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#1 of 155 MikeDeVincenzo

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Posted July 28 2002 - 03:49 AM

And they are well on their way to getting the government's blessing on it....


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#2 of 155 Jussi Tarvainen

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Posted July 28 2002 - 04:28 AM

Scary.

Even though I don't think these attempts to control P2P piracy would be very successful if utilized, it's distressing that they're being seriously considered as a method.
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Posted July 28 2002 - 04:29 AM

Nice to know that they plan on trying to shut down all P2P file sharing software, and damage the computers of those who use them. While lots of what is shared is copyrighted files, as much if not more of it is stuff that has no copywriters like someones garage band that just wanted to share the music to get exposure. Of course the RIAA hates that because they want to be the one to "announce" what is hot and the next big thing so that make sure they have them locked up in a contract first. If the other bill they talked about goes anyplace, the one about not letting you tape shows off TV or at least limiting it a lot, I have a feeling that the studios will find themselves back in the supreme court like what happened when they fought the battle over the VCR. What they don't seem to understand is that while some people do make copies of shows to sell or put on the net most people, myself included, tape them because we aren't home when the show is on. I also tape shows that I want to keep to just have, many that will never come out for sale. The ratings on many shows will drop if you can't record them. How many of the millions who watch Friends for example are watching when it actually aired? Maybe 60%, the rest are out doing other things and will watch it later that night or whenever. They never plan on selling it, just seeing it when they have the time. Sorry for the long rant but this just makes the blood boil.

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Posted July 28 2002 - 04:58 AM

Oh man, the ACLU is gonna be all over this. No way it ever passes.
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#5 of 155 Jeff Theobald

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Posted July 28 2002 - 05:15 AM

And how long would it be before they hacked into a corporate network because some employee was swapping files from a connected PC. Or maybe a state or federal employee.

How would they distinquish misuse from valid use since most of the P2P networks are also a venue for up and comin artists in addition to file swapping of copyrighted material.

#6 of 155 Jeff Ulmer

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Posted July 28 2002 - 05:28 AM

I hope it passes. It's about time copyright holders had some way of enforcing their legal rights.

#7 of 155 David Lambert

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Posted July 28 2002 - 05:43 AM

According to this article on the subject, Jack Valenti doesn't support the bill as written.

Why not? Because, according to that report:
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The bee in Valenti's bonnet is most likely the loose language in Berman's bill.

"A copyright owner shall not be liable in any criminal or civil action for disabling, interfering with, blocking, diverting, or otherwise impairing the unauthorized distribution, display, performance, or reproduction of his or her copyrighted work on a publicly accessible peer-to-peer file trading network, if such impairment does not, without authorization, alter, delete, or otherwise impair the integrity of any computer file or data residing on the computer of a file trader."

That can't be good. It means that anyone with a copyright will be allowed to hack the daylights out of anyone, including MPAA Headquarters, so long as they have a 'reasonable suspicion' of infringement and notify the DoJ of their intent at least seven days before commencing the attack.

Somehow, Valenti failed to impress on the over-eager Berman's mind that this legislation is for media giants only.



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#8 of 155 Adam Lenhardt

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Posted July 28 2002 - 05:50 AM

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I hope it passes. It's about time copyright holders had some way of enforcing their legal rights.
Even if such enforcement is a direct violation of the fourth amendment? I don't think so.

#9 of 155 Glenn Overholt

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Posted July 28 2002 - 07:04 AM

I take it that firewalls won't work to stop this?

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Posted July 28 2002 - 07:27 AM

Didn't the RIAA try and attach this to some anti-terrorism bill that was passed earlier this year? I remember them strongly dening this and calling the whole thing ridiculous. I guess they just meant attaching it to the terrorism bill was ridiculous, not the idea itself. This bill says that if they accidently damage your equipment, and the damage is less than $250, well tough shit, you're out of luck and have no legal recourse. How about random searches of homes and businesses next? And if they accidently destroy a dozen of your DVDs, well, that's your damn problem. Big brother can't be bothered with such minor things.

