A few words about…™ Carnival Row – in Stream-o-Vision

4 Stars

Try as I might to find Carnival Row, a new Amazon series, in a non-streamable 4k format, I failed.

And as it sounded to be just up my row, an extremely dark, fabricated world – I discovered a methodology that worked.

It’s called “streaming.”

Somehow, Amazon, along with a couple of other services, attaches a presumably long cord to one’s modem, and literally pours in the requested data.

Something new.

Having now viewed all eight episodes, I’ve come away loving the series, as well as streaming. One must understand that there’s a tad more compression than on 4k discs, so there is a slight downside, but when something is only streamed, there’s nothing to lose.

The world takes a bit to understand, and become the veritable norm, but one quickly becomes knowledgable in the various creatures and their histories.

Imagery works nicely. Audio likewise, although Atmos would have been nice. The series is 5.1, and it works fine.

Casting is superb, along with cinematography, direction and writing for the series.

Orlando Bloom and Cara Delevingne are the leads, with Ms Delevingne out fairying even Tinkerbelle. Her look and demeanor are perfect for the role. I do have a single complaint. I believe it was episode three, a lead-in to a love scene between Rycroft and Vignette (a Fey). Possibly the worst I’ve seen. Took me out of the story.

For those who may also be seeking the excitement of Carnival Row, all one needs is a Prime account, and some app or device via which to view.

I selected Apple TV 4k, as I’m an Apple completist, and it functions beautifully. Initially hiccup or two – presumably based upon data throughput. But the moment I upgraded to about 900 mbs, things cleared up nicely.

I’m told that there are other items to stream.

Image – 5

Audio – 5

Pass / Fail – Pass

Upgrade from DVD – What DVD?

Highly Recommended

RAH

Published by

Robert Harris

editor,member

31 Comments

  1. Streaming has come a long ways since I first streamed "Lucy Gallant" (1955) on Amazon several years ago. A lot of buffering with that SD stream that wasn't very good quality-wise. Nowadays, I own three Apple TV 4K units for each of my HT setups. On my two LG OLED's, it's rather difficult to tell the difference between watching a 4K stream and an actual 4K disc at my normal sitting position with the video in motion. It's why I made the decision to alleviate my disc storage problem by purchasing more streams and less discs. Now, I still buy my share of discs as I bought 10 of them in one day just on Thursday, but my purchases of them have become less in numbers.

  2. One of the sound mixers of Carnival Row posts regularly on AVS Forum and says the series was mixed in Atmos, and he has been in contact with Amazon about getting the proper Atmos stream working. Amazon keeps promising him that it's "imminent".

    And now that you're discovered Amazon Mr. Harris, I suggest you take a look at The Marvelous Mrs Maisel – it's currently my favourite series from any source.

  3. Rob W

    One of the sound mixers of Carnival Row posts regularly on AVS Forum and says the series was mixed in Atmos, and he has been in contact with Amazon about getting the proper Atmos stream working. Amazon keeps promising him that it's "imminent".

    And now that you're discovered Amazon Mr. Harris, I suggest you take a look at The Marvelous Mrs Maisel – it's currently my favourite series from any source.

    To be quite honest, I’m aware of the various streaming programming, as well as discs, but can’t find the time.

    Have been working on screenplays.

    That noted, I will watch ep 1 of MMM. Or Mad, Mad Maisel.

  4. Robert Harris

    It's called "streaming."

    Somehow, Amazon, along with a couple of other services, attaches a presumably long cord to one's modem, and literally pours in the requested data.

    This retired network engineer / architect got quite a chuckle out of this bit, Robert. Thanks for the laugh. :laugh:

    I need to add this series to my Amazon watch list.

  5. Robert Crawford

    Streaming has come a long ways since I first streamed "Lucy Gallant" (1955) on Amazon several years ago….

    Off topic, but when I streamed Lucy Gallant several years ago it didn't look very good (pan and scan low rez), even though originally it was a VistaVision production that should look wonderful. But I do like the movie, and would like to see it closer to the way it should be seen. Do you know if it's been remastered since?

  6. benbess

    Off topic, but when I streamed Lucy Gallant several years ago it didn't look very good (pan and scan low rez), even though originally it was a VistaVision production that should look wonderful. But I do like the movie, and would like to see it closer to the way it should be seen. Do you know if it's been remastered since?

    I don't have a clue as you apparently watched the same transfer as I.

  7. Dee Zee

    Undecided after the first ep but I may have to watch ep2 on your recommendation.

    I started watching episode 3 but the recycled sets and visuals (winter's coming!) from Game of Thrones killed my interest. A rehash mishmash.

  8. Trancas

    I started watching episode 3 but the recycled sets and visuals (winter's coming!) from Game of Thrones killed my interest. A rehash mishmash.

    I’m not seeing this. Produced in different locations, countries.

    A couple of timecodes would be helpful.

  9. Robert Harris

    I’m not seeing this. Produced in different locations, countries.

    A couple of timecodes would be helpful.

