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INNERSPACE - Various Problems :-(


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#1 of 66 OFFLINE   John H Ross

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Posted July 08 2002 - 11:27 AM

Player: Sony DVP-S7700
Amplifyer: Yamaha DSPA1

I watched the new "Innerspace" DVD tonight. I've been waiting for this one since the format was launched. Imagine my disappointment when...

1. I discovered that the Dolby Digital 5.1 centre channel crackles whenever dialogue is spoken (I had to revert to Dolby Surround)

2. English subtitles default to "On" and I had to turn them off.

3. The copyright warning at the end of the film is in Japanese (what the hell?). Not a biggie this one but... well what happened?

I'm deeply disappointed with this disc (I bought it from Amazon.Com). Has anybody else seen it? Have you experienced similar problems? Will Gremlins 1&2 be the same?

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UPDATE 09/07/02
I've just checked this disc on my PC. The subtitles remain off and the FBI warning at the end is in English. I can't judge the centre channel because my PC only has two speakers. So there would appear to be some sort of software conflict with my Sony DVD player (the first conflict of this type, why did it have to happen on this tremendous film?!) :-(

#2 of 66 OFFLINE   Colin Jacobson

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Posted July 08 2002 - 01:17 PM

Haven't actually watched the warning at the end to see if it's in Japanese, but my copy showed neither of the other problems - I think it's a solid disc. Dunno why you've had those concerns, but neither appear on all copies...
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#3 of 66 OFFLINE   JasonKZ

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Posted July 08 2002 - 01:39 PM

Where did you buy it? From one of the infamous e-bay sellers?

Mine (from CDNOW) had none of those problems.

#4 of 66 OFFLINE   Patrick McCart

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Posted July 08 2002 - 01:58 PM

Sounds like a bootleg to me.

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#5 of 66 OFFLINE   Colin Jacobson

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Posted July 08 2002 - 03:54 PM

Just checked out of curiosity: no Japanese warnings at the end of the movie...
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#6 of 66 OFFLINE   Damin J Toell

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Posted July 08 2002 - 05:04 PM

Sounds like the disc is dual-encoded for R3 and R1. I believe people have run into this problem on other Warner discs, including Empire of the Sun, and have gotten Japanese menus.

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#7 of 66 OFFLINE   rutger_s

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Posted July 08 2002 - 08:21 PM

Japan is R2 not R3.

#8 of 66 OFFLINE   Mark_Wilson

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Posted July 09 2002 - 12:21 AM

None of those problems on my Panasonic H1000. I didn't watch through the credits though.

#9 of 66 OFFLINE   luke cav

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Posted July 09 2002 - 12:38 AM

No the Region 1 copy i picked up on saturday was fine, excellent dvd all round sound and picture wise.

#10 of 66 OFFLINE   MikeEckman

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Posted July 09 2002 - 01:28 AM

My R1 copy was fine too...I agree with all the reviews I've seen online in terms of the A/V quality. The video is near perfect for a non-blockbuster 80s film, and the 5.1 is adequate, although the rear channels dont do much in the film.
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#11 of 66 OFFLINE   John H Ross

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Posted July 09 2002 - 04:01 AM

I bought the disc at Amazon.Com so I doubt it's a bootleg. I've sometimes heard slight cracks during dialogue on Warner discs - eg Superman Special Edition - but nothing as bad as this.

According to the Languages screen, there is a Japanese language/subtitle track so I assume this is why the Japanese screen exists - but why my player chose to flash it up is beyond me.

Do you think it's worth returning it to Amazon for a refund or replacement? I love this film!

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#12 of 66 OFFLINE   Edwin_M

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Posted July 09 2002 - 04:22 AM

My copy also has the cracks on the 5.1 track. I'm going to return it Best Buy and try out another one. I'll let you know how it goes.

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Posted July 09 2002 - 04:32 AM

i found this recent thread that someone in it says it is encoded for region 2.
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#14 of 66 OFFLINE   Mark_Wilson

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Posted July 09 2002 - 05:27 AM

Its coded for Regions 1,2,3 and 4.

#15 of 66 OFFLINE   David Lambert

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Posted July 09 2002 - 05:38 AM

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Its coded for Regions 1,2,3 and 4.


Wow, what makes you think that? The box clearly has the Region 1 logo on the back! (bottom left)

Is it all the subtitles (Cantonese, English, French, Japanese, Korean, Mandarin/Taiwan, Portuguese, Spanish, Thai) that make you say that? WB has been doing that more and more lately. Is it REALLY meant for all those other regions on the same disc? That's freaking weird if true. Aren't these the guys who participated in the RCE scheme, and in fact who's participation brought the scheme to the public's attention? It seems funny that they'd relax normal regional coding now!
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#16 of 66 OFFLINE   Mark_Wilson

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Posted July 09 2002 - 07:26 AM

Nope, I have a little utility that reads the disc and tells me what regions its coded for, among other things.

#17 of 66 OFFLINE   John H Ross

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Posted July 09 2002 - 08:08 AM

Oh gee, a cost-cutting exercise? Who'd have thought it! It's not surprising that my disc has developed an identity crisis!

I'm kinda dreading the two Gremlins films now. Crackling dialogue, unpredictable subtitles and random language screens are hardly my idea of a special edition presentation :-(

I think the powers-that-be need to get their heads around DVD out before they go off on a tangent with D-VHS, HD-DVD, etc etc.

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#18 of 66 OFFLINE   Jesse Skeen

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Posted July 09 2002 - 08:45 AM

Columbia has been doing the same thing (multi-region) for their older titles for a while- most are coded for regions 1, 3 and 4 even if they say region 1 on the cover (most of them have Portuguese and various Asian subtitles.) What is cool is if you have a region-switchable player, it will show different copyright warnings for the relevant countries instead of the FBI warning before the movie that it shows if set to region 1. I haven't gotten any of the Warner discs that do this yet.
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#19 of 66 OFFLINE   MikeEckman

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Posted July 09 2002 - 09:09 AM

My guess is, they use the same disc for different regions, but have different packaging for each region.

Maybe this is just another player incompabitiliby thing, cause my version worked flawlessly on my Sony NC600B.
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#20 of 66 OFFLINE   Stephen Orr

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Posted July 09 2002 - 09:45 AM

I am watching Innerspace right now, in 5.1, on an Apex 3201. No crackles, no subtitle problem, etc. Just a very funny favorite that I'm sharing with my teen. Picked up my copy at Best Buy this afternoon.

Played on an APEX 3201, watched on a Sony 35 inch trinitron, sound through JVC RX-6018 receiver.