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#21 of 43 Philip Hamm

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Posted January 30 2002 - 07:23 AM

Bruce, I hope you got the title on that 929! I've got a buddy who had a 2001 929 Erion just like that stolen when it was less than a month old in Downtown DC. Posted Image He replaced it with a 2002 ZX9R. Posted Image

Speaking of big pics take a look at this picture of my GPZ on a nice road but only if you've got plenty of bandwidth; it's HUGE!
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Posted January 30 2002 - 10:51 AM

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Speaking of big pics take a look at this picture of my GPZ on a nice road but only if you've got plenty of bandwidth; it's HUGE!


Skyline drive?


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#23 of 43 Philip Hamm

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Posted January 30 2002 - 01:40 PM

Nope, that's some road in West Virginia. Can't even remember the route number. The first smaller photo that I posted here was Skyline Drive. I usually avoid Skyline Drive due to the low speed limits and abundant rangers. It's a beautiful road, but not a good sportbiking road. Actually, that's one of those rare roads when I'd prefer that Valkyrie up there. Posted Image
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#24 of 43 Shawn C

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Posted January 30 2002 - 04:57 PM

You'd be suprised at what a Valkyrie can do in the twisties. It does not ride like a Harley-Style cruiser. Your feet are not forward, they are in the standard riding position, like a sport-tourer.

0-60 in 3.8
1/4 mile 12.0 @ 107 (Not very aerodynamic.. Posted Image )

Not bad for a 700lb motorcycle.

Here's an article about a guy who took his Valkyrie to the Keith Code Superbike School:

http://www.valkyrier...s.com/codes.htm

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Check this out! This is what a Japanese company is going with the Valkyrie.

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#25 of 43 Philip Hamm

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Posted January 31 2002 - 05:00 AM

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You'd be suprised at what a Valkyrie can do in the twisties. It does not ride like a Harley-Style cruiser. Your feet are not forward, they are in the standard riding position, like a sport-tourer.
But your body is still straight up and down, placing every bump directly on your tailbone, with the shock going straight up your spine. Ouch! My old Virago had a similar riding position (and also great handling - for a "cruiser"), and the peg location is definitely much preferred to the ridiculous "feet way out forward" position of most cruisers. It's still not even in the same league with a standard or sport tourer though, particularly when the going gets twisty. And the feet right behind the hot cylinders thing - no thanks!!
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0-60 in 3.8
1/4 mile 12.0 @ 107 (Not very aerodynamic.. )

Not bad for a 700lb motorcycle
Drag strip numbers are largely irrelevant in motorcycling unless you're at a drag strip. When I go out to the twisties and want to ride aggressively that doesn't matter if my back is aching from the "Sit up and beg" cruiser riding position and I can't get good leverage and my body over the front wheel. The Valkyrie is a nice cruiser I'll give you that, it's just that I don't like cruisers that much in general from a practical perspective, and I personally find the Valkyrie to be extremely homely, but that's just one man's opinion. If I were to get a cruiser (some time in the future, they are nice in their way - I'd love something for that 10th time out of 10 as described above) something like the Kawasaki Vulcan Drifter would be high on my list.

The Valkyrie is a nice bike for what is is, and definitely performs better than most other "cruisers". But don't deceive yourself. There's very little "sporty" about it. Posted Image
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#26 of 43 Jack Briggs

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Posted January 31 2002 - 08:16 AM

That's a bitchin' Valk'!

Hey, I road a co-worker's Valk for quite a distance along California's motorcycling mecca, Highway 33. The machine was surprisingly stable in the twisties, owing to its low COG. Though it was hardly "flickable" in the sense of my last personal bike, a CBR900RR. But it's a fun ride if you don't mind all that mass.

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Posted January 31 2002 - 10:42 AM

Gotta agree with Philip here.
I worked at a motorcycle dealership for about two years. Sold Triumph, Honda, Kawi, Yami, HD and Buell.
While the Valkyrie is sporty for a cruiser, the is NO comparison between it and a sport-tourer, like the VFR800 or SV650.
I would recommend the SV650 to anyone looking for sportiness, but is a first time rider. It has enough potential to keep you satisfied, is fun to ride, and it won't kick the shit out of you like the 929 will.
I personally like the grunt of a twin over a four. If I had the cash when I still worked there, I would have bought the VTR1000 ($6000, 3 years ago, brand new!).

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Posted January 31 2002 - 05:39 PM

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"Hey, I road a co-worker's Valk for quite a distance along California's motorcycling mecca, Highway 33. The machine was surprisingly stable in the twisties, owing to its low COG. Though it was hardly "flickable" in the sense of my last personal bike, a CBR900RR. But it's a fun ride if you don't mind all that mass.


