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A Sneak Peek at Zulu and Khartoum

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#201 of 252 RolandL

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Posted January 30 2014 - 06:09 AM

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The Casino Cinerama screen

 

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Posted January 30 2014 - 06:43 AM

Thanks again Roland,

 

also if you go to the IN 70mm.Com site in the DP70 section they have some pics of Zulu laced up ready to go.



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Posted January 30 2014 - 06:52 AM

Hi Roland,

When Zulu was shown in 1972 the screen was smaller than the Original Cinerama screen shown in your picture.

But i bet it still looked really good.

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Posted January 30 2014 - 11:01 AM

Hi Roland,

When Zulu was shown in 1972 the screen was smaller than the Original Cinerama screen shown in your picture.

But i bet it still looked really good.

 

Yes, that screen in the picture was for 3-panel Cinerama. 

 

Floor plans for 3-panel and 70mm Cinerama below.

 

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Posted January 30 2014 - 11:21 AM

I saw The Towering Inferno at the Casino in 35mm Scope Mono when they put in the small screen just when it finished as a cinema, they put in a

FP20 with a platter and took them lovely DP70s out.



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Posted January 30 2014 - 11:34 AM

Hi Roland,

When Zulu was shown in 1972 the screen was smaller than the Original Cinerama screen shown in your picture.

But i bet it still looked really good.

It sure did as I saw it there!! As others have  mentioned, I also do not recall how it sounded which could mean  it wasn't a proper stereo track.

According to the book about the making of the film(and very good it is too), the 70 was originally only shown in South Africa at their Cinerama theatre there.



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Posted January 30 2014 - 11:41 AM

I think I posted the following link before and I don't know how accurate it is.

 

http://instereouk.com/Lost_Zulu.html


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Posted January 30 2014 - 02:20 PM

I think I posted the following link before and I don't know how accurate it is.

 

http://instereouk.com/Lost_Zulu.html

Interesting that the link makes no mention of any S.A showings!!!

Loved the floor plans, Roland, of the Casino which will be copied for my Cinerama archives. Thanks.



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Posted February 05 2014 - 09:16 AM

I got my copy of Zulu today, looking forward to having a brief look at it later and watching the whole film at a later date.

 

A negative and a positive coming up, the positive is that the Twilight Time jiffy bag packaging info meant the customs people didn't hit me with any charges, i'd like to say a big thank you to the staff for doing that.

 

The negative is that the casing is one of those eco packaging ones, very flimsy, my first and indeed only other Twilight Time release is Fright Night, it has nice packaging, a better case, this is just a minor negative, sure i can buy a new and better case, i just wish every release from every label would go back to the superior cases as these ones are in my opinion poor.


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Posted February 05 2014 - 10:00 AM

TT has acknowledged the Eco Case issue and they will not be using them again.
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Posted February 08 2014 - 12:18 AM

Finally I compared the two versions of Zulu yesterday and one thing that stood out from the beginning was that with all sharpening turned down and not knowing about the UK disc one would not have the impression that anything drastic was wrong with the TT disc except from the usual problems with a dated master. My significant other even commented on the great looking red uniforms that have been called not red enough by some.

Watched by themselves and not in comparison the following problems where quite apparent imo:

TT:
- oldish master that results in a less finely detailed image than I have come to expect from large format movies done properly, colors looking a bit drab from time to time
- EE that pops up here and there but not as bad as some screencaps indicate - turning every sharpening circuit down everywhere in the signal chain is a must for this one and then it will not be too bad

Other criticisms like it being too dirty or too dark for me did not appear as a problem when watching the disc on its own and it will no problem at all on a display that has more than enough brightness to start with or that can be increased in brightness (no problem with my projection setup and with most TV's these days).

UK:
- pastiness in fine structures is everywhere: Faces, wood, vegetation, you name it - it may be possible to miss it but if one is sitting that far from the screen what is the point of 1080p resolution?
- oversaturated and overblown colors: Yes there can be too much color, and this one is just more colorful than just about everything else out there - not very believable and even by itself too much over the top.

