you purchased it in. The Blu-ray spec does not allow manufacturers to make or market region free players. That’s why all region-free players are modified by third parties and not by the manufacturer directly.

  16. Robert Harris

    I’m finding nothing in the manual that details the function. One would have to try it.

    If this assists. I have the Panny 900 which was the predecessor to the 9000, one 820 and two 420s as backups. None of these players will do subtitle shift. And none are region hacked for Blu. I use the Oppo 203 for that which I hacked for multi region. After a lot of chopping and changing i now have the 420 as main feed for the PJ (Ottoma UHD65) because I think it gives the best tweaking options and the most refined UHD picture. I dont have Dolby Vidion available on the PJonly [email protected] plus. At one stage the 420s were discounted here for not much over 200 bucks.

  17. Ernest

    Also is the player limited to region "A". Thank you.

    It is a Region A player for DVD and Blu-ray, with no modification available to make it region-free. 4K UHD discs, of course, have no region coding.

  18. Tino

    So for my lg OLED the 820 is perfectly fine right? Don’t plan on getting a projector any time soon.

    The UB820 HDR Optimizer has four settings. Here's what that settings screen looks like.

    ——————————————————————————-

    HDR TV TYPE

    -OLED
    -Super High Luminance LCD
    -Middle or High Luminance LCD
    -Basic Luminance LCD and Projector

    It is generally recommended that you select "Middle or High Luminance LCD when
    using a compatible HDR LCD TV.

    ——————————————————————————-

    My understanding is that the UB9000 includes a fifth option for projectors with a lower luminance than Basic. Plus the ability to accept 'custom curves' for the expensive JVC projectors.

  19. Matt Hough

    Best Buy and Value Electronics are the two notable retailers for Panasonic UHD players.

    Value Electronics is a very high quality non-chain independent dealer who has very high service levels and does a lot for the industry, like sponsoring shootouts and seminars. People should be quite happy to order from them and not from Amazon or chains.

  20. Thank you for the feedback on this 4K player Robert. I am emailing value electronics and waiting to hear back. Is this player compatible with DVD-A and SACD?

  21. zoetmb

    Value Electronics is a very high quality non-chain independent dealer who has very high service levels and does a lot for the industry, like sponsoring shootouts and seminars. People should be quite happy to order from them and not from Amazon or chains.

    If one visits Value, and has a question, you won’t be speaking with a salesperson. You’ll be with an engineer, who interrelates with the manufacturers.,

  22. Robert Harris

    From Mr. Zohn:

    For projector owners the UB9000 will be a nice advantage in HDR performance vs. the UB820 as the UB9000 has two projector HDR Optimizer selections, 350Nit and 500Nit tone mapping. The UB820 only has the 500Nit mode for projectors.

    So I'm starting my research and a poster on another forum asks "Just got a panasonic ub9000 bluray player, should I set it sdr2020 or using the hdr2020 have better picture quality?"

    The responses he is getting suggests he should use sdr2020. That makes no sense.

    If I were to get one it would be paired with a JVC 790R / (aka 540) and my expectation would be to set it to hdr2020 and whatever that 350 nits choice is instead of 500. Am I tracking on that? Would I see any issues using the standard 500 nits solution on an 820 and save $500?

    For the record I'm using Javs's tone mapping on an Oppo now. It simulates HDR nicely but I have a bit of black crush cause I can't calibrate it cleanly on my own. And it's a nightmare for anyone else to run but me and it constantly pops for a 10 second lockup on resync. I'd pay to get a better solution but I don't know if I would pay $1000 for it. That's half of a new projector.

  23. Sam Posten

    So I'm starting my research and a poster on another forum asks "Just got a panasonic ub9000 bluray player, should I set it sdr2020 or using the hdr2020 have better picture quality?"

    The responses he is getting suggests he should use sdr2020. That makes no sense.

    If I were to get one it would be paired with a JVC 790R / (aka 540) and my expectation would be to set it to hdr2020 and whatever that 350 nits choice is instead of 500. Am I tracking on that? Would I see any issues using the standard 500 nits solution on an 820 and save $500?

    For the record I'm using Javs's tone mapping on an Oppo now. It simulates HDR nicely but I have a bit of black crush cause I can't calibrate it cleanly on my own. And it's a nightmare for anyone else to run but me and it constantly pops for a 10 second lockup on resync. I'd pay to get a better solution but I don't know if I would pay $1000 for it. That's half of a new projector.

    I was told to set for low/standard illumination. Dolby Vision off.

  24. trajan007

    Glad you are made out of money. We all can't afford the 9000. I was just asking about an entry level player and he had mentioned his dislike for the Samsung.

    I would just stay away from Samsung players in general. Samsung's a only ever been good at being one of the first to market for players, never about actual quality IMHO… especially if it's something on bleeding edge that definitely needs responsive, reliable customer service.

    If you need an affordable, low end UHD player, I'd much sooner try Sony or maybe LG. The Sony X700 is pretty good at the under-$200 level… although not sure it's readily available at that price right now.

    _Man_

  25. willyTass

    Yep works for some studios not others

    Eg I can play USA criterion’s and many Japanese blu rays on my Australian Panasonic 9000

    Others I can’t (eg many USA fox titles)

    This is the hack I assume you mean ?

    .View attachment 57985

    A million thanks for this headsup.

    For the benefit of Region B owners this simple hack also works in the opposite direction. So far it enables ever Criterion Region A I've put in it and a couple of Lionsgates and others. I have spent the last year looking vainly for a legally availbale region hack for the Pannys online. Et Voila!!

  26. I paired the 820 with the Epson 4010 projector and it’s incredible. It looked great even before I found the HDR Optimizer. But once I implemented it…wow. Huge difference. I hear the 5050 is even way better, so I hope to upgrade when it dropsin price.

  27. Robert Harris

    From Mr. Zohn:

    • The UB9000 has a second very detailed information status screen that displays all of the technical information on how the disc was mastered. The UB820 just has one basic information screen.

    I believe this was added to the UB820 in latest firmware update in March.

  28. Tino

    Best Buy has a deal on the LG UBK90

    $199 plus three 4K films. Was tempted but kept thinking of this thread.

    Anyone have thoughts on the UBK 90? I’m torn.

    Get the 820 if you can, it is a beautiful thing Tino. The HDR optimizer and options for video/audio are other worldly. I get lost sometimes fiddling with video settings. And the picture quality is better than anything on the market according to reviews–I think the video quality is better than my Oppo.

    Worth it.

  29. john a hunter

    I just hope the 9000 has a lot of the Oppo extras like 21:9 and subtitle adjustments.

    The Panasonic 820 and 9000 models have subtitle shift, but no 21:9 scaling for anamorphic lens support. The latter remains an OPPO exclusive feature.

  30. Sam Posten

    So I'm starting my research and a poster on another forum asks "Just got a panasonic ub9000 bluray player, should I set it sdr2020 or using the hdr2020 have better picture quality?"

    The responses he is getting suggests he should use sdr2020. That makes no sense.

    If I were to get one it would be paired with a JVC 790R / (aka 540) and my expectation would be to set it to hdr2020 and whatever that 350 nits choice is instead of 500. Am I tracking on that? Would I see any issues using the standard 500 nits solution on an 820 and save $500?

    For the record I'm using Javs's tone mapping on an Oppo now. It simulates HDR nicely but I have a bit of black crush cause I can't calibrate it cleanly on my own. And it's a nightmare for anyone else to run but me and it constantly pops for a 10 second lockup on resync. I'd pay to get a better solution but I don't know if I would pay $1000 for it. That's half of a new projector.

