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[I've wrestled with posting this as I don't want it to be incorrectly taken as criticism of an active HTF sponsor, which it most certainly is not. Here goes...]

I know why I love and collect movies, but what's come as a surprise has been my escalating rate of accumulation. There's been an urgency to it that I think I'm starting to understand.

I'll refer to it as "TT Frenzy" - for a couple of reasons: 1) HTF members are mostly familiar with the Twilight Time pre-order ritual; 2) although these feelings can apply to all distributors, they're more prominent and transparent when it comes to TT.

TT's limited edition disc releases are an upfront business model - everyone (studio, distributor, consumer) knows where they stand. Dawdle too long and you might miss out on a coveted title and that's that. So every time there is a pre-order of a perceived popular title, potential buyers like me need to weigh up the different variables involved, before deciding whether and when to take the plunge.

These variables include item price vs current state of personal liquidity, probability of rapid sell-out, and the likelihood of other distributors (be they US-based or international) ever releasing the same title again to as high a standard on physical media (and if so, maybe at a much cheaper price). For some - although this has never been a factor for me - there is also the consideration of potential resale value, given the items' limited edition nature.

All of this leads to a degree of angst whenever TT flings open its virtual doors for pre-orders. If the pre-order succeeds, that angst is followed by a sense of relief for some, elation for others and manipulated resentment for yet others. For me, all of these in sequence. All for what? Buying a disc?

Is the resentment directed towards TT? No. It comes from the persistent feeling that just when technology has unfurled the red carpet of possibility for a century of priceless film heritage, market realities are threatening to pull that same rug from under my feet.

As stated earlier, this phenomenon isn't limited to TT, for while we may not know the stock levels of titles released by other studios, we do know they are finite. I'm sure we've all missed out on titles because we assumed they would be around forever, only to find they've gone out of print and are now only available at cut-throat prices on the after-market. As a result, TT Frenzy occurs (for me) on a broader scale across all labels, although less obviously and acutely.

This anxiety that the clock is ticking down, both on specific titles and on the physical medium of disc itself, has been the fuel of my accelerated buying habit.

Still, I comfort myself that there are far more damaging habits around than accumulating movie discs, and this one happens to have a lot of up-sides.
 

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Oh sure, Ramin...


You can try to pin the blame for YOUR issues on someone else (Twilight Time)...but I think it's time to accept some personal responsibility on your part! :laugh:


But I know exactly what you're talking about...and have on two occasions found myself at TT's website on pre-order day (most recently when A Man For All Seasons went up for sale). And both times I have ordered other discs as well. :biggrin:


Another frenzy moment I had recently was when I realized I wanted to buy a Blu-ray of The Shipping News--a not-much-in-demand film from a few years ago. Well, I couldn't find a copy of this film anywhere...except at exorbitant prices from third-party sellers. I finally found a rather inexpensive copy on eBay...but not before experiencing that "what am I going to do?" sickness in the pit of my stomach. After all, I HAD to have that disc! :rolleyes:


I've followed the discussions here about TT's business model. I wouldn't dare to think I could ever know better than them what works with this part of the trade. Frankly, the ability to create demand by limiting supply is an age-old gambit and one which just happens to follow the earlier decision to not print a whole lot more to end up with excess inventory. So, it puts us on edge. That's our fault. If you want one...buy it up front and don't run the risk of losing out.


Easy. Right? :blink:
 

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Mike Frezon said:
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Another frenzy moment I had recently was when I realized I wanted to buy a Blu-ray of The Shipping News--a not-much-in-demand film from a few years ago. Well, I couldn't find a copy of this film anywhere...except at exorbitant prices from third-party sellers. I finally found a rather inexpensive copy on eBay...but not before experiencing that "what am I going to do?" sickness in the pit of my stomach. After all, I HAD to have that disc! :rolleyes:



...

I have The Shipping News on Blu. Paid $6 for it from Amazon back in March 2013 when it was released (got Beautiful Girls at the same time & price). Is it really out of print already??


Edit: just looked it up an Amazon. $34.99. Yikes! That won't last for long though. It's being re-released in June, this time with a Digital Copy included. $9.99 pre-order.


This is a strange business.
 

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For me, it was Frank Capra's Lady for a Day which is already out of print after just three years. I dawdled and missed out. I'm still looking for a copy and don't want to spend more that $20 for it.
 

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Mark-P said:
For me, it was Frank Capra's Lady for a Day which is already out of print after just three years. I dawdled and missed out. I'm still looking for a copy and don't want to spend more that $20 for it.
Same here Mark - exactly! Really wanted that as precursor to Capra's remake, Pocketful of Miracles. It looked like a decent restoration and cleanup too. Kicked myself when it sold out.

