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#1 of 71 OFFLINE   diceman1000

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Posted January 19 2014 - 08:53 AM

ok, i've asked this question on other forums and gotten lots of responses, just curious what the consensus here will be. my current setup is an AVR- Onkyo TX-SR508 Speakers- Infinity TSS- 450 i have a Samsung 720P Plasma for a TV and a Sony BDP-S580 for Blu-Ray. i'm thinking really hard about upgrading my speaker setup, the specs on the Infinitys are as follows. Satellite Frequency Range 150Hz – 20,000Hz (+/–3db) Recommended Power Amplifier Range 10 – 100 watts Sensitivity 86dB Nominal Impedance 8 ohms Crossover Frequency 7000Hz, 24dB/octave Midrange Driver 2-1/2", magnetically shielded High-Frequency Driver 1/2", magnetically shielded Dimensions (H x W x D) 5" x 3-1/2" x 3-1/2" (127mm x 88mm x 88mm) Weight 1.2 lb (0.5kg) Center Channel Frequency Range 150Hz – 20,000Hz (+/–3dB) Recommended Power Amplifier Range 10 – 100 watts Sensitivity (2.83V @ 1m) 87dB Nominal Impedance 8 ohms Crossover Frequency 7000Hz, 24dB/octave Midrange Driver Dual 2-1/2", magnetically shielded High-Frequency Driver 1/2", magnetically shielded Dimensions (H x W x D) 4-1/8" x 9-1/4" x 4-3/8" (105mm x 235mm x 111mm) Weight 1.9 lb (2.0kg) Subwoofer Frequency Range 39Hz – 150Hz (+/–3dB) Amplifier Power Output 100 watts RMS Low-Frequency Driver 8" Crossover Frequency 50Hz - 150Hz, 24dB/octave continuously variable Dimensions (H x W x D) 16-1/4" x 10-1/4" x 15-1/2" (413mm x 262mm x 394mm) Weight 28.3 lb my budget is $350 max and my question is this... i've looked at ALL kinds of setups online as i live in an extremely rural with the closest audio shop being 70+ miles away from me. I have been leaning HARD towards the Fluance AVHTB and a pair of AV bi-pole surrounds to finish out the 7.1 setup. i like the 30 day guarantee and the lifetime warranty but, of course, have never seen a set in person and, the reviews are all glowing but i'm wondering if they will be a sgnificant upgrade over my current setup. i've also thought of going the Pioneer AJ route and replacing my LRC and utilizing my infinity satelites for surrounds, they are silver and would clash cosmetically. i've looked at buying a Dayton audio complete 7.1 setup with 4" drivers. i've also thought about buying 4 pairs of Dayton B652 bookshelf speakers and using them for everything, i would replace the tweeters of course. i've looked at Jamo, ML, Pure Acoustics... i'm so completely confused on which route to go and if i should really even bother in the first place... i should note that, for the time being, i will use my infinity sub with a new setup... thanks so much for your replies and patience...

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Posted January 19 2014 - 09:07 AM

Why replace all?

 

Granted the only "new" Infinity are the Primus...

 

I would start with 2 larger Infinity(especially the prior Beta) and change out the center when you find one.

 

Your 508 has 2EQ, so it has multiple crossovers.

 

Unless you just want different speakers???



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Posted January 19 2014 - 09:16 AM

that's what i was wondering... there won't be ay changing out for a long, LONG time... the Mrs. WILL NOT allow it, lol i've had these infinitys for a good 8 years and was thinking that moving to larger drivers and a 7.1 setup would improve my 90% movie/satelite, 10% music experience... am i just pissing in the wind here?

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Posted January 19 2014 - 09:20 AM

i just realized i posted another thread here about Pure Acoustics... sorry for the double post...

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Posted January 19 2014 - 09:29 AM

Moving to a pair of Infinity Beta or Primus...

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item5afa4062ba (these are a steal)

 

Would work wonders. Especially for music.

 

I'm lucky my GF plays the upright bass*(one sits in the house). She understands...big sound requires big speakers.

 

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Posted January 19 2014 - 09:41 AM

so a pair of these with a c25 center would be sufficient? are larger drivers in the surrounds not necessary?

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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:08 AM

Sorry Sam, but I have to disagree. While the Primus 150's would be a nice upgrade from the TS-450's $119 isn't a steal IMO. The much, much better Beta 20's can be found for about the same price (maybe a bit more). I paid much less for a pair of 160's a few months ago. With $350 to spend (and spend once) I'd look for Beta 20's and a C250. Both should cost about $225 (+/-)plus shipping. The Beta's, with their larger cabinet, provide much more low-end then the Primus 160's. The Primus series semms brighter to me with the Beta's offering a softer, warmer sound. 
 
I'll be selling the Beta 20's and C250 for $200 or the Primus 160's for $89 on CL. The OSW-1's will be $75/pr or two pair for $125. Both pairs are missing the "Infinity" logo's.
 
 

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I'll be selling the Beta 20's and C250 for $200 or the Primus 160's for $89 on CL.