#11 of 155 Marc Colella

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Posted July 28 2002 - 07:40 AM

Even if they do get the approval, this wont stop anything.

What I find funny (and pathetic) is that the music industry is trying everything in their power to stop the piracy of music, except for one thing... dropping prices.

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Posted July 28 2002 - 07:56 AM

I have never participated in the whole file-swapping craze, and never will. I feel copyrights should be protected, and that those who create music, books, movies, etc. should be fairly compensated for their work. I feel that the rampant file-swapping going on these days in many cases deprives artists of this compensation.

But let's be clear, the member companies of the RIAA were depriving artists of due compensation long before the first bytes went over the Internet. This legislation is NOT about protecting artists' rights, but about propping up a failing & often corrupt industry that has fallen way behind the technology curve and lost touch with its customers.

I am appalled by this proposed legislation, and I find it mind-boggling that sitting U.S. Congressmen are actually sponsoring it. Even if this bill somehow passes, surely they have to know that the Supreme Court will strike it down as soon as it crosses their docket (and it will, the EFF & ACLU will see to that).

I urge everyone who opposes this bill to write their Representative and let them know how you feel.

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Posted July 28 2002 - 08:01 AM

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What I find funny (and pathetic) is that the music industry is trying everything in their power to stop the piracy of music, except for one thing... dropping prices.
I agree. Consumers are sick of paying $15 for a CD with one or two good songs.

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Posted July 28 2002 - 08:22 AM

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Consumers are sick of paying $15 for a CD with one or two good songs.

Nobody is forcing you to buy them. Lowering the price of CDs will do nothing to curb piracy.

Whether artists are being ripped off by their record companies is no one's business but their own, since they were the ones entering into the agreement. That has no bearing whatsoever on file sharing.

#15 of 155 Adam Lenhardt

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Posted July 28 2002 - 09:00 AM

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Nobody is forcing you to buy them. Lowering the price of CDs will do nothing to curb piracy.
That's simply incorrect. I know that I personally would buy more CDs if they were cheaper, and I know many others that would do likewise. As it is, I'm lucky to buy one CD a month.

#16 of 155 Ricardo C

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Posted July 28 2002 - 09:24 AM

Well, not being a US resident, I'm sort of watching this mess from the sidelines, but I'd like ot urge all Americans reading this forum (the vast majority), to make as much noise as possible. Contact media outlets, civil rights associations, ANYONE who can help kill this before it's too late. I doubt it'll pass, but it could still happen.
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Posted July 28 2002 - 09:41 AM

What is scary is that the RIAA and Congress can be in each other's pockets so deeply. Haven't the consumers been gouged enough with years, nay decades, of ridiculously high CD prices? I am all for artists getting their compensation, but if P2P file-swapping is causing studios pain, I rejoice. Let them feel what we've been feeling for 20 years: cheated and ripped off.

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Posted July 28 2002 - 09:47 AM

While in favor of copyright holders this is not a solution that anyone should be in favor of. This is very very dangerous territory and tramples all over your privacy.
Who is to watch the watchers?
What kind of countermeasures will be employeed to prevent people who want their stuff shared on P2P networks from getting banned and deleted?
What is to prevent consenting adults who do their own "movies" from getting their stuff censored?

This is not good and it will not stand.

#19 of 155 Adam Lenhardt

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Posted July 28 2002 - 10:24 AM

I encourage all U.S. HTF members to write in to both your U.S. senators and your representative about this matter and make your voice known.

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Posted July 28 2002 - 10:37 AM

Posted Image In the RIAA's dreams.

[rant]The only reason that people are stealing music is because of the RIAA's INSANE prices on obsolete CD technology. [/rant]

Simply... the RIAA has no one to blame but themselves.

I personally don't listen to that much "current" music... so I have no real opinion Posted Image


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