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#1 of 36 Patrick Sun

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Posted February 07 2002 - 02:18 AM

I literally LOL when Archer landed on his backside, and his head was buried T'Pol's breastage. Sometimes it's good to be the captain! After that, I don't remember much of the rest of the episode. Posted Image

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#2 of 36 Mike Broadman

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Posted February 07 2002 - 02:38 AM

Great freakin' episode. Political intrigue, civil wars, Vulcans and Andorians- a healthy brew of problems and challenges. I liked it a lot; possibly the best one so far.

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Posted February 07 2002 - 02:47 AM

I liked it also. But the previews for next week were severley disturbing. B&B just couldn't even wait for the finale for some time travel. I could be wrong here but not of the alternatives are that much better.

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Posted February 07 2002 - 03:11 AM

Yes, good show. Lots of dilemmas (and ah... personnel matters) to deal with. Next week scares me.
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#5 of 36 Patrick Sun

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Posted February 07 2002 - 03:32 AM

You have to love the way N'Pol will answer in ways that require the person to make assumptions upon her answers.

BTW, I wonder how long it took them to shoot the "all-tied-up with nowhere to go" scene with N'Pol and Archer. Posted Image
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#6 of 36 Mark Turetsky

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Posted February 07 2002 - 03:44 AM

I really enjoyed last night's episode. I had good political intrigue, the mythology of the series was furthered, and it related to events which took place earlier in the season. I'm rather anxious to see how the cessation of combined Vulcan/Earth fleet operations will affect things. Will the Vulcans abandon Earth entirely, I wonder? It should be very interesting to see this play out. And you know what, for people who are responsible for "ruining Trek" who should either be banned from the Paramount lot or covertly assassinated depending on who you talk to, Berman and Braga have certainly done a bang-up job getting this show going.

#7 of 36 Mark Turetsky

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Posted February 07 2002 - 03:49 AM

Oh, and about next week's episode, Dominic Keating (who plays Malcolm Reed on the show) has repeatedly spoken of his pride in doing it. Hopefully his pride is not misplaced. It could wind up being a wonderful ep from what I've read about it. We'll see.

#8 of 36 Jack Briggs

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Posted February 07 2002 - 04:55 AM

The episode had its ups and downs--and, so help me, this ongoing process of creating a kinder, gentler T'Pol reeks of studio cynicism. By that, I mean this: I keep getting the impression that Paramount is still trying to sell us on the Enterprise concept. This entire block of new episodes has centered around on getting us to love this crew.

And the thing is: It's working. I'm buying into the cynicism. I'll stick with the show throughout its seven-year run as a result.

As for the episode, I liked the Starfleet/Vulcan tensions. And I liked the interplay among the Enterprise crew. I did not like the political-intrigue aspects as much for the simple reason we've had so much of the very same thing in TNG. Here, so early on in Earth's interstellar adventure, it seems a bit forced.

One plus, however: the Andorians are being fleshed out nicely--more than they ever had a chance back during the TOS days.

So, I liked last night's episode--but I resent how I was "forced" to like it.

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#9 of 36 Bill Catherall

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Posted February 07 2002 - 05:46 AM

Yes, loved the "bondage" scene! Posted Image
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#10 of 36 Todd Terwilliger

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Posted February 07 2002 - 06:13 AM

It was okay. I didn't find the political intrigue very compelling. I just love having the Reanimator back in the mix.
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#11 of 36 ikiru

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Posted February 07 2002 - 06:25 AM

[ rant ]

I felt the episode was average at best. I really like learning more about the andorians. Im not sure Im ready for an Archer-T'pol love interest yet. I just find it annoying that every time a male and female character is on a show, they have to fall in love. Its Enterprise, not 90210 for crying out loud!

In addition, there was no real resolution for a lot of the issues that went on during the episode. What about the civil war? Its not like I want to see it wrapped up in one episode, but at least reference it at the end. It was like it never happened. Also, didnt the Andorians have advanced weapons? Couldnt they supply the rebels with weapons?

I have another beef about whats going on. I really dont like the way the Vulcans are being played. There was way too much pride and anger going on for me to believe that this is the race that gave up emotions for logic. Would Spock have reacted in the same way as these "Vulcans"? Also, vulcans are void of emotions, however, they are not borg. I find the portrayal of T'pol and Seven of Nine (from voyager) to be similar. Even Spock showed a bit of inquisitive-ness when he was stumped, that was the whole deal with the raising of one eyebrow thing.

I do like "Trip". In fact, I think he would have probably would have made a better captain than archer.

I hope the next episode doesnt deal with time travel. I think the one thing that ruined Star Trek was the whole idea of time travel.

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#12 of 36 Jack Briggs

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Posted February 07 2002 - 06:37 AM

Good post, Ikiru! I agree with your points about the Vulcans as portrayed in the series. You can feel their repressed anger and contempt for us smelly humans.

