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Alien 3- correct aspect ratio?


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#1 of 20 ScottR

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Posted October 09 2002 - 09:07 PM

The dvd of Alien 3 is supposed to be 2.35:1...but the actual film looks very stretched out and "fat." Everyone's heads look squished and all of the on-screen titles almost fall off of the screen...is it supposed to look like this? It's almost as if they blew up the picture and matted it down to 2.35:1.

#2 of 20 Graeme Clark

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Posted October 09 2002 - 09:16 PM

It looks fine to me. The intro titles seem to have quite a bit of space.

#3 of 20 Geoff_D

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Posted October 10 2002 - 12:47 AM

The title sequence is stretched in some moments, like when Ripley is put onto the table after she's rescued from the EEV. It's intentional and been that way on every version I've ever seen. And as for the title legends themselves, there is quite a bit missing on my tv - but I've put it down to the overscan on my 28" widescreen set.

#4 of 20 Michael Reuben

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Posted October 10 2002 - 01:25 AM

The titles on Alien3, as well as the text describing the condition of the Nostromo victims and survivors, go to the extreme edge of the screen, and some letters will fall victim to overscan. Ironically, the P&S version (at least as I recall) letterboxed and windowboxed these early scenes, thus ensuring that all of the text would be readable.

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#5 of 20 Gordon McMurphy

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Posted October 10 2002 - 02:34 AM

The titles were "shot" in with anamorphic Panavision at 2.40:1, but the principal photography was 1.33:1 Super 35 with 2.40:1 extracted for theatrical prints and widescreen VHS and DVD. I've got a feeling that certain SFX shots were Panavision anamorphic - or maybe even VistaVision! Who knows? Hey, Fincher! :wink:


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#6 of 20 Declan

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Posted October 10 2002 - 08:09 AM

Alien 3 is most definitley Panavision and not Super 35. The only film in the Alien series to use Super 35 was Resurection. Aliens was super 1.85:1 (if i am not mistaken it was one of the few films to use this flimstock), Alien 1 and 3 were Panavision. This is from experience from watching the film in P/S for over 5-6 years on tape then finally seeing the DVD. But watching the tape you could tell easily that it was Panavision.
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Posted October 10 2002 - 09:54 AM

but the principal photography was 1.33:1 Super 35


Not true. It was filmed in Panavision. Declan is right.

#8 of 20 Gordon McMurphy

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Posted October 11 2002 - 12:00 AM

Yeah, sorry Declan, you are 100% correct - Alien 3 was shot exclusively with anamorphic lenses at 2.40:1 :b

I haven't seen the film in a long time, and because Fincher seems use Super 35 for his films now, I figured he had always used it! Posted Image Silly me. Posted Image

But what's "Super 1.85:1"? You said that Aliens was shot in that process. I've never heard of it.

Thanks for clearing things up, guys. Posted Image


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#9 of 20 Iain Lambert

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Posted October 11 2002 - 12:20 AM

Another easy way to tell that Alien3 is Panavision is that they've gone lens-flare crazy on the cinematography in a couple of the sections, and these are all nice oval ones.

The other weird anamorphic lens thing is the bit shot from the Alien POV - it seems that they have an anamorphic lens on the screen and rotate it independantly of the camera. I wouldn't be surprised if that particular shot was Super35 or something, simply to avoid having to have multiple anamorphic lenses.
mmm, thats odd.

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Posted October 11 2002 - 06:00 AM

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But what's "Super 1.85:1"? You said that Aliens was shot in that process. I've never heard of it.

"Aliens" was composed for an aspect ratio of 1.85:1. It was filmed Super35 and the 1.85:1 frame was extracted from the full negative.

Usually, Super35 is used for 2.40:1 films.
 

 


#11 of 20 Declan

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Posted October 11 2002 - 06:31 AM

yeah, thats it. Could'nt think what type of filmstock that was that Cameron used. Simple when you think about it though, cheers Carl
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#12 of 20 Michael Reuben

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Posted October 11 2002 - 08:45 AM

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"Aliens" was composed for an aspect ratio of 1.85:1. It was filmed Super35 and the 1.85:1 frame was extracted from the full negative.
Carl, I'm not sure where you got that information from, but I don't believe it's accurate. Cameron has repeatedly said that The Abyss was his first film shot in Super35.

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Aliens was super 1.85:1 (if i am not mistaken it was one of the few films to use this flimstock)

Declan, Super35 is not a film stock. It's simply a filming technique that can be applied to any of the same 35mm stocks used for films shot with anamorphic lenses or films shot with optical lenses for 1.85:1 projection.

FYI, Aliens was shot with Kodak 5294, which was Kodak's high-speed version at the time and, I believe, is no longer made. Source: Cameron's interview with The Perfect Vision, published in issue 14 (Summer 1992).

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#13 of 20 cafink

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Posted October 11 2002 - 09:11 AM

Sorry, my mistake.
 

 


#14 of 20 Matt Naglieri

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Posted October 19 2002 - 12:53 PM

Im new to the forum and this is my first post.

This is something thats been bothering me for about 10 years now. I decided to put alien 3 into my computer dvd player using windvd and somehow it presents it as it was intended with the full titles displayed. In addition to that theres about a half inch or so of picutre on the side of each title.

If there is any question I am referring to the scenes where the bodys are pulled from the wreckage and their names are displayed on screen.

If someone can tell me how to get a picture of the screen to display for everyone to see please let me know.Posted Image Posted Image

#15 of 20 ScottR

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Posted October 19 2002 - 01:08 PM

Welcome to the forum, Matt!!!

#16 of 20 Matt Naglieri

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Posted October 19 2002 - 02:36 PM

Thanks for the welcome Scott,

I've been able to get images of the shots as they should be if anyone would like me to send them via e-mail please let me know

#17 of 20 Robert Harris

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Posted October 20 2002 - 02:05 AM

Super 1.85 is not a format.

It is simply FA or full aperture as opposed to RA, regular aperture, which has the information centered within the actual projected area exclusive of soundtrack.

Films have been shot this way for decades, especially when they were to be printed via dye transfer, allowing for the use of the additional frame real estate.

As an example, the majority of Hitchcock's films from the 60s were shot FA, ie, Birds, Marnie, etc.

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Posted October 02 2003 - 10:36 PM

Does anyone wonder if the newly restored version of Alien 3
will be a re-telecined at 2.40:1? Bear in my mind that's, David Fincher's prefferd final widescreen release ratio.
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#19 of 20 Mike Graham

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Posted October 02 2003 - 10:57 PM

DVD software for computers, such as WinDVD, does not overscan the DVD files, so some titles, especially Blade Runner, appear letterboxed and windowboxed.

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Posted October 03 2003 - 02:17 AM

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Yeah, sorry Declan, you are 100% correct - Alien 3 was shot exclusively with anamorphic lenses at 2.40:1

I watched this the other day and noticed that the pick-ups (specifically the dog-burster scene) were shot using the Super35 process and not anamorphic Panavision. Notice the lense flare in one of the shots that pushes in on the dog - it's not a compressed oval flare, but rather a spherical one with the top and bottom missing. BTW I've adjusted the overscan on my set and can now see the full title legends; 'BISHOP' instead of 'SHOP' etc.


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