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-- "For the first time in the history of the world, a clean and abundant source of renewable energy is as simple as the attachment of three wires, a gas line and a water hose."
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/021205/50296_1.html
http://www.genesisworldenergy.org/
I find it strange that the spokesperson, CEO, lawyer, and web contact all have the same last name. :rolleyes:How many more news services will pick up this garbage?
 

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How many more news services will pick up this garbage?
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The discovery of the latest perpetual motion machine is always good for worldwide distribution. Ahhh, the wonders of the internet.
 

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maybe its just me, but something isnt right about that yahoo news article. maybe about the way its written? it doesnt appear to have any outside influences commenting on their invention, except for the last couple of sentences. it just seems like a 2 page advertisement for the company. plus, when was the last time you saw paragraphs that large on a fairly major news website? usually they are broken up in two or three sentence paragraphs. anyone else feel something thats wrong with this?

from their website---
Because the Edison Device has virtually no moving parts, the only parts that need routine replacement are inexpensive water filters. The life expectancy of the Edison Device is 20 years or more. Although each customer's energy needs are different, average all electric homes may use as little as 30 gallons of water over the device's expected 20-year life cycle.
even though their 6th grade grammar amuses me, i dont buy this for a second, and anyone who does should start working for this company. i'd like to see a device that uses 30 gallons of water AN HOUR that produces 30 kW a day. i wouldnt even expect it to be silent. i'll allow it to be just as loud as i am laughing now. not very tight requirements.

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That's because it isn't a news article, Christ, it's a press release from Genesis World Energy. Yahoo store press releases for various companies they report on their business section.
 

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That's because it isn't a news article, Christ, it's a press release from Genesis World Energy. Yahoo store press releases for various companies they report on their business section.
ah ok. something wasnt right about the format there. ok, now lets all be happy about the perpetual motion machine. the edison device has undone the laws of physics. i'm going to get drunk now.

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I saw the last part of a report on these guys on the local news tonight. I didn't know what they were talking about till I read the attached links. I'll check the late news and respond on what I see.

I don't yet know the gimmick, but it seems that the licensing concept is the key element in this scam. Oops, sorry, the technology has not yet been debunked - yet.

Get a few naive third world governments to invest a few thousands of dollars, some utility companies to get a cheap license to keep the public off their back and these "visionaries" will take their money and run.
 

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Get a few naive third world governments to invest a few thousands of dollars, some utility companies to get a cheap license to keep the public off their back and these "visionaries" will take their money and run.
Humm, that part reminds me of that thing I heard about a special prototype car that was developped that used no gasoline to run except maybe a few droplets to start-up the engine, it ran on the principle that highly compressed air can ignite just as well as gasoline.

Now I'm still not sure if it's true or just an urban myth but what I heard is that the inventor of that system got paid a very large sum of money by an oil company to never release his technology.
 

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it ran on the principle that highly compressed air can ignite just as well as gasoline.
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The story you just described fits perfectly into the urban legend template.
 

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Call it fate or divine inspiration, but the Genesis team knows that every aspect of this journey came together by design. From every team member and each successful milestone, to the amazingly short development process — this scientific breakthrough is nothing short of a miracle.
Ohh.. this is good stuff. Where do I sign?
 

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Genesis' breakthrough technology cracked the scientific secret to extracting far more energy from water than the extraction process itself required,
That's the trick (and, I'm sure it's just that- a trick). The rest is already well-documented.
 

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I wish either:

1) I had the guts to go through with a scam like this on the stupid people.

2) People were not so stupid as to fall for this.



Besides the fact it takes an incredible amount of energy to break the Hydrogen / Oxygen bond, (which is why water is so stable), they are neglecting a key issue here:

They claim they can "re-assemble" the water molecule. But the Hydrogen and Oxygen are being used to produce the energy. SO HOW CAN THEY REASSEMBLE THEM????


WTF.
 

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They claim they can "re-assemble" the water molecule. But the Hydrogen and Oxygen are being used to produce the energy. SO HOW CAN THEY REASSEMBLE THEM????
I assume they are talking about some sort of fuel-cell technology.. which... last I heard isn't cheap. Not $3000 for a home unit cheap, anyway.

Also, your first point is a good one.. it would take more energy to break apart the bond only to get some electricity when you put them back together.

Wait a minute.. whats this!?! I just figured out how to power my PC using the graphite in my pencil! The only byproduct seems to be common household Pepsi-cola! Someone send me a check for this!
 

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They claim they can "re-assemble" the water molecule. But the Hydrogen and Oxygen are being used to produce the energy. SO HOW CAN THEY REASSEMBLE THEM????
See - http://www.howstuffworks.com/fuel-cell.htm, and substitute pure hydrogen as the fuel.
"Reassembly" of H2 and O2 is one of the easiest things to do in nature. Get them near each other, and they'll reassemble.:)
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Didn't see a repeat on the local news last night, but a story on the subject is on the front of the business page today.

The following is from today's eddition of The Idaho Statesman.
About the same as in the AP article except for comments from a representative from the Chamber of Commerce who says "It's incredibly interesting."

Idaho Power did not have a representative at the launch, but a representative said the technology was potentially revolutionary. "if this is legitimate, then it would revolutionize the energy industry," said Dennis Lopez, a spokesman for Idaho Power, after he perused the group's Web site ... Lopez said new ideas for generating electricity aren't uncommon and the utility's parent company, IdaCorp, has a division that is focused on developing fuel cell technology. "Our fuel cell division has a number of fuel cells being tested by the military and the other," said Lopez, but he added he isn't familar with anyone who has developed a process that uses colely water - and nothng elst - in a fuel cell. "using just water without any other resource would be a major breakthrough. I'm sure if they have a working model we could look at, I would assume any utility would be interested in seeing it."
end of article.

I see a lot of people dancing without risking taking a negative position that would get them in trouble.

I would less like to see major new developments of energy sources than the continued utilization of computers to manage current use of energy with the resultant drop in consumption in the future. There will always be a search for the holy grail I guess.
 

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The technology is the result of nearly two years of continuous effort by a team of more than 400 visionaries from a wide spectrum of disciplines, including science, technology and engineering. Assembled as the "Genesis Project," the team discovered a way to extract far more energy from water than the extraction process itself required
Well, the report was made about a year ago, so we can only assume that they've reached Stage 2 by now.

In an unrelated story, one of our ships, the USS Reliant, has gone missing.
 

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Vince: I'll e-mail him that link...

And I supposed his story about a "Die Another Day"-Style Satellite tests being conducted are false too? He said about 15 years ago, he saw a lightning bolt hit a transformer on the street and that the electric company came and replaced it so quickly that they were obviously warned about it. Especially considering that it was apparently clear sky at the moment it occured.
 

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And I supposed his story about a "Die Another Day"-Style Satellite tests being conducted are false too?
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He is a friend of yours....right?
 

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Your friend's name isn't Fox Mulder is it?
Nope, it's not him. He didn't come to work today but he called me tonight and I told him that about that fuel-less car he talked about being debunked on Snopes and he told me that it was not just something he heard from a friend of a friend but his dad knew someone and saw it. Apparently this was discovered by mistake doing experiments on an old tractor engine. The drawback was that the engine was extemely hot and that it's the heat that would ignite the Oxygen without fuel.

That still doesn't mean it's true, but at least his sources seem a bit more valid...
 

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