    "SDR2020" is a misnomer. It’s not really SDR. It’s the output mode you select in the UHD Blu-ray player if you want the player to decode the HDR video itself, rather than bitstream the raw data to the TV/display to decode and tone map. The display will receive a signal it believes is SDR, so that it won’t kick in its own HDR tone mapping. The “SDR” actually has Rec. 2020 colors and more dynamic range than regular SDR.

  31. trajan007

    Sony-UBP-UX80 ANY GOOD?

    Unless you can get it really cheap, I'd suggest waiting for updated v2 of the X800 instead. The X80 seems to be same as x800, which is missing Dolby Vision support, but is otherwise a solid player — probably better than X700, except for the missing DV support.

    _Man_

  32. JoshZ

    "SDR2020" is a misnomer. It’s not really SDR. It’s the output mode you select in the UHD Blu-ray player if you want the player to decode the HDR video itself, rather than bitstream the raw data to the TV/display to decode and tone map. The display will receive a signal it believes is SDR, so that it won’t kick in its own HDR tone mapping. The “SDR” actually has Rec. 2020 colors and more dynamic range than regular SDR.

    Ok that’s what the Javs profile is doing too. This just makes it built in. Thanks

  33. willyTass

    Yep works for some studios not others

    Eg I can play USA criterion’s and many Japanese blu rays on my Australian Panasonic 9000

    Others I can’t (eg many USA fox titles)

    This is the hack I assume you mean ?

    .View attachment 57985

    Yup!!! Thanks!!!
    Now I can put my worrying mind down when i'm going to bring back the Aussie set back from my trip!!!
    It's been not easy to source a region hacked set that can play all region DVDs… not to mention, players with remote control that let user to directly access top menu of regular FHD BDs…

  34. So my wife bought me the 820 for my birthday. Woo Hoo:)

    Question.

    It has two hdmi outs. One goes to receiver and one directly into my OLED input right?

    Or should I hook it up thru the receiver.?

  35. Tino

    So my wife bought me the 820 for my birthday. Woo Hoo:)

    Question.

    It has two hdmi outs. One goes to receiver and one directly into my OLED input right?

    That is correct no need for any more daisy chain nonsense. Welcome to the club:thumbsup:

  36. Tino

    So my wife bought me the 820 for my birthday. Woo Hoo:)

    Question.

    It has two hdmi outs. One goes to receiver and one directly into my OLED input right?

    Or should I hook it up thru the receiver.?

    If your receiver passes 4K *and* Dolby Vision, passing it through is no problem.

  37. dpippel

    If your receiver passes 4K *and* Dolby Vision, passing it through is no problem.

    Yes, absolutely. But why bother? To me it is just much more simplified to have two HDMI to two direct sources audio, and video.

  38. Bryan^H

    Yes, absolutely. But why bother? To me it is just much more simplified to have two HDMI to two direct sources audio, and video.

    For me, it's because I have four HDMI source devices. It's much cleaner to run them all through my receiver and have a single HDMI cable going to the display. Works like a charm.

  39. Tino

    Don't think my Yamaha does Dolby Vision unfortunately. Doesn’t matter which Input on my OLED I assume.

    It doesn't, but make sure you have the Deep Color setting enabled for the input you'll be using on the TV. I believe it's turned off by default.

  40. dpippel

    It doesn't, but make sure you have the Deep Color setting enabled for the input you'll be using on the TV. I believe it's turned off by default.

    Yup. I do. Hope I don’t have sync issues.

  41. Bryan^H

    Yes, absolutely. But why bother? To me it is just much more simplified to have two HDMI to two direct sources audio, and video.

    That is how I make my connections as having two HDMI outputs are essential to me for any player purchase.

  42. From the UB820 manual (page 31) –

    —————————————————————————————–

    To enjoy BD-Video that supports Dolby Atmos or DTS:X

    – Dolby Audio: Bitstream
    – DTS/DTS-HD: Bitstream
    – BD-Video Secondary Audio: Off

  43. Tino

    Another 820 audio question

    My receiver says the signal is Dolby Atmos
    The 820 display says Dolby TrueHD

    ??

    Thanks in advance.

    Do you have Atmos speakers connected to your receiver or do you have a 5.1 setup? Atmos will decode to its TrueHD core if Atmos speakers are not present.

  44. Tino

    My receiver definitely decides Atmos. I have a 5.2.1 setup. 7 speakers and a subwoofer.

    Not sure what you mean by “Atmos” speakers.

    I mean Atmos front heights, rear heights, etc. My Yamaha receiver does not decode to Atmos unless I have some form of Atmos speaker configuration connected to the correct speaker outputs on it. Your 5.2.1 setup should be fine in this respect. It's not a function of the 820, which is simply sending digital data to your receiver if the player is set to Bitstream.

  45. dpippel

    I mean Atmos front heights, rear heights, etc. My Yamaha receiver does not decode to Atmos unless I have some form of Atmos speaker configuration connected to the correct speaker outputs on it. Your 5.2.1 setup should be fine in this respect. It's not a function of the 820, which is simply sending digital data to your receiver if the player is set to Bitstream.

    Sorry you lost me a bit.

    So have I set something to the wrong setting?

  46. I would say everything is working fine with your setup— unless you aren't getting anything out of your height speakers.

    But just to be sure, I stuck THE MARTIAN UHD in my UB820, and played it with audio set for Dolby Atmos.
    My receiver reads Dolby Atmos. And pushing the PLAYBACK INFO button on UB820 remote displays audio as TRUEHD.
    And I'm definitely getting sound out of my four ceiling speakers.

    The UB820 is outputting the TrueHD bitstream to the receiver, and the receiver is decoding the Dolby Atmos from the TrueHD.

  47. Mark McSherry
    I would say everything is working fine with your setup— unless you aren't getting anything out of your height speakers.

    But just to be sure, I stuck THE MARTIAN UHD in my UB820, and played it with audio set for Dolby Atmos.
    My receiver reads Dolby Atmos. And pushing the PLAYBACK INFO button on UB820 remote displays audio as TRUEHD.
    And I'm definitely getting sound out of my four ceiling speakers.

    The UB820 is outputting the TrueHD bitstream to the receiver, and the receiver is decoding the Dolby Atmos from the TrueHD.

    Yep, Atmos is basically Dolby TrueHD with extra bits. However, on Yamaha receivers, if the display is showing TrueHD for an Atmos track, you're not getting Atmos, you're getting TrueHD.

    TIno, have you tried setting audio on your Yamaha to Direct?

  48. No player identifies an Atmos track as DOlby Atmos. They identify it as DOlby TrueHD because that's what Atmos is: DOlby TrueHD with added coding for those with Atmos configurations in receiver/speakers (as Doug correctly said). The receiver rightly tells you what it's decoding: trust what it says.

  49. YANG

    Had anybody tried the "stop, top menu" hack on playing other region bluray yet?

    I'm surprised more people don't talk about this. It worked on my UB900, and now my 9000. It is fantastic. So far it has worked on every region "B" BD I have thrown at it, I have not tried any region locked DVD titles though.

  50. Bryan^H

    I'm surprised more people don't talk about this. It worked on my UB900, and now my 9000. It is fantastic. So far it has worked on every region "B" BD I have thrown at it, I have not tried any region locked DVD titles though.

    Just tried this on my 820 with the Region B Studio Canal release of Quatermass and the Pit. No bueno.

  51. Tino

    Man. Haven’t serious lip sync issues with the 820. Is there any way to adjust while viewing the film?

    By the way I would ask these questions in an 820 thread but I can’t find one. Mods let me know if I shouldn’t be asking these questions here.

  52. dpippel

    Just tried this on my 820 with the Region B Studio Canal release of Quatermass and the Pit. No bueno.