Edit: the asking price for 3rd party isn't cut-throat yet, but this has been a particularly expensive month of purchases and pre-orders, so I'm not inclined to pay $25 for it. I'll no doubt kick myself again next month when the price doubles over!
 

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There is also a corollary in-play here. If you want to name the corollary after me (e.g., "Dave's Law"), that's fine. :)


"Whenever I find a title that I had missed (usually because it is reissued, or it is upgraded from DVD to Blu), I almost instantly learn of at least *two* other titles (previously unknown, to me) that I had also missed, and now must own." In this way, my list never actually decreases; in fact, my list constantly increases.
 

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Mark-P said:
For me, it was Frank Capra's Lady for a Day which is already out of print after just three years. I dawdled and missed out. I'm still looking for a copy and don't want to spend more that $20 for it.
currently $24.98 plus shipping, thru amazon, but if you go to B2MP's site the original price is $29.98 so it can still be had, just a little more than you want to spend, unlike the TT disc that show up on amazon for $50 or more depending on the title
 

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Dave B Ferris said:
There is also a corollary in-play here. If you want to name the corollary after me (e.g., "Dave's Law"), that's fine. :)

"Whenever I find a title that I had missed (usually because it is reissued, or it is upgraded from DVD to Blu), I almost instantly learn of at least *two* other titles (previously unknown, to me) that I had also missed, and now must own." In this way, my list never actually decreases; in fact, my list constantly increases.
Hah! I believe the affliction is more commonly known as "Dave's Syndrome", and I have been a sufferer for some time. There seems to be no cure in sight.
 

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dana martin said:
currently $24.98 plus shipping, thru amazon, but if you go to B2MP's site the original price is $29.98 so it can still be had, just a little more than you want to spend, unlike the TT disc that show up on amazon for $50 or more depending on the title
Mark, I think Dana has a good point here. If you look at the list of 3rd party Amazon sellers for Lady For A Day (link below), the next asking price after B2MP is $58.89. I can't buy the copy from B2MP, because they only do domestic shipping within the US.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B006QS9MC2/ref=tmm_blu_new_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=new&sr=&qid=
 

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RMajidi said:
Hah! I believe the affliction is more commonly known as "Dave's Syndrome", and I have been a sufferer for some time. There seems to be no cure in sight.

One cure might be to stop hanging-out at this place, but in that sense, I'm actively resisting the cure.
 

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RMajidi said:
Very true that!

Which also calls to mind HTF Paradox:

Time spent in-forum --> increased disc purchases
Time spent in-forum --> reduced time to watch purchased discs
Equally true!


We've "liked" one another in this thread, and - I think - a few other threads.


But I've been thinking about another paradox. I hope my thoughts will not offend you or anger you.


How often is there really a frenzy?


Since this thread concerns TT, take the case of AMFAS.


If one were to casually look at the AMFAS thread, one would say there are a lot of posts, a lot of excitement, so there must be a frenzy.


But looking closer, one finds that while the excitement was 100% genuine, there were really just six or seven (let's say 10, tops) posters driving the thread (i.e., making the majority of the posts),


10 out of, what, 40,000+ HTF members? Out of the population of the U.S? Out of the population of the world, since you're in Australia?


Now, I'm sure there is a formula to count the lurkers and others who choose to remain silent, but who are still excited to order the Blu, although I do not know the formula. But I would certainly agree the number would be higher than 10.


Still, I'm not sure even the higher number is a frenzy.


Off the top of my head, frenzy, at least here in the U.S., was previously defined as parents camping overnight in a store parking lot, and/or engaging in physical altercations for a Tickle Me Elmo.


So on the "frenzy scale" (copyright), I'm thinking most Blu's are below Tickle Me Elmo (or the newest iPhone).
 

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As a member of that usually silent majority, I can only wish that there was a frenzy for a title with as much quality as AS MAN FOR ALL SEASONS. I camped out at their website on street date thinking that high traffic volume would slow the site to a crawl, but sailed right through the checkout with blazing speed. I guess I should have known better, since AMFAS is not science fiction or horror.
 

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Man, this thread brings back memories of my early DVD-buying insanity. At this point I buy maybe 3-4 discs a year, tops. ("Year" used to be "week.")


My pangs of guilt at missing something tend to wane almost immediately. There just aren't enough hours left in my life to watch 'em all, especially considering the rate at which new stuff comes out!
 

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Fortunately, none of my TT purchases have fallen into the "near-immediate sell-out" category (i.e., Christine, Fright Night, etc) so I'm usually ok with waiting a while to order. I've bought about 3 of their titles once they've hit the "low quantity alert" stage (Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines, Leave Her to Heaven, Bell, Book and Candle). The set price point (with only a once a year anniversary sale) plus the lower likelihood that title I want will sell out quickly allow me procrastinate (or wait for the annual sale) without too much anxiety.
 