#13 of 36 Mike Broadman

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Posted February 07 2002 - 06:38 AM

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Im not sure Im ready for an Archer-T'pol love interest yet.


This never happened, nor was it even implied.

Vulcans:
Everytime Trek discussion happen, people complain about how prideful and arrogant Vulcans are, and how they're not supposed to be that way. But they've always been that way. Spock and his father were like that, up through Tuvoc. So what's the problem? Every Vulcan on the show isn't a "real" Vulcan? I don't get it.

Vulcans do have emotions- much stronger than humans. They just try to suppress thenm all the time. And just because T'Pol says they aren't proud, doesn't make it so. In fact, that's the whole point: they are proud.

Time travel:
This is something that has also been a part of Trek from the beginning. Most people agree that the episode where Spock, Kirk, and McCoy meet up with a peacenik chick in the 30s is one of the best episode. Well, that was time travel. Trek has always had time travel.

To say that time travel and emotional Vulcans "ruin" the show doesn't make much sense, unless you feel that Trek was always ruined.

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Posted February 07 2002 - 06:43 AM

I think the Archer-T'Pol thing could be interesting. Humans and Vulcans did get together somewhere along the line (AKA Spock) and this is the first time the two have been in a position that would allow it to happen.
I don't know if that is where they are going with the story but I can see it working. Lets face it, if you put a bunch of people on a small ship and make them work together closely it will happen. It would always happen in the real world so why not in Trek.
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Posted February 07 2002 - 06:48 AM

Won't be able to see this until saturday. So I skipped what you guys had to say until then.

I have one question. According to the Star Trek website it says that Dr. Phlox is a Denobulan, why does he look like a Cardassian?


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#16 of 36 ikiru

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Posted February 07 2002 - 07:09 AM

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This never happened, nor was it even implied.


Perhaps we saw different episodes, but some of the scenes were intentially "akward" for the very purpose of planting the seed of a love interest.

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Everytime Trek discussion happen, people complain about how prideful and arrogant Vulcans are, and how they're not supposed to be that way. But they've always been that way. Spock and his father were like that, up through Tuvoc. So what's the problem? Every Vulcan on the show isn't a "real" Vulcan? I don't get it.

Vulcans do have emotions- much stronger than humans. They just try to suppress thenm all the time. And just because T'Pol says they aren't proud, doesn't make it so. In fact, that's the whole point: they are proud.


I have no problem with prideful and arrogant. Spock showed this, however, I do have a problem with Vulcans storming off like hurt little children because they couldnt have their way.

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Time travel:
This is something that has also been a part of Trek from the beginning. Most people agree that the episode where Spock, Kirk, and McCoy meet up with a peacenik chick in the 30s is one of the best episode. Well, that was time travel. Trek has always had time travel.


Im surely not opposed to the idea of having time travel, but the frequency in which it has happened, especially in the post-Roddenberry era, has made the idea of time travel too trivial. The appeal of time travel in older episodes (and even in Star Trek IV) is that it is rare. It seems that in todays star trek, time travel is an "easy way out" for the writers. Its no longer an element to be explored, its now exploited.

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To say that time travel and emotional Vulcans "ruin" the show doesn't make much sense, unless you feel that Trek was always ruined.

Star Trek was fine until Paramount decided that it had a real financial empire to protect and stopped taking chances with the characters and the trek universe. Time travel seems to be the easiest way "fix" things that get broken.

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#17 of 36 WoodyH

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Posted February 07 2002 - 07:17 AM

(Disclaimer - due to slipping into full-on 'geek mode' and having my head buried in HTML, CSS, and PERL code last night while working on my website, I completely forgot to watch Enterprise, so I missed this episode. That said...)

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Everytime Trek discussion happen, people complain about how prideful and arrogant Vulcans are, and how they're not supposed to be that way. But they've always been that way. Spock and his father were like that, up through Tuvoc. So what's the problem? Every Vulcan on the show isn't a "real" Vulcan? I don't get it.

This is something that's been bugging me also. So far in Star Trek we've had major exposure to only a few Vulcans - in rough order of screen time, Spock, Tuvok, Sarek, and Saavik. I can't say much about Tuvok, as I never watched much Voyager, but Saavik was fairly different from Spock and Sarek, whose portrayals were fairly similar. So, the majority of our exposure to Vulcans - and therefore our basis for how they 'should' act - is based on a Vulcan diplomat who did a very unusual thing for a Vulcan and married an emotional Human woman, and their son, a Vulcan/Human mix who it could easily argued very likely over-compensates for his 'flawed' Human side by over-emphasizing his Vulcan side (in fact, I do believe that that's much of what his character arc in ST:TMP was about - his realization when faced with V'Ger's total logic that you need both facets to be a complete entity).