    Weird! All the Studio Canal Region B titles I have tried worked perfectly. I thought the 820 was basically the same player as the 9000-minus the analog features. I just tried it on "Escape from New York", and The Fog.

    I get the message saying it won't play, hit stop, and then press "top menu", and loads up fine!

  53. I tried the recent Region B release of the Peter O'Toole ROGUE MALE on my UB820.

    The TV screen appeared saying the bluray is Region B and would not play. Pressed STOP on the remote and the TV screen went to the screen-saver where there is a white crescent shape at the bottom and, in large letters, "Ultra UHD Bluray" on the middle-right side. Pressed TOP MENU once and the message "…operation not available…" appeared. Pressed TOP MENU again and the disc loaded and played fine.

    BUT pressing the STOP button was a bit flaky. Sometimes I would go immediately to the next screen, and sometimes not. But, being patient, and repressing the STOP several times, would eventually get you to next step. In my case, never longer than 30 seconds. Maybe because of the cheaper remote compared to the UB9000's??? 😉

    The British Film Institute's ROGUE MALE also includes a Region 2 DVD. Could not get that to play on the UB820.

  54. Mark McSherry

    I tried ….. Maybe because of the cheaper remote compared to the UB9000's??? ;).

    I don't think it got anything to do with the remote control build, but rather the firmware that's either up to date, or embedded by default when shipped in different region.

  55. Tino

    By the way I would ask these questions in an 820 thread but I can’t find one. Mods let me know if I shouldn’t be asking these questions here.

    IMO , there should be a subsection in the playing device forum having thread discussions on different makes like videohelp.com
    HTF is a pool where majority of the members are physical discs supporters, buyers n collectors.

    However, since majority of the movies discussed here are Hollywood produce, studios big or small with selfish business ambitions will tend to visit here frequent, seeing regional "skip" discussions becomes a big no-no to their eyes…

  56. Bryan^H

    I'm surprised more people don't talk about this…

    Does majority of BDPlayer buyers knows abt Oppo existence? I won't be surprised that there's a percentage of consumers out there doesn't know abt it except knowing "it's not an international brand".

    Affectionados will put their focus on what the device can do, and how they can benefit from the features, build quality usually secondary, pricing usually third. However to general consumers , it's another way round…

    On the movie option, majority of u.s. consumers would not be concerned abt options as Hollywood produce conquer the world cinemas by a big percentage, follows by its penetration into smaller household. Hence the demand and need for other region movie play is much lesser and usually in small niche groups.

  57. YANG

    However, since majority of the movies discussed here are Hollywood produce, studios big or small with selfish business ambitions will tend to visit here frequent, seeing regional "skip" discussions becomes a big no-no to their eyes…

    I have no idea what you’re saying in this paragraph. :wacko:

  58. Ok… I'm kinda poor in delivering my thoughts in english…
    What i meant there was that discussions on how to get other region releases play in your, or mine, others designated region seems to be a taboo to touch on as studio representatives are more concern about their domestic sales as than the little percentage of collectors wanting to get other region releases to be able to play in their country. Hence… the region coding and controls over the years.

    There wasn't region control, movie disc collectors all over the world needs not to fumble over how to hack their players to be other region release compatible… isn't it?

  59. Adam Gregorich

    I picked up an 820 at a local Best Buy open box for $375. The 9000 while a beautiful player is a bit overkill for my needs.

    I would definitely pick up an 820 if I could get one at that price and it did the 350 nits feature. No way am I spending $1k. I wouldn't have spent $1k for an Oppo.

  60. Adam Gregorich

    I picked up an 820 at a local Best Buy open box for $375. The 9000 while a beautiful player is a bit overkill for my needs.

    Let me know how you make out with the 820. I’m having a bunch of issues with the new one I got (lip sync, Dolby Vision issues, freezing etc).

  61. Tino

    Let me know how you make out with the 820. I’m having a bunch of issues with the new one I got (lip sync, Dolby Vision issues, freezing etc).

    You've probably considered all this but I'll mention it anyway.

    The 'Dolby Vision issues, freezing etc' could be cable issues. Are you using a high-speed UHD cable?

    And for the lip-synch issue, did you go to the Audio Delay setting under Audio in the Setup Menu?

    My player is working fine since I set it up last fall. During that time, the UB820 has updated its firmware twice over the internet. The last time was in March/April. Good luck!

  62. Mark McSherry

    The 'Dolby Vision issues, freezing etc' could be cable issues. Are you using a high-speed UHD cable?

    Yes. I had it initially set to:

    4K/60p (4:4:4)

    Had to change it to
    4K/60p (4:2:0) to view Dolby Vision encoded titles (???)

    Do I need a special cable for the 4:4:4?

  63. [QUOTE="Mark McSherry, post: 4736645, member: 391312

    And for the lip-synch issue, did you go to the Audio Delay setting under Audio in the Setup Menu?

    I have. It is so time consuming as I have to stop playback, adjust, check, stop playback, adjust, check etc….

    And the delay is off different amounts for HDR titles vs Dolby Vision titles. Frustrating.

    Also viewing on s 65” LG OLED thru a Yamaha Atmos receiver.

  64. "Do I need a special cable for the 4:4:4?"

    Maybe. Here's the cable I'm using. From Amazon, 10 feet length for $13.00.

    —————————————————————————————————————————

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    My UB820 4K60p Output Setting is 4K60p(4:4:4).

    Put the UHD of Aquaman in player. When loading, the player GUI displays 'Dolby Vision' in banner at top of screen. My TV also displays the DV logo briefly in the upper-right corner. While playing, pressing the 'Playback Info' button on remote displays 'Dolby Vision' along with the other stats.

    Reading the UB820 manual (page 28), it states that your TV must support 4K/60p(4:4:4/8 bit) or 4K/60p(4:2:2/12 bit) to select 4K/60p(4:4:4). Could that be an issue?

  65. For 4K you DEFINITELY want to use a Premium Certified HDMI cable, one that displays this logo:

    [​IMG]

    Anything else is a crapshoot. You'll save yourself a LOT of trouble by using the proper cable.

  66. Mark McSherry

    Reading the UB820 manual (page 28), it states that your TV must support 4K/60p(4:4:4/8 bit) or 4K/60p(4:2:2/12 bit) to select 4K/60p(4:4:4). Could that be an issue?

    Dunno. As I said I have an LG 65E6P. Nothing in the settings.

    While I had enabled 4:4:4 I was able to view DV discs but not HDR discs.

  67. Mark McSherry

    The LG OLED should support 4K/60p(4:4:4/8 bit) or 4K/60p(4:2:2/12 bit). Is there a setting in the LG to accept 4:4:4 vs 4:2:0?

    I take it you are running separate cables to the LG and the Yamaha?

    Nothing in the settings.

    Yes I am running separate 4K cables.

  68. dpippel

    For 4K you DEFINITELY want to use a Premium Certified HDMI cable, one that displays this logo:

    [​IMG]

    Anything else is a crapshoot. You'll save yourself a LOT of trouble by using the proper cable.

    Yup. That’s what I’m using.

    Wonder if it’s a Yamaha receiver issue. Or do I need better 4K cables.

    Frustrating.

  69. Tino

    Yup. That’s what I’m using.

    Wonder if it’s a Yamaha receiver issue. Or do I need better 4K cables.

    Frustrating.

    I can imagine. Premium Certified is Premium Certified, so you should be good there. A receiver issue? Certainly a possibility, but I thought you were running your primary HDMI directly to the LG and audio only to your Yamaha?

  70. Here's a policy I use with every disc I play now in my UHD player (a Sony X700; notorious for freezing but which has never given me one lick of trouble): I wipe down every disc I put in the player with a microfiber cloth before I insert it. Even brand new discs have a thin film residue from their manufacture which sensitive UHD lasers seem to choke on. I'm so accustomed to it now that I wipe down ALL discs whether they're UHD or not before they go in that player.

