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New Xena DVD is PAN/SCAM


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#1 of 14 PhilipG

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Posted March 25 2002 - 06:40 PM

Ack! What a disappointment! Posted Image Posted Image

According to DVD File, the picture of the new Xena R1 DVD (the series finale) has been cropped for 4:3.

I was really looking forward to the disc, and now I'm cancelling my order. Anyone have an email address for USA Films?

Considering the shoddy quality of the R2 discs, I'm wondering if there'll ever be a decent NTSC release of this fun series. Posted Image

P.S. Can't wait for someone to post here and say "OAR isn't so important for TV" Posted Image


#2 of 14 Bjorn Olav Nyberg

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Posted March 25 2002 - 07:56 PM

I kinda missed the whole Xena train, and just when I started to get interested, someone cried out about violence in the series, and they moved it into the middle of the night. DVD has kind of been my last hope of seeing it, and then they start doing things like this...

Oh well, I guess I'll end up with the R2 discs eventually...
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#3 of 14 Ben Motley

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Posted March 25 2002 - 08:30 PM

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Xena fans won't want to pass this disc up, but the casual viewer might find this story a confusing place as an introductory episode. But if your a fan of Hong Kong films with a ghostly plot, i.e., "The Seven Samurai," you might want to pick this one up as well.


What the hell are they smokin' over there at DVD File?? The Seven Samurai is neither Hong Kong nor ghostly. Gah!

Okay, just had to get that off my chest. As for the dvd, I'm torn. Okay, so they added 15 minutes, but what's the deal with taking out those 5 seconds at the end? Okay, 15 min vs. 5 secs, no biggie, but what was cut? I haven't seen Xena since the 4th season or so, let alone the last episode, so I haven't got a clue.

As for the framing, yeah, this is too much. From episode 3 season 3, these need to be released in their shot aspect ratio. 1.85:1?? Yeah, these guys messed up here. Looks like they put some nice goodies on the disc, and I really want to support the show, thereby helping "them" to realize they need to put out season sets, but dang, if we buy it, they may feel okay releasing the seasons all pan and scan!! GAH! Why the hell aren't WE in charge?? Posted Image

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Posted March 25 2002 - 10:31 PM

Well you must know that OAR isn't so important for TV.


BTW I just said it, because I did not want you to have to wait a long time. Posted Image

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#5 of 14 Adam Tyner

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Posted March 25 2002 - 11:49 PM

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Well you must know that OAR isn't so important for TV.
The difference can be dramatic. Though these comparison shots aren't from Xena: http://www.r2-dvd.or....articleId=3763

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Posted March 26 2002 - 07:48 AM

Adam,
I understand and Support OAR under all conditions. I only said what I said because he asked for it. It was a Joke.

Ok Now everybody laugh.Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image

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#7 of 14 Ben Motley

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Posted March 26 2002 - 11:56 AM

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Max, you so crazy. Posted Image

#8 of 14 David Lambert

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Posted March 26 2002 - 12:56 PM

So let's play dumb here for a minute:

QUESTION: "THE XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS - THE SEASON FINALE" DVD WAS RELEASED TODAY AND IS FULL SCREEN (1.33:1). IS THIS OAR?

So officially answer the queston for the crowd, please (Ohhh! I know, I know!).
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#9 of 14 Ben Motley

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Posted March 26 2002 - 05:06 PM

OAR is 1.85:1

#10 of 14 Ken_McAlinden

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Posted March 27 2002 - 01:22 AM

Many modern TV shows are shot on super 35 using only a 1.78:1 shaped area of the frame. They are "framed" for 4:3 and then protected for 1.78:1. It is analogous to open matte theatrical films, but in the horizontal rather than vertical direction. If Xena was shot this way, then 4:3 is the OAR and 1.78:1 is the "open matte" version.

Does the 4:3 version have extraneous information on the top or does the 16:9 version have extraneous information on the sides? Does anyone know how Xena is shot?

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#11 of 14 Adam Tyner

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Posted March 27 2002 - 01:53 AM

It almost certainly has more on the sides.

FWIW, in the DVD File review, there's a note about Lucy Lawless complaining on the disc's commentary that the DVD was not in a 'cinematic format'.

#12 of 14 PhilipG

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Posted March 27 2002 - 05:00 AM

There's an interesting interview at

http://mrvideo.vidio....lHurstPt2.html

Here is one quote:

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If you look closely at the ET segments filmed during the making of " The Bitter Suite" and "A Tale of Two Muses", you will see that the "confidence" video monitors are marked up with both 16:9 widescreen and 4:3 safe area boxes. These would seem to confirm that both season three and four of Xena were shot 16:9. Robert Field later told me that they only started editing in 16:9 at the start of the fourth season, so the third season does not currently exist in 16:9 although theoretically the third season film stock could be re-telecined (converted into video) at 16:9 and then re-edited. Robert's view was that this option was too expensive to be done "after the event" for a home video release

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...what they're doing is future proofing it for when everybody will be showing it in on widescreen. You'll probably see the Hercules that no one else has seen because some things get framed for widescreen and we are deliberately doing that - putting people on the edge of frames and then when most people see it they won't be seeing what those people are doing. So there's little secrets that will be revealed. They're not majorly important secrets, just little things that enhance shots. That does happen because we have to frame for the widescreen format.

From that it seems that intended OAR is widescreen.

Conclusion (for Xena):

season 3 OAR is 4:3, (eps were shot in w/s, but special effects done on the 4:3 crop)
season 4+ OAR is 16:9


#13 of 14 todd s

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Posted March 27 2002 - 06:13 AM

I too am curious to what was cut from the last 5 seconds. Also, any word if Hercules episodes might come out on dvd. Besides the movies.
Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

#14 of 14 Dan Rudolph

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Posted April 04 2003 - 02:53 PM

Anyone know what was cut here? Almost all the violence was in part 1, and there wasn't any swearing or anythign particularly sexual, so I'm at a loss as to what would be cut.
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