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HTF Tournament: Reviving the Icons of Cinema


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#1 of 615 Dome Vongvises

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Posted November 24 2002 - 01:56 PM

What if Stanley Kubrick personally finished Eyes Wide Shut? What if David Lean lived to create the work known as Nostromo? What would John Wayne say about this day and age? What if Alfred Hitchcock had the filmmaking tools of today? How would Marilyn Monroe look?

The premise behind this whole tournament is this: if we could bring back only one gigantic icon of cinematic history from the dead to continue their work, who would it be? The idea here is that whoever we do bring back, the assumption is going to be made that they will be at the top of their career. This will be David Lean with his epic pictures, Hitchcock with his genius of Vertigo, this will be Clark Gable of Gone With The Wind, or even Kubrick during the time he made the sci-fi masterpiece 2001: A Space Odyssey.


Winner: Stanley Kubrick
Score: 7 - 5

Bracket One

Winner of Bracket One
Stanley Kubrick

North
1. Stanley Kubrick(1:8-3)(2:12-0)(3:9-1)(4:8-3)(5:8-4)(Bracket One Final:8-4)
2. Alec Guinness(1:9-2)(2:3-8, lost to Fritz Lang)
3. Audrey Hepburn(1:14-1)(2:7-6)(3:3-7, lost to Fritz Lang)
4. James Cagney(1:8-1)(2:4-8, lost to Howard Hawks)
5. Howard Hawks(1:8-2)(2:8-4)(3:1-9, lost to Stanley Kubrick)
6. Joseph Cotten(1:4-9, lost to Walt Disney)
7. Fritz Lang(1:9-2)(2:8-3)(3:7-3)(4:3-8, lost to Stanley Kubrick)
8. Frank Sinatra(1:3-6, lost to Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
9. Rainer Werner Fassbinder(1:6-3)(2:0-12, lost to Stanley Kubrick)
10. Carole Lombard(1:2-9, lost to Fritz Lang)
11. Walt Disney(1:9-4)(2:6-7, lost to Audrey Hepburn)
12. Josef Van Sternberg(1:2-8, lost to Howard Hawks)
13. James Whale(1:1-8, lost to James Cagney)
14. John Carradine(1:1-14, lost to Audrey Hepburn)
15. Andy Warhol(1:2-9, lost to Alec Guiness)
16. Brandon Lee(1:3-8, lost to Stanley Kubrick)

South
1. John Ford(1:5-5)(2:8-2)(3:6-4)(4:5-6, lost to Cary Grant)
2. Cary Grant(1:8-3)(2:9-2)(3:8-2)(4:6-5)(5:4-8, lost to Stanley Kubrick)
3. Ingrid Bergman(1:10-5)(2:9-4)(3:2-8, lost to Cary Grant)
4. Gary Cooper(1:2-7, lost to James Mason)
5. Sam Peckinpah(1:7-2)(2:6-6)(3:4-6, lost to John Ford)
6. The Marx Bros.(1:9-3)(2:4-9, lost to Ingrid Bergman)
7. Lillian Gish(1:4-7, lost to Jim Henson)
8. Elvis Presly(1:2-8, lost to D.W. Griffith)
9. D.W. Griffith(1:8-2)(2:2-8, lost to John Ford)
10. Jim Henson(1:7-4)(2:2-9, lost to Cary Grant)
11. Jose Ferrer(1:3-9, lost to the Marx. Bros)
12. Greta Garbo(1:2-7, lost to Sam Peckinpah)
13. James Mason(1:7-2)(2:6-6, lost tiebreaker to Sam Peckinpah)
14. Walter Huston(1:5-10, lost to Ingrid Bergman)
15. Graham Chapman(1:3-8, lost to Cary Grant)
16. Marty Feldman(1:5-5, lost to John Ford)