  71. I dunno.

    There is this but I don't know if it applies to the LG 65E6P– Link.

    Maybe you could just try another HDMI input in the LG.
    Do you have a 4K Apple TV? If you do, you can choose between 4:2:2 and 4:2:0. What is it set at?

    I'm running the HDMI cable from the UB820 through my Denon receiver to my TV. At first, I could only get 4:2:0 to the TV. It turned out that the receiver had a Standard (default) setting at 4:2:0. Changing the Standard to Enhanced allowed 4:4:4/4:2:2. But as I understand
    it you are just feeding your Yamaha receiver the AUDIO OUT HDMI from your UB820.

    Some Yamaha receivers have a HDMI 4K Signal Format setting- Mode 1 or Mode 2. Mode 1 allows 4K60 4:4:4, and 4:2:2. But I don't see how either setting could cause lip-synch issues.

  72. Mark McSherry

    I dunno.

    There is this but I don't know if it applies to the LG 65E6P– Link.

    Maybe you could just try another HDMI input in the LG.
    Do you have a 4K Apple TV? If you do, you can choose between 4:2:2 and 4:2:0. What is it set at?

    I'm running the HDMI cable from the UB820 through my Denon receiver to my TV. At first, I could only get 4:2:0 to the TV. It turned out that the receiver had a Standard (default) setting at 4:2:0. Changing the Standard to Enhanced allowed 4:4:4/4:2:2. But as I understand
    it you are just feeding your Yamaha receiver the AUDIO OUT HDMI from your UB820.

    Some Yamaha receivers have a HDMI 4K Signal Format setting- Mode 1 or Mode 2. Mode 1 allows 4K60 4:4:4, and 4:2:2. But I don't see how either setting could cause lip-synch issues.

    Thanks Mark for the suggestions. Thanks all. Will keep playing around.

  73. Matt Hough

    Here's a policy I use with every disc I play now in my UHD player (a Sony X700; notorious for freezing but which has never given me one lick of trouble): I wipe down every disc I put in the player with a microfiber cloth before I insert it. Even brand new discs have a thin film residue from their manufacture which sensitive UHD lasers seem to choke on. I'm so accustomed to it now that I wipe down ALL discs whether they're UHD or not before they go in that player.

    I also have the X700, and the only times I've had playback issues so far are when I can visibly see smudges, streaks, etc on the disc… so I usually just quickly check the disc against the projector's light before popping it in. If I notice something, I clean it off.

    Regular BD playback actually also have similar issues on my few year-old Oppo 103, which I still use regularly in same system. Just that brand new BDs seem less likely to come w/ such than brand new 4K discs near as I can tell…

    _Man_

  74. I’ve had a UB9000 since January. Awesome player. The HDR optimizer is the bomb.

    But I have one big gripe… the player shuts itself off after 20 minutes of inactivity, even if there is a disc on pause in the player.

    There isn’t a setting to turn off the auto shutoff.

    Robert Zohn is trying to convince Panasonic’s engineers to add a setting (via firmware update) to turn off the auto shutoff.

    Mark

  75. Switched HDMI cables and still can’t any get any HDR titles to play in 4:4:4. Dolby Vision titles work tho. Don’t get it.

    I give up.

    820 is going back. Too many issues. I tried.

    My first gen Samsung never gave me any problems.

    Thinking about the lG ubk90. On sale for $199 with 3 4K discs.

    So frustrated.

  76. Tino

    Switched HDMI cables and still can’t any get any HDR titles to play in 4:4:4. Dolby Vision titles work tho. Don’t get it.

    I give up.

    820 is going back. Too many issues. I tried.[…]

    Phew!! This has been quite an ordeal for you. I'm not even in your shoes and I've been in a daily suspense. Frankly, I'm glad its finished for you. You did your bid. Now, my only remaining frustrations for your situation is that you; as well as myself; can not yet afford the Panasonic 9000. It truly sounds like a beauty to behold and would be worth every invested penny, to all that I've been reading.
    Trust in RAH; trust in Zohn…after all, Tino, with 500 bucks your already half-way home.:)

  77. PMF

    This has been quite an ordeal for you. I'm not even in your shoes and I've been in a daily suspense. Frankly, I'm glad its finished for you. You did your bid. Now, my only remaining frustrations for your situation is that you; as well as myself; can not yet afford the Panasonic 9000. It truly sounds like a beauty to behold.

    Yeah. It’s been frustrating to say the least.

    I did everything I was supposed to. The picture was indeed beautiful but the other issues just ruined it for me. And for $500 no way would I accept these issues no matter how great the picture was.

  78. Tino

    Yeah. It’s been frustrating to say the least.

    I did everything I was supposed to. The picture was indeed beautiful but the other issues just ruined it for me. And for $500 no way would I accept these issues no matter how great the picture was.

    That sucks man. The player is great, but the complexities in the deep feature set can cause problematic "handshake" issues with other hardware. I had a few issues with the model before the 820, the UB900, but my 9000 is perfect….so far. Knock on wood.

  79. Robert Zohn at Value Electronics has been so kind to respond to my emails and get me information which I very much appreciate. I was looking at a Sony but I am currently looking to purchase at new Panasonic UB9000 from Value Electronics! This will be a wonderful addition to my Marantz SR-8012 receiver and Sony XBR55A9F 4K OLED TV! Because of my current equipment the Panasonic is a better choice for me instead of the Sony which is also a very nice player. I am very much looking forward to doing business with Value Electronics! Will be pulling the trigger on the UB9000 very soon! This will be my second Panasonic player as the first one was the first DVD player made by Panasonic.

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  80. Tino

    Switched HDMI cables and still can’t any get any HDR titles to play in 4:4:4. Dolby Vision titles work tho. Don’t get it.

    I give up.

    820 is going back. Too many issues. I tried.

    My first gen Samsung never gave me any problems.

    Thinking about the lG ubk90. On sale for $199 with 3 4K discs.

    So frustrated.

    That sucks Tino! It's a GREAT player! Maybe you just got a lemon. You might try exchanging it for another unit before you jump ship to a Samsung or something else.

  81. dpippel

    That sucks Tino! It's a GREAT player! Maybe you just got a lemon. You might try exchanging it for another unit before you jump ship to a Samsung or something else.

    Just returned it. Hate that I had to. No more in stock at any of my local BB

    But……

    Was able to snag the new, not out yet, Sony X800M2.

    Gonna try my luck with this one.

    Hope hope hope…..;)

  82. Last night, I fell asleep while listening to the radio;
    and all that entered my ear had turned into a dream.
    Continuously, the DJ kept playing Transylvania 6-500,
    but the singers words came out as Panasonic 6-9000.
    Don't know how that 6 had slipped into there;
    yet certainly with it, this song stayed syncopated,
    in rhythm, and kept me pleasantly serene.:thumbs-up-smiley:

    P.S.
    I wonder if this dream has something to do with a future home theater?:)

  83. Tino

    Just returned it. Hate that I had to. No more in stock at any of my local BB

    But……

    Was able to snag the new, not out yet, Sony X800M2.

    Gonna try my luck with this one.

    Hope hope hope…..;)

    Good luck with the Sony!

  84. Dave Moritz

    Check out Value Electronics as they will have that Sony player as well, shows shipping now on website. If your using a 4K projector or an OLED I am sure the Sony 1100ES would work well but you might want to save up for the UB9000 instead.

    https://www.valueelectronics.com/UBP-X800M2_UHD_BD_player.php

    I buy at BB because I’m an Elite Plus member which gives me 45 days to return any item no questions asked and it’s 5 minutes away. Very convenient.