"Everyday room": Panasonic 58" Plasma, Dish HD DVR, Pioneer Elite vsx-23, BDP-23 BR, dv58avi universal dvd player, Paradigm Studio 20 V1, CC-450, Dayton HSU-10 subwoofer.

"Movie/Music room": Toshiba 65" DLP, Dish HD receiver, Marantz 7005, CC-4003, BD-7006, Polk LSI25's-LSi7's-LSiC, 2 original Dayton 10" "Mighty-Mites" subwoofers. (subject to change without notice).
 
Also have  MB Quart Vera VS05 +.....too much to list. Help me.
 
 

 


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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:23 AM

i see you're in the Bay Area Gene, one of my best friends lives in Livermore. have you ever heard of Rose Pickups? the owner, Ken Currie is the friend i'm referring to... would you be willing to ship speakers to Kansas? and, will the Infinity Betas or Primus match my TSS-450 sats well

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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:25 AM

My $119 "steal" was based on...

 

Lowest price with no cosmetic issues. There are two pairs on Amazon(and didn't completely search Fleabay) for close to the same money(at least $100, including shipping cost) with issues.

 

Cosmetic perfection is worth a bit extra...no matter what speaker it is.

 

What you are selling(if you'd ship them...and he'd pay that much) are much better.



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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:28 AM

i see you're in the Bay Area Gene, one of my best friends lives in Livermore. have you ever heard of Rose Pickups? the owner, Ken Currie is the friend i'm referring to... would you be willing to ship speakers to Kansas? and, will the Infinity Betas or Primus match my TSS-450 sats well

 

Answered already(of sorts)...

 

But yes. You have multiple crossovers. You'd simply set the mains at 80hz(which you currently can't do) and leave the surrounds at 125(or is it 150???).

 

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Yes...150.



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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:34 AM

so a pair of these with a c25 center would be sufficient? are larger drivers in the surrounds not necessary?

 

Yes, large(er) drivers in the surrounds are necessary. But...

 

You have WAF considerations. Is it "cost" or "looks"?

 

If looks, you may have to integrate a bigger front stage...wait till the improved sound is noticed...then move on to surrounds.

 

These Primus or Beta are plentiful on the used market. So, whenever you get to it...you'll be able to move on up.

 

You could re-sell the TSS(I would sell in pairs) for others needing to replace/add(dropping them and breaking them...moving themselves to 7.1....).



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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:35 AM

well alriht then, guess i'll quit looking so hard at the Fluance, and the like, stuff... thanks guys...

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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:37 AM

By the way...not that I want to trumpet something that might be sold in a help forum...

 

I bought a DVD player from Gene(the Elite DV49)...and am pleased.



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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:39 AM

I'd ship them but they are big and heavy so it might be expensive. Let me work up an estimate.

 

My 160's are cosmetically challenged so that does make a difference but good ol' Frys was selling the 163's for $69 each so I wouldn't pay more than $100/pr for any used 160's/163's, but I'm cheap (sell cheap too).


"Everyday room": Panasonic 58" Plasma, Dish HD DVR, Pioneer Elite vsx-23, BDP-23 BR, dv58avi universal dvd player, Paradigm Studio 20 V1, CC-450, Dayton HSU-10 subwoofer.

"Movie/Music room": Toshiba 65" DLP, Dish HD receiver, Marantz 7005, CC-4003, BD-7006, Polk LSI25's-LSi7's-LSiC, 2 original Dayton 10" "Mighty-Mites" subwoofers. (subject to change without notice).
 
Also have  MB Quart Vera VS05 +.....too much to list. Help me.
 
 

 


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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:42 AM

Gene and I both live in Craigslist goldmines(my pet name).

 

What part of Kansas? If KC...it is probably kinda lively.



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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:49 AM

North Central, about 4 hrs. from KC...

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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:54 AM

So I probably zoom by you on my way to South Fork CO then(I go across 36 between where it joins 70 and Springfield).



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Posted January 19 2014 - 10:59 AM

the town i live in, Belleville, is called The Crossroads Of America because it sits directly on the US36/US81 juncion...

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Posted January 19 2014 - 11:00 AM

I did a quick estimate and fedex says $79 for the two boxes. I used 66901. I have the original box for the 250 but not the 20's.

https://www.fedex.co...sultSummaryPage
"Everyday room": Panasonic 58" Plasma, Dish HD DVR, Pioneer Elite vsx-23, BDP-23 BR, dv58avi universal dvd player, Paradigm Studio 20 V1, CC-450, Dayton HSU-10 subwoofer.

"Movie/Music room": Toshiba 65" DLP, Dish HD receiver, Marantz 7005, CC-4003, BD-7006, Polk LSI25's-LSi7's-LSiC, 2 original Dayton 10" "Mighty-Mites" subwoofers. (subject to change without notice).
 
Also have  MB Quart Vera VS05 +.....too much to list. Help me.
 
 

 


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Posted January 19 2014 - 11:03 AM

Last time I went through(and most times...it is about where "I get tired") I stayed at the motel in Washington that is less than a block from a Casey's.






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