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#1581 of 1639 OFFLINE   Malcolm R

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Posted March 01 2013 - 05:08 AM

I think that's a better decision. I never understood why they wanted to rush out the third film. These films seem better suited to a holiday release, than summer IMO. Release windows of less than a year between sequels generally always result in perceived box office disappointment for the third film (see Back to the Future III, The Matrix Revolutions, and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, all of which were considered to have under-performed compared to the prior release).
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#1582 of 1639 OFFLINE   Brandon Conway

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Posted March 01 2013 - 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Malcolm R 

I think that's a better decision. I never understood why they wanted to rush out the third film. These films seem better suited to a holiday release, than summer IMO.

Release windows of less than a year between sequels generally always result in perceived box office disappointment for the third film (see Back to the Future III, The Matrix Revolutions, and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, all of which were considered to have under-performed compared to the prior release).


Not that it matters THAT much, but all of those examples under performed because the anticipated 2nd film before it was underwhelming due to the much earlier first film. In other words, I think the quality drop for part 2's are more to blame for box office downturns for those than the 6 month between release window.


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#1583 of 1639 OFFLINE   Malcolm R

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Posted March 01 2013 - 07:08 AM

Possible, though one would think word of mouth would have dampened the grosses of the 2nd films. The Matrix Reloaded made about $278M and POTC: Dead Man's Chest $425M domestic. Those seem like pretty high totals if the audience was disappointed in the quality of those films.
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#1584 of 1639 OFFLINE   Brandon Conway

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Posted March 04 2013 - 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Malcolm R 

Possible, though one would think word of mouth would have dampened the grosses of the 2nd films. The Matrix Reloaded made about $278M and POTC: Dead Man's Chest $425M domestic. Those seem like pretty high totals if the audience was disappointed in the quality of those films.


Those numbers are a reflection of people's enjoyment of the previous film. That's the reality with box office so front-loaded in today's market.


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Posted March 04 2013 - 10:07 AM

I don't totally buy that, Brandon. Though I acknowledge your point. For example, The Dark Knight is both the highest grossing and most popular of the Nolan Batman films. Rises didn't gross more than TDK due to TDK's popularity. And there is absolutely a burnout factor. BTTF3 is a grand film, but came out quickly after 2, and the public was a bit burnt out. I do agree that the perceived quality of a previous film is an input. I just don't agree that it is the single largest driver of success. As always, the film itself is.
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Posted March 04 2013 - 03:59 PM

I don't totally buy that, Brandon. Though I acknowledge your point. For example, The Dark Knight is both the highest grossing and most popular of the Nolan Batman films. Rises didn't gross more than TDK due to TDK's popularity.

But it did gross a lot more than it deserved because of TDK. I agree with the others but add one caveat, the second movie of a series grosses depend a lot more on the first movie than the quality of the second movie assuming it is at least on the order of the first one, even if a fair bit worse by most people's standards, especially if the first movie wasn't as popular in the theater as it deserved. Austin Powers : IMOM, Batman Begins, and Pirates of the Caribbean come to mind.

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Posted June 09 2013 - 12:58 PM

A new poster

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The trailer should be out on Tuesday
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Posted June 09 2013 - 03:51 PM

Lovely poster. Expected the teaser this week. Man of Steel and all that.
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Posted June 10 2013 - 04:35 AM

A very cool poster.  My tail  -- a thunderbolt!


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Posted June 10 2013 - 04:59 AM

Love the poster!



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Posted June 11 2013 - 12:00 PM

The trailer is out, but I won't get to view it until later tonight.
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Posted June 11 2013 - 12:56 PM

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Posted June 11 2013 - 12:59 PM

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Posted June 11 2013 - 02:18 PM

Really looking forward to it!


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Posted June 11 2013 - 04:05 PM

Sweet! Legolas: The Movie.

Just kidding.

Not really.

Still, I liked the teaser.
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Posted June 12 2013 - 12:22 AM

Chiming in after 80 pages of conversation and just having watched

the new trailer....

 

First, let me stress that I am a huge fan of The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

 

I read all the books as a teen, and felt Peter Jackson did a superb job

translating them to film.

 

That being said, I really disliked The Hobbit....

 

...and I was reminded as to how much dislike I had for it when I finally

sat and watched the 3D Blu-ray this past weekend.

 

There are two major problems with the film as far as I am concerned.

 

The first problem is that it's more of the same of what we have seen

already.  Best way to describe the experience is...been there, done that.

 

The second problem is the greed involved in expanding this book out to 

three films.  It was unnecessary to do.  As a result, The Hobbit took too

much time to tell its story.  In fact, I found it a complete bore to sit through.

 

I am hoping that the next two installments that follow will be better paced.

Hard to imagine having to sit and watch an extended version of what has

already been released --- and this is coming from someone that prefers the

longer editions of The Lord of The Rings.


 

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Posted June 12 2013 - 02:30 AM

Chiming in after 80 pages of conversation and just having watched

the new trailer....

 

First, let me stress that I am a huge fan of The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

 

I read all the books as a teen, and felt Peter Jackson did a superb job

translating them to film.

 

That being said, I really disliked The Hobbit....

 

...and I was reminded as to how much dislike I had for it when I finally

sat and watched the 3D Blu-ray this past weekend.

 

There are two major problems with the film as far as I am concerned.

 

The first problem is that it's more of the same of what we have seen

already.  Best way to describe the experience is...been there, done that.

 

The second problem is the greed involved in expanding this book out to 

three films.  It was unnecessary to do.  As a result, The Hobbit took too

much time to tell its story.  In fact, I found it a complete bore to sit through.

 

I am hoping that the next two installments that follow will be better paced.

Hard to imagine having to sit and watch an extended version of what has

already been released --- and this is coming from someone that prefers the

longer editions of The Lord of The Rings.

Bringing The Hobbit to the big screen, I don't know how they avoid the first problem for the most part.

 

However, the second problem I do agree with you that it probably was best to show this in just two films, but I'll resist final judgment until I see all three films.


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Posted June 12 2013 - 05:57 AM

I had chills and a grin during that whole teaser.  I cannot wait until December.


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Posted June 12 2013 - 09:11 AM

The only greed I saw was Jackson's for the material, a vice I completely share. AUJ could have been twice as long and I probably still would have loved it.


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Posted June 12 2013 - 09:27 AM

I'm over my disappointment in Jackson's decisions regarding The Hobbit.  I thought the first film suffered from bloatiness, and I'm sure this film will suffer as well.  But, I'm dropping my expectations and just preparing to have fun with what we have!

 

At least Smaug looks ridiculously scary!  Is Cumberbatch doing Smaug's voice?  I see his name on the credits, and I was wondering.






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