    Episode 3 when the soldiers are marching in fairyland, in the snow. They reach the citadel and these appear to be sets from GOT's Night's Watch and Winterfell. Starting at about 4:28. If they didn't reuse sets from GOT then the money wasn't on the screen; it looked like a redeployment of GOT visuals. I was expecting to see Jon Snow.

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    I stopped watching there. The earlier town shots reminded me of so many other period British pieces – The Sherlock Holmes films with R. Downey, Penny Dreadful etc. It just seemed like I'd been down that same CG trail too many times.

    But if the narrative does pick up (???) maybe I'll try again.

  10. I boycott streaming including streaming only offers for 3 main reasons:
    – technical quality inferior to discs
    – no ownership, no long time control over availability, one is at the mercy of the provider, the net, the offering company, the copyright holder, even the regime in totalitarian countries
    – no privacy, big brother knows what you watch and when

  11. Michel_Hafner

    I boycott streaming including streaming only offers for 3 main reasons:
    – technical quality inferior to discs
    – no ownership, no long time control over availability, one is at the mercy of the provider, the net, the offering company, the copyright holder, even the regime in totalitarian countries
    – no privacy, big brother knows what you watch and when

    Good for you. Next!

  12. Michel_Hafner

    I boycott streaming including streaming only offers for 3 main reasons:
    technical quality inferior to discs
    – no ownership, no long time control over availability, one is at the mercy of the provider, the net, the offering company, the copyright holder, even the regime in totalitarian countries
    – no privacy, big brother knows what you watch and when

    Some of these 4k shows look better than any Blu-ray on the market.

    Boycotting streaming at this point is just cutting off your nose to spite your own face. All you are doing is denying yourself some excellent entertainment distributed in a convenient method. The subscription services are no different than having a network subscription via cable or satellite TV. I guess you never have watched anything via those services, either.

  13. Scott Merryfield

    Some of these 4k shows look better than any Blu-ray on the market.
    Boycotting streaming at this point is just cutting off your nose to spite your own face. All you are doing is denying yourself some excellent entertainment distributed in a convenient method. The subscription services are no different than having a network subscription via cable or satellite TV. I guess you never have watched anything via those services, either.

    Correct. I have no lack of quality material to lock at with discs only. No interest in TV or streaming variants. The disc backlog lasts for several years of viewing pleasure, at least. 🙂

  14. Scott Merryfield

    Some of these 4k shows look better than any Blu-ray on the market.

    Boycotting streaming at this point is just cutting off your nose to spite your own face. All you are doing is denying yourself some excellent entertainment distributed in a convenient method. The subscription services are no different than having a network subscription via cable or satellite TV. I guess you never have watched anything via those services, either.

    It's not worth it. It's best to let them be.

  15. Streaming of The Crown is also a treat. Maisel was a one trick pony for me and I stopped after 2 episodes. Looking forward to The Dark Crystal series though which supposedly looks and is amazing per the reviews.

  16. Michel_Hafner

    I boycott streaming including streaming only offers for 3 main reasons:
    – technical quality inferior to discs
    – no ownership, no long time control over availability, one is at the mercy of the provider, the net, the offering company, the copyright holder, even the regime in totalitarian countries
    – no privacy, big brother knows what you watch and when

    Oh brother. 🙄

  17. Robert Crawford

    It's not worth it. It's best to let people with such logic alone with their set ways. Whether it's the disc only crowd or those that espouse streaming only.

    My reasons for not using streaming are very solid. On the other hand if someone is happy with the quality of streaming, the lack of real control over the material and the lack of privacy and the (potential) budget friendlyness they have their solid reasons to stream. I could not care less except for the unpleasant effect that the more people stream, and especially stream only, the worse the choice will get on disc limiting my freedom to watch things as I prefer.

  18. Michel_Hafner

    My reasons for not using streaming are very solid. On the other hand if someone is happy with the quality of streaming, the lack of real control over the material and the lack of privacy and the (potential) budget friendlyness they have their solid reasons to stream. I could not care less except for the unpleasant effect that the more people stream, and especially stream only, the worse the choice will get on disc limiting my freedom to watch things as I prefer.

    I never said otherwise. We all make personal decisions based on our own reasons and your prior post made that abundantly clear that you were steadfast in that decision.

  19. My paternal grandfather, who was born around the turn of the century, could and would give a litany of reasons why he refused to have mail delivered to his house. He was convinced that home mail delivery was a government plot to control the populace. He insisted on having a PO box to the day he died.

    I have no idea why that memory came back to me at this specific moment.

  20. Finished Ep 6 of this show today. Really great in all respects, design, sound, acting, writing.

    I’ve been streaming Amazon through my Sony Blu-ray player but Amazon notified me they will discontinue supporting the device 9/26. But I discovered my cable TV provider, Cox Comm, carries Amazon Prime though the cable box. I have to say the Stream-O-Vision through them is outstanding. Excellent PQ. I don’t have a 4K set but I suspect the originating file resolution is 4K.

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