    I can afford the UB 9000, that’s not the issue, just not sure I want to spend that much.

  85. And I think I’ve narrowed down my main issue which is lip syncing.

    I need to buy a Dolby Vision compatible receiver so that I have one hdmi doing all the pass thrus instead of two.

    Now which receiver is the issue……..;)

  86. Just a thought. Instead of using the two HDMI outs from the player, just split the one HDMI (video+audio) feeding one cable from the splitter to the TV and the other to the receiver. This MIGHT solve the lip synch issue. I used to do this years ago when my old Yamaha receiver could not pass 3D— split the HDMI output from the PS3 with one to the projector and the other to receiver. It worked without any lip-synch problems.

  87. Kyrsten Brad

    Does Value Electronics offer the region free modifications on their players?

    Probably not, as such modifications can potentially void their warranty and Value Electronics pushes their status as an authorized dealer for Sony and Panasonic for example.

  88. Well… The demand for region free is there because there's still a big population of movie collectors out there still holding on to their DVD collections… Certainly region free UHD discs brings us back to the laserdisc appreciation kindof freedom that had long lost ……for 20yrs?

  89. Well, having the Region-Free option within my player has been a very important consideration on any future purchase. Yet, after many months, I have opted first and foremost for the highest quality that I can find; both in picture and sound quality; as the number of discs I already own far exceed the smaller amount on my wish-list of Region-locked titles.

    As it is, I'm just flat-out going to aim for the Panasonic 9000.
    They might be gone, long before the monies gets saved; but it's clearly worth that chance.
    No short cuts, no trade-offs on quality, no quick fixes; not for my next investment.
    IMHO, Value Electronics seems to be well worth the goal in every respect.:thumbs-up-smiley:

  90. dpippel

    You can buy a stand-alone Sony or LG region-free player for $150 any day of the week, so for me the lack of this capability in the UB9000 is a moot point.

    Well, almost any day; after all, tomorrow is Mother's Day.;)

  91. dpippel

    You can buy a stand-alone Sony or LG region-free player for $150 any day of the week, so for me the lack of this capability in the UB9000 is a moot point.

    So Doug, in your opinion the 9000 is worth the extra $500? And why?

  92. Tino

    So Doug, in your opinion the 9000 is worth the extra $500? And why?

    I can not address your specific needs, Tino, but some things just simply rings true and solid when it comes to reviews. With all my readings on the Panasonic 9000 already being solid beforehand, now comes along the highest of praises from Robert Harris. RAH, as far as I've known, has never reviewed equipment before; and if he has, then its been rare. Sure, with some of his BD reviews there are contextual references towards displays or projectors, but this was seemingly his first review committed to one specific player. And for that, plus all that he wrote, this became the ultimate selling point for my future hopes. Re-read it. With the Panasonic 9000 player he has stated "I no longer feel like a second class citizen"; which led to my doing a double-take of bemusement. As it is, I thought it was going to be a far longer wait in our seeing an heir apparent to the infamous and discontinued Oppo player. In the end, Tino, we're all rooting for what's right and best for your budget and viewing happiness.

    Anyway, I'll give the floor back over to Doug, who undoubtedly has more experience.:thumbs-up-smiley:

  93. And buying from Value Electronics would assure you that they would get your UB9000 (or UB820) working properly with your system, hell or high water.

    As Mr Harris says (in message #42)—"If one visits Value, and has a question, you won’t be speaking with a salesperson. You’ll be with an engineer, who interrelates with the manufacturers."

  94. I would love to give Value my business. I love supporting establishments like that.

    But they’re 45 minutes away and BB is 5. And I have that Elite Plus status(45 day return for any reason with full refund) at BB.

    What is Values return policy? Anyone know?

  95. Tino

    So Doug, in your opinion the 9000 is worth the extra $500? And why?

    I've only had the player for a few days Tino, but for me the answer is yes. It's built like a tank, with excellent construction, and the unit just screams quality. Totally unlike the cheap plastic of the UB820, and it even leaves the Oppo UDP-203 in the dust as far as materials and fit/finish are concerned. In the PQ department is it better than the Oppo? Again, for me the answer is yes. No question. Is it better than the UB820? Maybe, maybe not. I didn't have a lot of time to compare them, but the 350 nit HDR optimization mode in the UB9000 was important to me to future-proof a possible upcoming projector purchase. The UB820 lacks that.

    So, whether or not it's worth a thousand dollars is a fairly subjective question. I didn't absolutely *need* this player, but I could afford it and decided to get it. I'm very happy with my decision so far!

  96. Tino

    I would love to give Value my business. I love supporting establishments like that.

    But they’re 45 minutes away and BB is 5. And I have that Elite Plus status(45 day return for any reason with full refund) at BB.

    What is Values return policy? Anyone know?

    If you've got projection or plan to, then clearly a 90-minute round-trip would be well worth the next few years of your happiness.
    I looked up the number for Value Electronics, Tino, and they are open 'till 5 pm: (914) 723-3344

  97. dpippel

    I've only had the player for a few days Tino, but for me the answer is yes. It's built like a tank, with excellent construction, and the unit just screams quality. Totally unlike the cheap plastic of the UB820, and it even leaves the Oppo in the dust as far as materials and fit/finish are concerned. In the PQ department is is better than the Oppo? Again, for me the answer is yes. No question. Is it better than the UB820? Maybe, maybe not. I didn't have a lot of time to compare them, but the 350 nit HDR optimization mode in the UB9000 was important to me to future-proof a possible upcoming projector purchase. The UB820 lacks that.

    So, whether or not it's worth a thousand dollars is a fairly subjective question. I didn't absolutely *need* this player, but I could afford it and decided to get it. I'm very happy with my decision so far!

    And you have it hooked up thru a Dolby Vision capable Yamaha receiver right? Same OLED as me with no lip sync problems?

  98. PMF

    If you've got projection or plan to, then clearly a 90-minute round-trip would be well worth the next few years of your happiness.
    I looked up the number for Value Electronics, Tino, and they are open 'till 5 pm: (914) 723-3344

    I have the number thanks. I’ve spoken to them a few times. Very nice people.

  99. Tino

    And you have it hooked up thru a Dolby Vision capable Yamaha receiver right? Same OLED as me with no lip sync problems?

    Yep and yep. My Yamaha is a RX-A2080. So far no problems with lip sync. Didn't have any with the UB820 either.

  100. Well.

    I just had a terrific conversation with Robert Zohn Of Value Electronics. His store happens to be right next to one of my accounts so I will be stopping by next week.

    He even offered to help me set up my 820 and install it it regardless of If purchased it from him. Terrific guy.

    Whatever I buy moving forward, I'm buying from him.

  101. Tino

    Well.

    I just had a terrific conversation with Robert Zohn Of Value Electronics. His store happens to be right next to one of my accounts so I will be stopping by next week.

    He even offered to help me set up my 820 and install it it regardless of If purchased it from him. Terrific guy.

    Whatever I buy moving forward, I'm buying from him.

    That's exactly how I feel about Robert Zohn and Value Electronics. Service that guarantees my return as a customer whenever I need to shop for equipment.

  102. Tino

    Well.

    I just had a terrific conversation with Robert Zohn Of Value Electronics. His store happens to be right next to one of my accounts so I will be stopping by next week.

    He even offered to help me set up my 820 and install it it regardless of If purchased it from him. Terrific guy.

    Whatever I buy moving forward, I'm buying from him.

    That's exactly how I feel about Robert Zohn and Value Electronics. Service that guarantees my return as a customer whenever I need to shop for equipment.

  103. Tino

    Whatever I buy moving forward, I'm buying from him.