Yeah, that's all that I was trying to say. I KNOW it's not a 'sport' bike but it IS alot 'sportier' than 99% of the cruisers out there. (New Yamaha Road Star Warrior has it beat in the handling department, pretty much).

The Valkyrie does very well for itself. It looks ungainly and monstrous but it suprises everyone who rides it. Alot of people are afraid to ride it. I hear, "Oh, that bike is too big for me" all the time.

As for me, the Valkyrie is the reason I got into motorcycling. After seeing that commercial with the Valkyrie powersliding through the desert, I just had to have one. I took the MSF course, bought an '83 Magna for $600.00, sold it a month later and bought the Valkyrie.

#29 of 43 Philip Hamm

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Posted February 01 2002 - 12:08 AM

The Valk is a very cool bike. Not my cup of tea, but very cool in its own way.
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#30 of 43 Jack Briggs

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Posted February 01 2002 - 04:34 AM

Yes, it's definitely cool. In my fantasy garage [thread idea!], there would certainly be a space reserved for this cruiser that doesn't ape the machines out of Milwaukee.

From an academic standpoint, all of motorcycling technology interests me--though I wouldn't plunk down my greenery for much of it. For example, the Titan line of custom H-Ds. When I see those things at The Rock Store, I marvel over the craftsmanship and the ocean-deep paint and chrome. But would I spend $40K or more on one? No way. I would much prefer to spend that much money on a GSX-R1000R and a CBR600F4i, as well as a set of good racing leathers and a pair of Arai helmets--and the insurance.

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Posted February 01 2002 - 04:53 AM

Actually, my next bike just might be one of these. This new ST1300 just look too cool. It's a 2003 model. They sell it overseas now as the Pan-European.

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Posted February 01 2002 - 04:58 AM

Leave it to Honda to do things so right. And I love the ST's longitudinal inline Four. You'd think Honda invented the motorcycle.

#33 of 43 Shawn C

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Posted February 01 2002 - 06:10 AM

1261cc liquid-cooled longitudinally mounted
90-degree V-4

It's not an inline 4, it's a V-4. The only inline 4s that they have are in the CB750 (Nighthawk) and the new 919. Although in Japan, they have a CB1300 and a CB500 still, I think.

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Posted February 01 2002 - 06:22 AM

Haste = typo!

D'oh! I know it's a V-Four, but my hands like to make a keyboard fly at the expense of accuracy!

Beautiful sport-tourer, though.

#35 of 43 Philip Hamm

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Posted February 01 2002 - 11:50 AM

You might want to check out the new for 2003 Kawasaki ZZ-R1200 also.
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It's a heck of a bike on paper, ZX-11 based, much lighter, more powerful, and faster than the Honda (which is IMO only borderline "Sport", much closer to a Goldwing than a CBR in form and function). The ZZ-R will have a chain drive so no shaft effect during spirited riding (if you like a shaft that's a negative, but to me it's a positive), accessory OEM Givi bags, and as much proven reliability as the ST, and probably at a lower price. A good bit sportier than the ST, that may draw you to it or away from it depending on your particular preferences.
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Posted February 01 2002 - 05:11 PM

ugh.. the ST1300 is too much of a 'priller futura knockoff. Posted Image

not a huge honda fan to begine with though Posted Image

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Posted February 02 2002 - 08:07 AM

When is the ZZ-R1200 coming out?

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Posted February 02 2002 - 11:33 AM

Spring this year it's set to hit the states. Nice bike, if that'w what you're into (I am).
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#39 of 43 Shawn C

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Posted February 03 2002 - 06:56 PM

Yeah, that new Yamaha looks pretty nice. I would like to see a head-to-head battle between that bike and the new ST1300. Whenever I get a new bike, which may be years away, it will probably end up being a sport-tourer.

I really like the Aprilla Futura as well. It's a nice looking bike. I'm just worried about it's reliability and the ability to find parts for it.

Remember too, that alot of people consider the Honda Interceptor (VFR800) a 'sport' tourer with the emphasis on 'sport'. The VFR is going to finally be available with factory hard-bags, also made by Givi, I think..

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Posted February 04 2002 - 02:48 AM

The VFR and the Futura are more what the ZZ-R1200 is aiming at, rather than the very touring oriented ST1300 and Yamaha (which is not available in the states anyway). I like what Kawasaki and Honda have done, OEMing color matched bags from Givi, it's a great idea. The Honda 800 is a bit down on power though for a sport touring bike IMO Personally when carrying my heavy self and many pounds of gear at high speed highway travel I think it would be lacking compared to my GPZ. That's one reason I didn't buy it (though it - the 750 version - was one of the bikes I considered, along with the Suzuki RF900R). Another is that I really dislike Honda styling, I think most of their bikes are ugly as hell, the VFR leading the list (despite the incredibly cool single sided swingarm).
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