East
1. Charlie Chaplin(1:10-1)(2:5-7, lost to Gregg Toland)
2. Clark Gable(1:2-8, lost to David Niven)
3. Marilyn Monroe(1:10-5)(2:5-8, lost to Saul Bass)
4. Preston Sturges(1:6-3)(2:9-3)(3:7-3)(4:7-4)(5:3-8, lost to Akira Kurosawa)
5. Andrei Tarkovsky(1:5-4)(2:3-9, lost to Preston Sturges)
6. Burgess Meredith(1:4-9, lost to Saul Bass)
7. Bela Lugosi(1:6-5)(2:2-9, lost to David Niven)
8. Gregg Toland(1:7-3)(2:7-5)(3:3-7, lost to Preston Sturges)
9. Luis Buñuel(1:3-7, lost to Gregg Toland)
10. Alan J. Pakula(1:5-6, lost to Bela Lugosi)
11. Saul Bass(1:9-4)(2:8-5)(3:7-2)(4:4-7, lost to Preston Sturges)
12. Don Ameche(1:4-5, lost to Andrei Tarkovsky)
13. Richard Harris(1:3-6, lost to Preston Sturges)
14. Karl Freund(1:5-10, lost to Marilyn Monroe)
15. David Niven(1:8-2)(2:9-2)(3:2-7, lost to Saul Bass)
16. The Three Stooges(1:1-10, lost to Charlie Chaplin)

West
1. Akira Kurosawa(1:9-1)(2:10-2)(3:7-3)(4:8-3)(5:8-3)(Bracket One Final:4-8, lost to Stanley Kubrick)
2. Laurence Olivier(1:9-2)(2:8-3)(3:3-5, lost to Spencer Tracy)
3. Grace Kelly(1:9-6)(2:6-7, lost to Spencer Tracy)
4. James Dean(1:3-5, lost to Warren Oates)
5. Frederico Fellini(1:6-4)(2:5-7, lost to Warren Oates)
6. Spencer Tracy(1:11-1)(2:7-6)(3:5-3)(4:3-8, lost to Akira Kurosawa)
7. Peter Cushing(1:4-7, lost to Myrna Loy)
8. Bernard Hermann(1:7-3)(2:2-10, lost to Akira Kurosawa)
9. Peter Lorre(1:3-7, lost to Bernard Hermann)
10. Myrna Loy(1:7-4)(2:3-8, lost to Laurence Olivier)
11. Stan Laurel & Oliver Hardy(1:1-11, lost to Spencer Tracy)
12. Rex Harrison(1:4-6, lost to Frederico Fellini)
13. Warren Oates(1:5-3)(2:7-5)(3:3-7, lost to Akira Kurosawa)
14. Jackie Gleason(1:6-9, lost to Grace Kelly)
15. Gene Roddenberry(1:2-9, lost to Laurence Olivier)
16. Maurice Binder(1:1-9, lost to Akira Kurosawa)

Bracket Two

Winner of Bracket Two
Alfred Hitchcock

North
1. Alfred Hitchcock(1:10-3)(2:7-2)(3:6-4)(4:8-1)(5:9-2)(Bracket Two Final:7-3)
2. John Wayne(1:6-5)(2:4-7, lost to Lon Chaney)
3. Bette Davis(1:5-8, lost to Claudette Colbert)
4. Vivien Leigh(1:5-3)(2:3-7, lost to F.W. Murnau)
5. F.W. Murnau(1:7-1)(2:7-3)(3:4-6, lost to Alfred Hitchcock)
6. George C. Scott(1:7-2)(2:8-2)(3:7-3)(4:1-8, lost to Alfred Hitchcock)
7. Lon Chaney(1:7-5)(2:7-4)(3:3-7, lost to George C. Scott)
8. James Coburn(1:7-6)(2:2-7, lost to Alfred Hitchock)
9. Harold Lloyd(1:6-7, lost to James Coburn)
10. Donald Pleasence(1:5-7, lost to Lon Chaney)
11. Lon Chaney Jr.(1:2-7, lost to George C. Scott)
12. Samuel Fuller(1:1-7, lost to F.W. Murnau)
13. Jean Harlow(1:3-5, lost to Vivien Leigh)
14. Claudette Colbert(1:8-5)(2:2-8, lost to George C. Scott)
15. John Huston(1:5-6, lost to John Wayne)
16. John Belushi(1:3-10, lost to Alfred Hitchcock)