    Indeed. He has gone above, and beyond in answering questions for me, and his customer service is second to none. I am a lifelong customer now. I live in Michigan, and I love that there is no tax, or shipping charge.

  104. Tino

    Well. I just had a terrific conversation with Robert Zohn Of Value Electronics. His store happens to be right next to one of my accounts so I will be stopping by next week.[…]

    :cheers:

  105. Bryan^H

    Indeed. He has gone above, and beyond in answering questions for me, and his customer service is second to none. I am a lifelong customer now. I live in Michigan, and I love that there is no tax, or shipping charge.

    And in TX, same thing so far. No tax, no shipping charge.

  106. Bryan^H

    Indeed. He has gone above, and beyond in answering questions for me, and his customer service is second to none. I am a lifelong customer now. I live in Michigan, and I love that there is no tax, or shipping charge.

    I live in Michigan too and have purchase stuff from Robert including my OLED. I would most likely buy my next player from them too.

  107. Robert Crawford

    Why did you get you rid of the Oppo 203?

    Mostly because it was sitting in my rack almost completely unutilized. I was using the UB820 for disc playback almost exclusively due to its superior video output. I only used the Oppo for the occasional Region B Blu-ray title. Rather than let it just sit there doing almost nothing, I thought I’d pass it along to someone who would use more of its features. So, I sold the UB820 and (still for sale) the Oppo, and bought the UB9000 and a $150 LG region-free player.

  108. dpippel

    Mostly because it was sitting in my rack almost completely unutilized. I was using the UB820 for disc playback almost exclusively due to its superior video output. I only used the Oppo for the occasional Region B Blu-ray title. Rather than let it just sit there doing almost nothing, I thought I’d pass it along to someone who would use more of its features. So, I sold the UB820 and (still for sale) the Oppo, and bought the UB9000 and a $150 LG region-free player.

    Interesting, as I didn't know you thought this highly of the Panny over the Oppo. I have two Oppo 203 players that I'm extremely happy with.

  109. Robert Crawford

    Interesting, as I didn't know you thought this highly of the Panny over the Oppo. I have two Oppo 203 players that I'm extremely happy with.

    I’ve felt this all along, even with my previous Panasonic UB900. Better detail than the UDP-203 to my eyes in my system. The Oppo is most definitely a fine player, however. If I’d never compared it with the Pannys I would have been perfectly happy with it, and as a do-it-all player it stands alone if you’re looking for a one-stop solution for disc and media playback. But like I said, since I wasn’t using any of its audio or networking functionality, I thought it was being wasted when it could instead be bringing someone else a lot of joy. Hence my decision.

  110. dpippel

    Mostly because it was sitting in my rack almost completely unutilized. I was using the UB820 for disc playback almost exclusively due to its superior video output. I only used the Oppo for the occasional Region B Blu-ray title. Rather than let it just sit there doing almost nothing, I thought I’d pass it along to someone who would use more of its features. So, I sold the UB820 and (still for sale) the Oppo, and bought the UB9000 and a $150 LG region-free player.

    It is sad that whenever I get a new player my older models just seem to sit unused. Since I got my 9000, I haven't touched my UB900, or my Oppo 205.

  111. Bryan^H

    It is sad that whenever I get a new player my older models just seem to sit unused. Since I got my 9000, I haven't touched my UB900, or my Oppo 205.

    Indeed. However, I only buy a new player if it's an improvement over what I currently have, so that tends to balance out the melancholy for me. Plus, hey, new toy!!! 😉

  112. dpippel

    Indeed. However, I only buy a new player if it's an improvement over what I currently have, so that tends to balance out the melancholy for me. Plus, hey, new toy!!! 😉

    The "new toy" is a big part of it. So fun finding fiddling with features on a new player.
    The 9000 will be my last player for a looong time. I have three 4K players. that is quite enough. No more.
    I think.:unsure:

  113. Bryan^H

    The "new toy" is a big part of it. So fun finding fiddling with features on a new player.
    The 9000 will be my last player for a looong time. I have three 4K players. that is quite enough. No more.
    I think.:unsure:

    You're kidding, right?;)

  114. Thanks for all of the kind words! A/V, photography and storytelling have been my lifetime pashion and I enjoy spreading the good word and helping everyone to get the best posible performance and experences from the valued and premium performance a/v equipment.

    Our UB9000 May allocation is arriveing Monday, May 13th. After we fullfill all of the orders we're holding, this allocation will be the first time we'll have UB9000s available from our stock to fill.

    We recieved the first allocation early January 2019 and we've received 5 large monthly shipments and we'll now have UB9000s available for immediate delivery for any new orders!

  115. Philip Verdieck

    No one in their right mind would recommend a Samsung since they are bailing on the market.

    Some of the greatest life moments I ever had were due to my being in my left mind, rather than my right.
    On this one, I would have to be crazy not to capture the best of the best.
    After all, what's the alternative? Purchasing less of the less? Not much security in that one, either.
    And besides, I am confident that Robert Zohn will remain at his customers side, long after all others have moved on.

  116. Tino

    […]I just had a terrific conversation with Robert Zohn Of Value Electronics. His store happens to be right next to one of my accounts so I will be stopping by next week.[…]

    This was posted by Tino on Saturday. It's now Wednesday. The suspense is killing me.
    O Tino, Where Art Thou? I'm living my Panny 9000 life vicariously through you.:D

  117. PMF

    This was posted by Tino on Saturday. It's now Wednesday. The suspense is killing me.
    O Tino, Where Art Thou? I'm living my Panny 9000 life vicariously through you.:D

    Going there tomorrow.

  118. View attachment 58673 View attachment 58674 View attachment 58675 Had a great day today visiting Value Electronics and spending some time with the amazing Robert Zohn.

    He was very generous with his time and knowledge and talked me through the issues I was having.

    I wound up purchasing the Panny 820 (at a great price) again this time knowing it wasn’t a player issue but rather a receiver issue. He also gave me some tips on setting it up properly with my equipment.

    I suggested he start some king of Official Value Electronics thread somewhere here on the forum. I think the membership would greatly appreciate that.

    Thanks @Robert_Zohn 🙂

  119. I buy at BB because I’m an Elite Plus member which gives me 45 days to return any item no questions asked and it’s 5 minutes away. Very convenient.

    I am an Elite Member with Best Buy but I decided to give Value Electronics a shot even though the Magnolia Best Buy is about 17 minutes away and Value Electronics is on the other side of the country. I want to thank Robert Zohn for all his help and can not wait to get this player here and installed.

  120. I am giving myself a birthday present for my 81st birthday next week. Can't decide whether it should be the Panny 820, or the 9000. It will be used with my EPSON 6040, (Aussie 9300). Not considering price, any opinions on which I should choose for maximum benefit in picture quality?

  121. avroman

    I am giving myself a birthday present for my 81st birthday next week. Can't decide whether it should be the Panny 820, or the 9000. It will be used with my EPSON 6040, (Aussie 9300). Not considering price, any opinions on which I should choose for maximum benefit in picture quality?

    Happy 81st !!!:drum:

  122. I am giving myself a birthday present for my 81st birthday next week. Can't decide whether it should be the Panny 820, or the 9000. It will be used with my EPSON 6040, (Aussie 9300). Not considering price, any opinions on which I should choose for maximum benefit in picture quality?

    I will start out with Happy 81st Birthday :cheers:

    If your projector is HDR then the 9000 has an HDR optimizer that would make it a great choice. I am sure with projection the 9000 is just a better choice but if you do not have HDR capability I am sure the 820 will work just fine.

  123. Dave Moritz

    I will start out with Happy 81st Birthday :cheers:

    If your projector is HDR then the 9000 has an HDR optimizer that would make it a great choice. I am sure with projection the 9000 is just a better choice but if you do not have HDR capability I am sure the 820 will work just fine.

