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The autonomous (self driving) car buyers and owners thread


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#121 of 135 OFFLINE   Sam Posten

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Posted September 22 2014 - 12:39 PM

This is big:

http://www.theverge....i-mercedes-benz


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#122 of 135 OFFLINE   Sam Posten

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Posted September 23 2014 - 07:24 AM

Woah:

http://gizmodo.com/t...dium=socialflow


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#123 of 135 OFFLINE   Sam Posten

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Posted October 22 2014 - 08:01 AM

The bear case:

http://www.slate.com...lly_happen.html

 

I believe these are all solvable problems.  Obviously things are dramatically different between tech demos and worldwide scale.  The problems listed aren't anything new, what remains intriguingly out of grasp is the problems that will rise because of the implementation of this tech and how things adapt or die when it is fully functional.  Law of unintended consequences and all that.


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#124 of 135 OFFLINE   KevinGress

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Posted October 22 2014 - 09:39 AM

I agree; as long as they study it, eventually they'll come up with solutions.  But I'm glad they're finally realistically painting the challenges and acknowledging that computers really aren't faster than the human brain in regards to calculations.

 

That said, I find it interesting that mapping is such a big challenge.  I think they're spending way too much resources and computing power to have a super-accurate 3-D map.   They'll find that the solution is what people do all the time - take 'short cuts'.  During most of my driving I know the general route - what direction, what streets to take, etc.  But I don't memorize every feature about every inch out there - I generalize, or 'short cut' it.  Ex: I know the general wide of the roads, I know approximately where curves are, etc.  Basically like a GPS map.  That should be their starting point.  Then program common traffic knowledge - what an intersection 'looks' like, what a traffic light looks like and where 'red' 'should' be  (I assume there's state laws regarding this) - so the computer shouldn't have to recognize red, just where it's placement on a traffic light 'should' be.

 

I applause their determination, innovation, and drive (pun intended); but I think they should alter their goal to improve computer-aided driving first and through that process evolve it into more and more computer-led driving.

 

 

 

Oh, and back to the mapping issue - I'm betting that along the way they'll decide to let the individual vehicles do the scanning for them.  I mean, they're the ones on the road.  Attach additional sensors that would transmit that information back to Google to keep the maps up-to-date.  Plus, they'd sell it as - 'hey!  If an accident occurs on your route, cars would transmit that information to Google and Google could then send that information to vehicles in the vicinity so they could develop rerouting plans, etc.     ala the cellphone strategy Batman employed in The Dark Knight.

 

Which would (or rather, should) raise all sorts of privacy issues, but as the articles shows, they're still a ways off.



#125 of 135 OFFLINE   Chuck Anstey

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Posted October 23 2014 - 04:01 PM

As I said earlier in this thread, Google's solution is slot cars with collision avoidance, not actual driving.  And the engineering 'short cut' is the ultra detailed maps.  They can't make less accurate maps because their current solution depends upon them being hyper accurate.  However, it does give them time and experience to work on other challenges of driving while cheating at the road / navigation portion.  Eventually they may finally solve the big issue of driving without a map from all the experiences they have gained.



#126 of 135 OFFLINE   Adam_S

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Posted October 23 2014 - 04:34 PM

IMO Kevin is absolutely correct that nanny-staters will hop on the "ban human drivers" bandwagon without hesitation. Hopefully its wheels will come off as soon as possible. :)

What would you have said ten years ago if I told you that the government would ban incandescent light bulbs?

Noone will ever ban human drivers, that's politically untenable and counter productive to the sdc being successful.

What will happen in the long term is the free market will price most human drivers out. Insurance companies will increase premiums on human drivers or cars without sdc tech because those cars are a lot more expensive to insure. It's already happening, 2015 model year cars with driver assist tech get lower rates than models without it because the insurance companies have fewer claims against models that have the tech in the 2014 year.
 

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Posted October 25 2014 - 04:25 AM

Forgot about this thread. Surprised no one has mentioned this: great vid at link.

 

http://www.theverge....-in-the-tesla-d


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#128 of 135 OFFLINE   Sam Posten

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Posted November 04 2014 - 09:08 AM

Just saw that video via another discussion, here's a direct link:

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#129 of 135 OFFLINE   Sam Posten

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Posted November 11 2014 - 08:11 AM

No.

http://www.businessi...y-tesla-2014-11


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#130 of 135 OFFLINE   DaveF

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Posted November 11 2014 - 06:33 PM

I've thought for a while that Apple and Tesla are a good fit; Apple buying Tesla, on the surface, seems like a good idea. Tesla makes $100k gadgets, with an emphasis on design and user experience. They're bringing them down market, increasingly affordable. They engage in direct sales to the consumer. They have novel salesrooms, with a high touch experience. 

 

Apple is Apple, no longer Apple Computer. And they're interesting in creating a highly integrated computing ecosystem. They're no longer concerned just with your home office, but are now targeting the living room, credit cards, personal health, fitness, and whole-house integration. Adding the family car to the portfolio is not an unnatural step.

 

And both companies are targeting entrenched industries that believe upstarts can't just come in and do what they do.

 

The weakness I see is that Tesla is a very slow burn, US-only, struggling against legal restrictions in ways that Apple hasn't, and isn't on a clear path to high profits anytime soon. And they're a decade from mass market, at a guess. Apple is global mass marketing, selling $500 gadgets to everyone, everywhere.

 

Still, I think it's an interesting idea.



#131 of 135 OFFLINE   Sam Posten

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Posted November 17 2014 - 12:14 PM

fluff:

http://www.theverge....big-future-cars


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Posted November 21 2014 - 11:46 AM

DoT bullish on good progress:

http://www.transport...sponsive-travel


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Posted November 24 2014 - 06:14 AM

Concept art:

http://automobility.ideo.com/

http://gizmodo.com/a...ture-1662535503


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#134 of 135 OFFLINE   Sam Posten

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Posted December 22 2014 - 11:08 AM

This is a lot of polish since the first prototype.  They are moving faster than even I gave them credit for,

http://www.theverge....omous-car-photo


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Posted December 22 2014 - 11:34 AM

http://theoatmeal.co...elf_driving_car


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