South
1. Billy Wilder(1:8-5)(2:9-0)(3:4-6, lost to Buster Keaton)
2. James Stewart(1:7-4)(2:8-3)(3:6-4)(4:5-4)(5:2-9, lost to Alfred Hitchcock)
3. Frank Capra(1:9-4)(2:6-4)(3:4-6, lost to James Stewart)
4. Buster Keaton(1:6-1)(2:7-2)(3:6-4)(4:4-5, lost to James Stewart)
5. Carl Theodore Dryer(1:6-2)(2:2-7, lost to Buster Keaton)
6. William Holden(1:7-2)(2:4-6)
7. W.C. Fields(1:2-10, lost to Lee Marvin)
8. Anthony Quinn(1:5-8, lost to Marlene Dietrich)
9. Marlene Dietrich(1:8-5)(2:0-9, lost to Billy Wilder)
10. Lee Marvin(1:10-2)(2:3-8, lost to James Stewart)
11. Montgomery Cliff(1:2-7, lost to William Holden)
12. Ed Wood(1:2-6, lost to Carl Theodore Dryer)
13. Raymond Massey(1:1-6, lost to Buster Keaton)
14. Robert Mitchum(1:4-9, lost to Frank Capra)
15. Alexander Gudonov(1:4-7, lost to James Stewart)
16. John Candy(1:5-8, lost to Billy Wilder)

East
1. Orson Welles(1:12-1)(2:7-2)(3:9-1)(4:5-4)(5:8-3)(Bracket Two Final:3-7, lost to Alfred Hitchcock)
2. Humphrey Bogart(1:9-1)(2:7-2)(3:8-2)(4:4-5, lost to Orson Welles)
3. Walter Matthau(1:9-4)(2:5-5, won tiebreaker)(3:2-8, lost to Humphrey Bogart)
4. Judy Garland(1:6-1)(2:3-6, lost to Jean Renoir)
5. Jean Renoir(1:6-3)(2:6-3)(3:1-9, lost to Orson Welles)
6. Burgess Meredith(1:6-3)(2:5-5, lost tiebreaker to Walter Matthau)
7. Vincent Price(1:10-2)(2:2-7, lost to Humphrey Bogart)
8. Claude Rains(1:9-4)(2:2-7, lost to Orson Welles)
9. Yul Brynner(1:4-9, lost to Claude Rains)
10. Walter Brennan(1:2-10, lost to Vincent Price)
11. John Cassavetes(1:3-6, lost to Burgess Meredith)
12. Hal Ashby(1:3-6, lost to Jean Renoir)
13. Desmond Llewelyn(1:1-6, lost to Judy Garland)
14. Albert "Cubby" Broccoli(1:4-9, lost to Walter Matthau)
15. Takashi Shimura(1:1-9, lost to Humphrey Bogart)
16. Keith Moon(1:1-12, lost to Orson Welles)

West
1. David Lean(1:11-2)(2:8-1)(3:7-3)(4:7-2)(5:3-8, lost to Orson Welles)
2. Toshiro Mifune(1:7-3)(2:5-6, lost to Boris Karloff)
3. Jack Lemmon(1:10-3)(2:6-4)(3:6-4)(4:2-7, lost to David Lean
4. Gene Kelly(1:5-2)(2:7-2)(3:3-7, lost to David Lean)
5. Krzysztof Kieslowski(1:7-1)(2:2-7, lost to Gene Kelly)
6. Bruce Lee(1:6-3)(2:4-6, lost to Jack Lemmon)
7. Boris Karloff(1:11-1)(2:6-5)(3:4-6, lost to Jack Lemmon)
8. Rock Hudson(1:6-6, won tiebreaker)(2:1-8, lost to David Lean)
9. Mario Bava(1:6-6, lost tiebreaker to Rock Hudson)
10. J.T. Walsh(1:1-11, lost to Boris Karloff)
11. Roberto Rossellini(1:3-6, lost to Roberto Rossellini)
12. Ruth Gordon(1:1-7, lost to Krzystof Kieslowski)
13. William Demarest(1:2-5, lost to Gene Kelly
14. Rudolph Valentino(1:3-10, lost to Jack Lemmon)
15. Basil Rathbone(1:3-7, lost to Toshiro Mifune)
16. River Phoenix(1:2-11, lost to David Lean)

legend
(a : b - c)
a = round
b = c = score
if b > c, means they won
if c > b, means they lost

#2 of 615 SteveGon

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Posted November 24 2002 - 02:09 PM

Interesting idea.