    The 820 also an HDR optimizer.

  124. Tino

    View attachment 58673 View attachment 58674 View attachment 58675 Had a great day today visiting Value Electronics and spending some time with the amazing Robert Zohn.

    He was very generous with his time and knowledge and talked me through the issues I was having.

    I wound up purchasing the Panny 820 (at a great price) again this time knowing it wasn’t a player issue but rather a receiver issue. He also gave me some tips on setting it up properly with my equipment.

    I suggested he start some king of Official Value Electronics thread somewhere here on the forum. I think the membership would greatly appreciate that.

    Thanks @Robert_Zohn 🙂

    Will the fine folks at Value Electronics perform the region free modifications if you purchase from them?

  125. Kyrsten Brad

    Will the fine folks at Value Electronics perform the region free modifications if you purchase from them?

    Call them and ask. They are a factory authorized dealer so I don’t think so.

  126. Tino

    [QUOTE="Mark McSherry, post: 4736645, member: 391312

    And for the lip-synch issue, did you go to the Audio Delay setting under Audio in the Setup Menu?

    I have. It is so time consuming as I have to stop playback, adjust, check, stop playback, adjust, check etc….

    And the delay is off different amounts for HDR titles vs Dolby Vision titles. Frustrating.

    Also viewing on s 65” LG OLED thru a Yamaha Atmos receiver.

    Have the exact same lip synch issues with my Panasonic 9000

    It’s usually fleeting at the beginning of a movie then settles

    Pic quality is better than my oppo 103 with their DNR Marvell qdeo chip that I’ll stick with Panasonic

    Maybe it’ll get fixed in future firmware but I recall the flagship Onkyo DVD player had this years ago and was a chip implementation issue and they never fixed it

  127. Kyrsten Brad

    Will the fine folks at Value Electronics perform the region free modifications if you purchase from them?

    As far as I know, it's not possible modify the UB820 or the UBA9000 to be region free for Blu-ray playback.

  128. Panasonic UB9000 was originally set to arrive 5/22 on a Wednesday but it must be ahead of schedule and FedEx just informed me it will be delivered by end of day Tuesday 5/21. Can not wait to get this player hooked up to my Marantz SR-8012 and my Sony A9F 4K OLED!

    Does Best Buy magnolia sell the 9000

    Best Buy website shows the 820 but I did not see the 9000. You can get the 9000 for $999 and outside of NY if you get it through Value Electronics they will not charge you sales tax or shipping! Something to consider and they will be happy to help you if you have any questions or problems.

  129. If have been following this thread over at AVSForum:

    https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-…r-s-thread-no-price-talk-12.html#post57823316

    There has been repeated mention (at least up until the end of March) of issues where there were picture issues and/or a lockup which mandated stopping and restarting. Here is a mention of settings that helped:

    dealer6871
    I also had the same problem on some discs. Movie would start to pull apart and then stop. Stopping the player and/or removing the disc corrected the problem. I clean all my discs and it seems to be a random problem, so I concluded it was a player read problem and not a disc problem.

    I did tweak some settings after and have not experienced the problem again. Tweak was HDR (on) Dolby Vision (on) HDR+10 (off) and optimizer (on). Not sure if any of these made the difference, but so far I have been happy with the results. Otherwise, I'm sure Panasonic will have a firmware update sometime in the future.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KRGM1 [​IMG]
    I've had playablility issues on several discs. We watched Aquaman last night and maybe halfway through the movies the picture slowed and broke into digital colors patterns. Continued until I stopped the player and pulled the disc, disc looked perfect. Reinserted disc and it started back with resume and no issues the rest of the movie. I also had the HDMI audio issue that I never resolved and am now using analog outputs. I'm beginning to think that maybe I got a lemon.

  130. Just received mine today to replace my bd820 which was a great player for me not one issue. This is a real solid beast. Set up was fast and easy. Looking forward to a lot of years of use. The build quality is just amazing. My system is not very generous especially audio wise, just a Samsung hw-n950 soundbar but it suits my space needs. Video I’m using a lgg7p OLED which I love.

  131. Built difference between the Japanese Domestic Market version
    [​IMG]

    against the model sold in U.S.(international version)
    [​IMG]

    is it worth paying the extra importing from Japan… it'll be ur decision.​

  132. Dave Moritz

    Received my Panasonic UB9000 from Value Electronics today! […] First movie with the new player was Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2!

    I'm so behind. So much technology to catch up on. But, whenever my day comes to capture that Panny 9000, I'll be eager to see how the uprez action works on my vast collection of Beta's.;)

  133. Summertime Flash Sale on the UB9000 and UB820! Ends Sunday, June 23rd.

    UB9000, *5% Instant Rebate with Visa, MasterCard or AMEX purchase, all in delivered $949.00

    UB820, *10% Instant Rebate with Visa, MasterCard or AMEX, all in delivered $449.98

    *Exclusively at Value Electronics

  134. UB820 is on promotion again through July 13th. It's a $50 instant rebate taken off the price at checkout.

    I rounded it down and took off the additional $0.99 to make it an even $449. from us. Sale ends Saturday, July 13th and if the Roadmap does not change, no more sales are scheduled.

    In celebration of the launch of Spear & Munsil's new Hand Forged Benchmark 10bit UHD/HDR disc we're including the disc with the purchase of the UB9000.

  135. Edwin-S

    I would think about getting one if there was a region free version and had DV.

    In the past, all Panasonic BR players had a key-sequence hack for region free playback. I think it might vary by player. I have a couple older, cheap Panasonic players and it worked on them. No idea about the UHD models.

  136. JohnRice

    In the past, all Panasonic BR players had a key-sequence hack for region free playback. I think it might vary by player. I have a couple older, cheap Panasonic players and it worked on them. No idea about the UHD models.

    The key sequence hack doesn't work on all non-Region A titles, unfortunately. Apparently it's dependant on the authoring of the disc. Region B Studio Canal releases, for example, are problematic. In other words, it's a crap shoot.

  137. dpippel

    The key sequence hack doesn't work on all non-Region A titles, unfortunately. Apparently it's dependant on the authoring of the disc. Region B Studio Canal releases, for example, are problematic. In other words, it's a crap shoot.

    I only tried it on a couple titles, and they worked. I do recall there being a limitation, accessing menus, no fast forward, something like that. I have a hardware hack for my Oppo, so that's what I use.

  138. JohnRice

    I only tried it on a couple titles, and they worked. I do recall there being a limitation, accessing menus, no fast forward, something like that. I have a hardware hack for my Oppo, so that's what I use.

    The Panasonic hack will work on many titles, but not all, which is why I also have a dedicated region-free player.

  139. Thank Robert Zohn for a great purchase experience and I love the Panasonic 9000 it is a huge step up from my 1st generation Samsung 4K player. Anyone that is looking for a top notch 4K UHD Blu-ray/ Blu-ray player will not be disappointed with the Panasonic 9000 so give Robert Zohn a shot at your business!

  140. Dave Moritz

    Thank Robert Zohn for a great purchase experience and I love the Panasonic 9000 it is a huge step up from my 1st generation Samsung 4K player. Anyone that is looking for a top notch 4K UHD Blu-ray/ Blu-ray player will not be disappointed with the Panasonic 9000 so give Robert Zohn a shot at your business!

    I am looking to add a second UHD Blu-ray player to the mix this coming fall. Right now I’ve settled on the Sony X800M2 that comes with the Region Free mods.

    @Robert_Zohn could you offer me a deal on said above X800M2?
    (PM me with details).

    Probably around early November for the X800M2.