Why in the world are we up in arms when we see other Vulcans that do not behave the same way as these characters? We're dealing now with new characters, in very different situations, handling a very touchy situation, trying to get these over-enthusiastic backwoods yokels out and into the Universe without either killing themselves, someone else, or starting some interstellar conflict in the process. Meanwhile, these new kids on the block don't take to kindly to their chaperones, and are constantly pushing the boundaries and testing their limits. Logical or not, suppressing emotions or not, I've got a sneaking suspicion I'd be a wee bit touchy if I were trying to help sheperd along a planetful of hyperactive five year olds with ray guns and warp ships at their disposal! Posted Image

And as far as basing our impressions of an entire race upon the performances of (primarily) two characters - I've met very few (if any) Canadians, but I've seen Strange Brew. 'nuff said. Posted Image

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This is something that has also been a part of Trek from the beginning. Most people agree that the episode where Spock, Kirk, and McCoy meet up with a peacenik chick in the 30s is one of the best episode. Well, that was time travel. Trek has always had time travel.

This however, I've got some issues with. The Guardian on the Edge of Forever (was that the episode name, or merely the name of the gateway entity itself?) is an excellent episode not merely because of the time travel aspect, but because of the script as a whole and the performances in that episode. I do think that time travel has become something of a trap that the writers are falling into - heck, have fallen into. I (and many other Trek fans, I think) believe that it has been used far to often as a plot device.

On the one hand, it's a very easy to use - you've got the dual possibilities of familiar characters in unfamiliar situations (which can be used for either dramatic [Guardian] or comedic [A Piece of the Action] purposes), and you've got the ability to bring other familiar faces from the other ST shows in as cameos (I can't think of any obvious examples other than Trials and Tribulations off the top of my head, but I'm sure they're there). However, I think there are far to many problems with continuing to use this concept (and it's one of my primary worries with this 'Temporal Cold War' that seems to be an important, if so far barely touched on, premise of Enterprise).

A couple just off the top of my head - First off, is time travel easy or difficult? Depending on the writer's moods at the time, it seems to be completely random. Sometimes it takes the expenditure of huge amounts of energy, sometimes it just takes a slingshot around a star to get enough speed, and sometimes it just takes clicking your ruby slippers together three times! Secondly - and more worrisome - is the possibility of paradoxes, alternate timelines, and the like. The powers that be are already walking a fine line with many Trek fans obsessed with canon who are tracking Enterprise for the smallest detail that might conflict with what's already been established in the series (just why is it that the NX-01 isn't displayed in Picard's display of Enterprises? Sure, realistically, it's because nobody knew that there would be an NX-01 - but some people obsess over these things). When you then add in the posibility of creating pardoxes and alternate timelines, it's not too far fetched to wonder if the Enterprise series resolution will be some twisted take on the Dallas 'dream' scenario where Archer, Trip, and T'Pol screw things up so badly that the only solution is to muck with the timeline and erase the NX-01 from existance in the primary timeline (which, incidentally, would explain why the NX-01 isn't dipslayed in Picard's display...Posted Image )!

Anyway...as far as the Vulcans go, yeah, I think a lot of people need to lighten up. But time travel? Let's just see where a linear timeline takes us for a while.
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#18 of 36 Patrick Sun

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Posted February 07 2002 - 07:29 AM

I've gotten the vibe that it would be Tripp and T'Pol that would eventually be hooking up. Tripp is the overly expressive one, and T'Pol is the overly inexpressive one. Opposites "attract".

Archer love Porthros too much to introduce a female into the equation. Posted Image
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#19 of 36 Brennan Hill

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Posted February 07 2002 - 08:13 AM

I also do not like how Vulcan's are now characterized when one considers Spock. Spock had so much more depth. He was a noble Vulcan without the cynicism and outright contempt for humans that the vulcan's on this show seem to display at times. He found human's actions puzzling, but he had respect for the indiviudual. Sarek, his father, was much the same. Of course, this could be attributed to his Mother's affect on them. There was also a tremendous amount of growth in his character if you consider the arc of his character from "The Cage" (or Menagerie) thru the feature films. I do feel that the portrayl of Vulcans on the show is not what Rodenberry ever had in mind. Anybody have Leonard's number? I'd love to hear his toughts on this!
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#20 of 36 Mike Broadman

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Posted February 07 2002 - 08:52 AM

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I also do not like how Vulcan's are now characterized when one considers Spock


Now you're comparing a major character to minor, incidental characters. Of course Spock will have more "depth:" he had 3 seasons to create that depth.

Re: time travel- it's a staple of science fiction. Expect plenty of episodes about revolutionary technology, mistaken identities, alien invasions, Prime Directive-type issues, medical drama, etc. That's just Trek.


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