I'll nominate Carole Lombard

#3 of 615 Evan Case

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Posted November 24 2002 - 02:19 PM

Stan Laurel & Oliver Hardy (inseperable)

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Posted November 24 2002 - 02:56 PM

Great idea! I like the names you have there so far, and I can't think of any more right now. I find it interesting that you have listed J.T. Walsh! Posted Image

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Posted November 24 2002 - 03:13 PM

Ingmar Bergman is still alive. Posted Image

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Posted November 24 2002 - 03:36 PM

Brian Lawrence said:
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Ingmar Bergman is still alive.

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Posted November 24 2002 - 03:38 PM

Nominations noted

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Posted November 24 2002 - 04:55 PM

Ill Nominate Sam Peckinpaugh

oh, and Katherine Hepburn is still breathing...Posted Image
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Posted November 24 2002 - 04:56 PM

And we all know that The King is still alive Posted Image

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Posted November 24 2002 - 05:44 PM

Yep, Katherine Hepburn is still alive.


Nominate: Harold Lloyd

Second: Carole Lombard


Interesting idea. I might start a secondary tourney taking off on the idea, "who, dead, would you like to see still alive and working?" and I have a ton I'd love to see. For one, I'd love to see more work by Brandon Lee, but he doesn't fit in this because he was too young and inexperienced at the time of his death to be an icon.
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Posted November 24 2002 - 05:56 PM

I'll second Harold Lloyd.

So I guess I'm done with my seconds and nominations.

Yes, I can't nominate anyone else. No nominations left for me...

...BTW, what was the name of that Writer-Director responsible for Sullivan's Travels, Miracle of Morgan's Creek, The Palm Beach Story, Unfaithfully Yours, Hail the Conquering Hero, The Lady Eve, and The Great McGinty? Posted Image

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Posted November 25 2002 - 12:52 AM

Yeah, someone nominate Preston Sturges!

Evan, thanks for seconding Harold Lloyd - now I don't have to make a tough decision!

I'll second Sam Peckinpah. Posted Image


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Posted November 25 2002 - 01:16 AM

I would have nominated Sturges, but Harold Lloyd immediately popped into my head. I saw Speedy in the theater a few weeks ago and had thought then, 'wouldn't he be making great movies if he were alive today?' and didn't think of Sturges until Evan's post.

I realized that if I started another tourney, it'd be just like this one, with the exception of including younger and less-well-known people (like Brandon Lee and Dominique Dunne). Maybe I could limit it to, uh, dead non-iconic-but-maybe-they-could-have-been film people. Hmmm, maybe "The Good Die Young" tourney? Has there already been one like that?
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Posted November 25 2002 - 01:37 AM

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Maybe I could limit it to, uh, dead non-iconic-but-maybe-they-could-have-been film people. Hmmm, maybe "The Good Die Young" tourney? Has there already been one like that?

Beats me.

However, I'll be doing a "They should be stars" tournament soon, featuring our favorite non-stars who SHOULD be stars. I've got dibs on nominating Steve Buscemi and Janeane Garofalo!

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Posted November 25 2002 - 02:03 AM

I nominate The Three Stooges.

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Posted November 25 2002 - 02:24 AM

Nominate:

Preston Sturges

And now who will nominate D.W. Griffith (my other main choice).

I think that you seeded the noms with too many actors, Dome.
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Posted November 25 2002 - 03:49 PM

Nominations noted. I'll make the changes tommorow.

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I think that you seeded the noms with too many actors, Dome.


I was clearly thinking bodies of work, and I didn't want to limit myself to just actors or just directors. The line of thinking was simply, "Wow, [insert name here] made/was in some of my favorite movies but they're dead now. What would it be like if they came back?"

When the actually voting starts, I don't see a problem at all with pitting actors versus directors. Some people might think, "Alfred Hitchcock is my favorite director, but I would rather see Bogey in another film."

The other reason for so many actors nominated over directors mostly has to do with my limited knowledge of "big name" directors who are dead. It's fairly obvious how limited it was: I thought Ingmar Bergman was dead. :b

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Posted November 26 2002 - 01:00 PM

I've made the necessary changes. Keep 'em coming folks.

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Posted November 26 2002 - 01:50 PM

Second Preston Sturges .
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Posted November 26 2002 - 03:40 PM

Ahem...anyone who listens to Denis Leary knows that John Wayne's not dead, he's frozen.Posted Image
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