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Dave B Ferris said:
...But I've been thinking about another paradox. I hope my thoughts will not offend you or anger you.

How often is there really a frenzy?

Since this thread concerns TT, take the case of AMFAS.

If one were to casually look at the AMFAS thread, one would say there are a lot of posts, a lot of excitement, so there must be a frenzy.

But looking closer, one finds that while the excitement was 100% genuine, there were really just six or seven (let's say 10, tops) posters driving the thread (i.e., making the majority of the posts).
Thanks for your thoughtful post Dave. Not offended or angered in the least. Actually, I was hoping for reflections of this kind to emerge when I started this thread.

In the context of TT Frenzy, I was referring to a personal sense of urgency and resulting behaviours, rather than necessarily the actual numbers involved. It is perception more than actuality that brings that sense of urgency. The expressions of relief and elation by members in posts immediately after successful placement of pre-orders made me realise that that sense of concern bordering on anxiety was felt by others as well as myself. TT Frenzy seems fair enough to describe that sensation.

I'm still not sure about the numbers re A Man For All Seasons. I was never going to risk missing out, as it stands in a category above all other films for me; so there was no question I'd be there for the opening bell. It was clear from some other posts, that I wasn't alone in that mindset.

I was also aware that the number of posters on that thread was small. The figure that seemed possibly more pertinent was the number of visitors to that thread, which was over five thousand the last I checked. I compared that to viewing figures for threads such as Mississippi Burning and several recent review threads by RAH, which numbered in the 400 - 600 range (Goodfellas naturally being the major exception with some 16,000 visitors). This was cause enough for me to believe that a pre-order sellout was at least plausible.
 
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Rob_Ray said:
As a member of that usually silent majority, I can only wish that there was a frenzy for a title with as much quality as AS MAN FOR ALL SEASONS. I camped out at their website on street date thinking that high traffic volume would slow the site to a crawl, but sailed right through the checkout with blazing speed. I guess I should have known better, since AMFAS is not science fiction or horror.
Precisely!
 

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RMajidi said:
Thanks for your thoughtful post Dave. Not offended or angered in the least. Actually, I was hoping for reflections of this kind to emerge when I started this thread.

In the context of TT Frenzy, I was referring to a personal sense of urgency and resulting behaviours, rather than necessarily the actual numbers involved. It is perception more than actuality that brings that sense of urgency. The expressions of relief and elation by members in posts immediately after successful placement of pre-orders made me realise that that sense of concern bordering on anxiety was felt by others as well as myself. TT Frenzy seems fair enough to describe that sensation.

I'm still not sure about the numbers re A Man For All Seasons. I was never going to risk missing out, as it stands in a category above all other films for me; so there was no question I'd be there for the opening bell. It was clear from some other posts, that I wasn't alone in that mindset.

I was also aware that the number of posters on that thread was small. The figure that seemed possibly more pertinent was the number of visitors to that thread, which was over five thousand the last I checked. I compared that to viewing figures for threads such as Mississippi Burning and several recent review threads by RAH, which numbered in the 400 - 600 range (Goodfellas naturally being the major exception with some 16,000 visitors). This was cause enough for me to believe that a pre-order sellout was at least plausible.
I never thought for a second that AMFAS would sell out quickly.....catalog titles, other than horror/sci-fi/fantasy, just don't sell out quickly. Even the new remastered edition of Journey to the Center of the Earth hasn't sold out (and, as far as I know, hasn't even generated a "low quantity alert" yet and it was released almost 2 months ago). Even Warner Archives has jumped on the wagon, releasing Wolfen and Ladyhawke in, what I believe, is an attempt to cash-in on the horror/sci-fi/fantasy fans that crave these titles apparently much more than I and others crave titles like AMFAS.
 

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atfree said:
I never thought for a second that AMFAS would sell out quickly.....catalog titles, other than horror/sci-fi/fantasy, just don't sell out quickly. Even the new remastered edition of Journey to the Center of the Earth hasn't sold out (and, as far as I know, hasn't even generated a "low quantity alert" yet and it was released almost 2 months ago). Even Warner Archives has jumped on the wagon, releasing Wolfen and Ladyhawke in, what I believe, is an attempt to cash-in on the horror/sci-fi/fantasy fans that crave these titles apparently much more than I and others crave titles like AMFAS.
Well, let's put it this way. I am happy and relieved that
I got my order through. I'd be disappointed if AMFAS doesn't sell well within a reasonable timeframe.
 

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