    Much as I would like a Panny UB9000, I still have a cruise, make that two cruises (for the wife) to pay for, plus my newly acquired Vizio PQ759 Quantum. Oh and in the photography realm, I’m going for my new Canon EOS 6D, Mik II DSLR late in August.

    But I’m wanting a UB9000 in the future.

  141. My only issue with this player, and it is a doozy is that a lot of my old DVD titles don’t have the time display info in either screen status, or on unit display window. I’m talking a ton of my TV on DVD titles. Just a blank lines in the on screen status, and “play” on the unit window itself instead of time readout.

    Works great for everything else, as it should.
    It is a feature even the most basic DVD, and BD players normally have. Shocking.
    Is this an MPEG-2 issue?

    Sigh, I might have to get that Pioneer LX500 after all.

  142. There's a new firmware update (version 1.60) for the UB9000 (released a couple of days ago). Sadly, it does NOT correct the auto shutoff after 20 minutes on pause. It does NOT add any settings option to change the auto shutoff behavior. The player still shuts off after 20 minutes. If the disc in the player has the disc-based resume feature, the player will start over at the paused spot once it wakes back up after the play button on the remote is pressed. But if the disc doesn't have disc-based resume, the UB9000 just reloads the very start of the disc (menu, trailers, etc) after auto shutoff (after a measly 20 minutes on pause).

    Grrrr….

    Mark

  143. I have had the Panasonic UB9000 for about the end of May and I have been watching everything from DVD, 1080p Blu-ray to 4K Blu-ray in this player. The build quality is amazing and the unit is very quite. I have actually not had that problem with the player shutting off but I have not had the player paused for any length of time. I would highly recommend this player to anyone looking for a high end player for there home theater and especially if you have an OLED TV! I personally have yet to experience a minus with this player and it is in the beginning of the chain which for me is rock solid!

    Panasonic UB9000 4K Blu-ray Player
    Marantz SR-8012 11 Channel Surround Sound Receiver
    Sony XDR55A9F 55" 4K OLED TV

    View attachment 61383

  144. I also have not had one issue since I have had this player. I recently tried a pioneer lx500 witch also had a great build and picture quality but had freeze ups and audio drops from the get go even after its recent update, and I was able to return it. I did have a bit of stutter with Amazon Prime but a small adjustment on my OLED stopped it.

  145. Mark Booth

    There's a new firmware update (version 1.60) for the UB9000 (released a couple of days ago). Sadly, it does NOT correct the auto shutoff after 20 minutes on pause. It does NOT add any settings option to change the auto shutoff behavior. The player still shuts off after 20 minutes. If the disc in the player has the disc-based resume feature, the player will start over at the paused spot once it wakes back up after the play button on the remote is pressed. But if the disc doesn't have disc-based resume, the UB9000 just reloads the very start of the disc (menu, trailers, etc) after auto shutoff (after a measly 20 minutes on pause).

    Grrrr….

    Mark

    There has to be a service menu that can be activated through a sequence of button codes or something. There is no way that "auto off" cannot be canceled. I'm not sure why the solution hasn't been exploited yet, but I know it is there somewhere.

  146. How to turn off the "Auto Off" function.

    As a factory default, this unit will turn to standby mode automatically if there is no sound and it is not being used for approximately 20 minutes.

    To cancel this function

    1. Press [SETUP] repeatedly to select “AUTO OFF”.
    2. Press ◄ / ► to select “OFF” and then press [OK].

    Note:

    • To turn the function on, select “ON” in step 2.
    • This setting cannot be selected when radio is the source.
    • When connected to a Bluetooth® device, the function does not work.
    • SC-PMX150 – This setting cannot be selected when radio is the source or when “Net Standby” is “On”. If “Net Standby” is set to “On”, this function will also be set to “On”. To change the setting, set “Net Standby” to “Off”.
  147. Dave Moritz

    How to turn off the "Auto Off" function.

    As a factory default, this unit will turn to standby mode automatically if there is no sound and it is not being used for approximately 20 minutes.

    To cancel this function

    1. Press [SETUP] repeatedly to select “AUTO OFF”.
    2. Press ◄ / ► to select “OFF” and then press [OK].

    Note:

    • To turn the function on, select “ON” in step 2.
    • This setting cannot be selected when radio is the source.
    • When connected to a Bluetooth® device, the function does not work.
    • SC-PMX150 – This setting cannot be selected when radio is the source or when “Net Standby” is “On”. If “Net Standby” is set to “On”, this function will also be set to “On”. To change the setting, set “Net Standby” to “Off”.

    Tried this just keeps bringing me to hdmi/ color mode / advanced settings and back to color mode what am. I missing

  148. Dave Moritz

    How to turn off the "Auto Off" function.

    As a factory default, this unit will turn to standby mode automatically if there is no sound and it is not being used for approximately 20 minutes.

    To cancel this function

    1. Press [SETUP] repeatedly to select “AUTO OFF”.
    2. Press ◄ / ► to select “OFF” and then press [OK].

    Note:

    • To turn the function on, select “ON” in step 2.
    • This setting cannot be selected when radio is the source.
    • When connected to a Bluetooth® device, the function does not work.
    • SC-PMX150 – This setting cannot be selected when radio is the source or when “Net Standby” is “On”. If “Net Standby” is set to “On”, this function will also be set to “On”. To change the setting, set “Net Standby” to “Off”.

    Thanks Dave. I’ll try this when I get home later today. Given that William wasn’t successful, Is it possible the player must be in service mode before you can make this change? If so, how do we put it in service mode?

    Mark

  149. Dave Moritz

    How to turn off the "Auto Off" function.

    As a factory default, this unit will turn to standby mode automatically if there is no sound and it is not being used for approximately 20 minutes.

    To cancel this function

    1. Press [SETUP] repeatedly to select “AUTO OFF”.
    2. Press ◄ / ► to select “OFF” and then press [OK].

    Note:

    • To turn the function on, select “ON” in step 2.
    • This setting cannot be selected when radio is the source.
    • When connected to a Bluetooth® device, the function does not work.
    • SC-PMX150 – This setting cannot be selected when radio is the source or when “Net Standby” is “On”. If “Net Standby” is set to “On”, this function will also be set to “On”. To change the setting, set “Net Standby” to “Off”.

    I'm having the same experience as William. First of all, there isn't any [SETUP] button on the remote. The only [SETUP] I can find is the one in the home menu of the player. Pressing it repeatedly only ends up accessing the same group of settings that William mentions. I've checked all of the settings in every menu (including Advanced) and can't find ANYTHING that remotely resembles "Auto Off".

    Based on the comment in the instructions about "no sound" and the reference to the SC-PMX150 (which is a CD player), I suspect these instructions are for other Panasonic products. Dave, I hope you can prove me wrong.

    Mark

  150. Just confirmed no successor to the UB9000 or UB820 will be announced at CES. The UB9000 and UB820 will continue on through 2020-21.

    Also no Instant Rebate promotions or price reductions are planned for the UB9000 as the tariffs have made it impossible to make this device's price any lower. So our $998 double boxed and delivered price with Spears & Munsil's 10bit test disc included is the best deal.

    [​IMG]

  151. https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews…tra-hd-4k-blu-ray-player-review-part-1-video/

    " Let me start off by saying that the DP-UB9000 is a videophile’s dream component. Its adjustability is simply staggering, and you can spend many hours playing with various settings for both HDR and SDR output. If you don’t want to fiddle, the default settings work well too. But many HDR displays have little to no control over their luminance curves which makes it hard for all content to look its best. I connected the Panasonic to an Epson 5050UB projector which has 16 different HDR luminance curves available between the two components, I could tailor HDR output very precisely to my room and screen."

    Pretty much why I like this player so much. I'm loving the amount of features to optimize the video.

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