The issue with the contrast is that of course one cannot know how this was shot so I could not have noticed this on its own but seeing how much is changed both in dark scenes and in bright ones I would not want to go back to the UK version. The same goes for having more picture on all 4 sides - this usually is considered a good thing for a format that is not usually restricted in width and/or height which is the case for Zulu. I have say that the stretching issues of the UK version were not apparent to me upon first viewing and comparing both discs now I am surprised I missed it. Maybe the TT version is even a tiny bit too wide but looking at the actors in other movies it certainly looks like the TT version is closer to how the actors look in other movies.

In summary and for me the TT version can believably look like film, even though not the freshest elements one could want and certainly not treated in a state of the art fashion. The UK version is still something else that I could never bring myself to watch for more than a few comparisons or as a bad example of digital processing gone wrong.

And I also got Khartoum by the way - lots of grain in that one given its large format elements and somehow it also looks a bit too digital for me. As the grain was also present in the new 70mm print I saw it certainly is a presentation that is faithful to the elements it comes from but imo it should look smoother and more natural. Other than that a satisfying presentation that is not up to the level of the best large format releases but still good, for me a tad below the also smaller scale release of Circus World from France that I found surprisingly good. And it is nice to have Khartoum for the first time in the ultrawide 2.76:1 aspect ratio.
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Posted February 08 2014 - 05:25 AM

Oliver,

 

Have you compared the sound?


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Posted February 08 2014 - 05:56 AM

Seeing those plans for the Casino reminded me of the seats to each side of the circle.  They called them loge (as in French for snog box) and had a sort of sofa set-up.  I took a girl-friend to see The Greatest Story Ever Told (yes, I know - bad choice) and sat in one of these loge which gave a rather weird perspective on the curved screen. 



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Posted February 08 2014 - 01:51 PM

Seeing those plans for the Casino reminded me of the seats to each side of the circle.  They called them loge (as in French for snog box) and had a sort of sofa set-up.  I took a girl-friend to see The Greatest Story Ever Told (yes, I know - bad choice) and sat in one of these loge which gave a rather weird perspective on the curved screen. 

Ah, the loge. Sat there with parents for 2001 on opening weekend.



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Posted February 08 2014 - 03:48 PM

Ah, the loge. Sat there with parents for 2001 on opening weekend.

 

I went the day 2001 opened (a Thursday I think), & had booked the perfect seat, centre front row of the circle. And in one of the loge(s) was Mick Jagger, I think I had a better seat than him!



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Posted February 09 2014 - 04:09 AM

Oliver,
 
Have you compared the sound?


No, didn't get around to that. I was hoping for a version that is at least watchable for me and found it in the TT release so no need to compare sound.

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Posted February 09 2014 - 04:17 AM

No, didn't get around to that. I was hoping for a version that is at least watchable for me and found it in the TT release so no need to compare sound.

 

Knowing how good your system is i am pleased to hear this and look forward to watching Zulu.


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Posted February 10 2014 - 04:54 AM

Knowing how good your system is i am pleased to hear this and look forward to watching Zulu.


I think that going in with realistic expectations you will be pleased that it looks markedly different from the UK version.

Imo the key to a system that comes reasonably close to a theatrical viewing experience at home is a modern at least 1080p front projection system in a darkened room with a close (1.5 screen widths and less) seating distance and high enough fill rate. It does not have to be some 10000$+ projector.
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Posted February 27 2014 - 10:27 AM

Caps-a-holic now has a comparison of the two Zulu versions:

http://caps-a-holic....ID=1570#auswahl

People who are on the fence about which version to get might want to look at the caps. They give a very good idea how the two discs look projected when it comes to textures and general color balance. Both the distortion of the UK disc and the slightly below average brightness of the TT version do not register as much when watching the discs on their own but the different colors and contrast and most of all textures are very much in evidence and the reason why I never could bring myself to watch the UK version:

http://caps-a-holic....ess=1#vergleich

http://caps-a-holic....less=#vergleich

Not much evidence of "heavy pancake make-up" here, at least not in the cap of the TT disc:

http://caps-a-holic....less=#vergleich

The EE on the TT disc while unnecessary is not that bad by the way provided that all sharpening circuits are deactivated and all comparisons I linked to are not zoomed in.

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Posted February 27 2014 - 02:40 PM

Apart from the punchier colour, that U.K. edition is soooo messed up. It looks like a circa '95 CGI 'toon!


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