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Hi, all --

I just finished my basement with a family room, office, and game room, and decided to include wiring in the finish for home theater and for music in the game room, as follows:

In the family room:
- Above the fireplace (where the TV will be mounted), wire for LF, C, RF speakers + a tunnel for HDMI to/from the TV and IR kit,
- speaker wire for ceiling mounted LR and RR (surround) speakers over where the couch will go,
- wiring in the rear corner of the room for a subwoofer

In the game room:
- wiring for two speakers (for music when entertaining), plus volume control to control levels in the room (if necessary)

All wiring is routed to the utility room, where I will either put a cabinet and hide away all the gear, or route back into the family room to place the cabinet unobtrusively in the back.

As far as gear, I have a Wii and an old Bose Lifestyle 25 (not sure if I should just junk this or if I can use the Acoustimass speakers), but other than that, I'll be starting from scratch.

I got one recommendation to go Sonos for everything, but it seems a) expensive, b) overkill for my needs, given I have wiring, and c) not able to handle 5.1 correctly for true surround sound (this is from what I'm reading, although I may have this wrong).

I'm leaning more toward this:
- an AV receiver that can handle both HDMI and component in for the Wii (I'm hoping I can also send 'component in' to 'HDMI out' so I don't have to route component wire to the TV).
- In-ceiling speakers in the game room and in the family room for rear surround
- a wired subwoofer
- either a wired sound bar or three smaller speakers sitting on the mantel for up front L/C/R channels (I could also mount L/R on the wall to left and right of TV).

My questions are:
- Am I right about Sonos not handling true 5.1? About it being overkill (wifi functionality and cost) given my situation?
- What's the best way to handle the (separate) game room? 2nd zone on the receiver? 7.1? Separate receiver?
- AV Receiver recommendations for this set-up?
- Speaker recommendations for this set-up (in-ceiling speakers in back for surround, sound bar or small speakers up front)?

I want to keep my budget around $2500, if possible.

Any feedback/recommendations would be most appreciated!

Geoff
 

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thompsgr said:
Hi, all --

I just finished my basement with a family room, office, and game room, and decided to include wiring in the finish for home theater and for music in the game room, as follows:

In the family room:
- Above the fireplace (where the TV will be mounted), wire for LF, C, RF speakers + a tunnel for HDMI to/from the TV and IR kit,
- speaker wire for ceiling mounted LR and RR (surround) speakers over where the couch will go,
- wiring in the rear corner of the room for a subwoofer
Worst place to mount a TV. How high up is this?

In the game room:
- wiring for two speakers (for music when entertaining), plus volume control to control levels in the room (if necessary)

All wiring is routed to the utility room, where I will either put a cabinet and hide away all the gear, or route back into the family room to place the cabinet unobtrusively in the back.

As far as gear, I have a Wii and an old Bose Lifestyle 25 (not sure if I should just junk this or if I can use the Acoustimass speakers), but other than that, I'll be starting from scratch.

I got one recommendation to go Sonos for everything, but it seems a) expensive, b) overkill for my needs, given I have wiring, and c) not able to handle 5.1 correctly for true surround sound (this is from what I'm reading, although I may have this wrong).

I'm leaning more toward this:
- an AV receiver that can handle both HDMI and component in for the Wii (I'm hoping I can also send 'component in' to 'HDMI out' so I don't have to route component wire to the TV).
Every AVR over $500 does this
- In-ceiling speakers in the game room and in the family room for rear surround
- a wired subwoofer
- either a wired sound bar or three smaller speakers sitting on the mantel for up front L/C/R channels (I could also mount L/R on the wall to left and right of TV).
Pinnacle QP, Leon(Michigan), Def Tech Mythos, KEF T and several others make LCR bars/flat panel speakers

My questions are:
- Am I right about Sonos not handling true 5.1? About it being overkill (wifi functionality and cost) given my situation?
Technically yes Sonos is true 5.1. But it isn't DTS or DD. IF wiring there is no point to do wireless.
- What's the best way to handle the (separate) game room? 2nd zone on the receiver? 7.1? Separate receiver?
If you buy a 7 channel AVR that does digital zoning...all you need is wire.
- AV Receiver recommendations for this set-up?
Denon X4000(every other receiver either blows your budget away or is analog zoning)
- Speaker recommendations for this set-up (in-ceiling speakers in back for surround, sound bar or small speakers up front)?
Whatever you can find used.

I want to keep my budget around $2500, if possible.
Figure out what 7 channel AVR you can live with first. The X4000 is half your budget already. IF you can live with analog zoning that drops you down into $500 for an AVR.

Any feedback/recommendations would be most appreciated!

Geoff
 

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Thanks for the feedback. Yes, up high is bad for the TV, but the room is unfortunately long and narrow (24 x 12), and there is really only one focal point in the room where seating will work -- and that is the middle of the 24' wall...where the fireplace is. It will put the TV up at 50", so it will be high. Although not ideal, I'm hoping a tilt mount will help.

Thanks for the tip on the AV receiver. One thing that hasn't been on my radar is analog vs. digital zones. I was thinking the Sony STR-DN1040 might work @ ~ $600, but I see the second zone is analog, and requires powered speakers or a separate amp. I'll look at the Denon X4000.
 

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Good news -- got the Denon x4000 for $900 (after a $400 in-store credit) on Amazon for cyber monday. Thanks for the advice!
 

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Now you have to figure out what speakers to get for $1500...two ways to go about it...

Buy a 2.1 or 3.1 for the main theatre...and pick up the other two/three eventually...to maximize the quality...
Buy everything now...knowing you'll get upgrade-itis in 18-24 months...

Unless you can give yourself good reasons to spend more than $1500...

Speaker bars like Leon
http://www.leonspeakers.com/hz.html
Are always custom made to match the width of your TV. They start nicely and progress to "your wallet won't speak to you for months"...

Even Def Tech Mythos, your front three will kill of your budget by themselves.
http://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Technology-Mythos-Center-Channel-Speaker/dp/B006UH8L8K/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1386037668&sr=1-1&keywords=definitive+mythos (their bigger brothers are worth the expense)

KEF T gets rave reviews...
http://www.amazon.com/KEF-T305-Home-Theater-System/dp/B004CX9L4M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1386037723&sr=1-1&keywords=kef+t305 (top variation)
 

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Thanks for the recommendations on speakers.

I went with your latter approach (sort-of) of get something now knowing I'll get upgrade-itis soon enough, although I went low-budget, mainly because I want to 'try out' the current configuration to make sure I am happy with it before investing too much in hardware that fits the space constraints (in other words, in case I give up on the whole over-the-fireplace thing and move the TV somewhere else that is at a better height).

So, for the in-ceiling speakers for surround and the game room, I went on a friend's recommendation for Snap AV Series 300 6 1/2" speakers.

For the subwoofer and front speakers, I went with the Monoprice 10565 5.1 (I know, that leaves me with an extra pair for replacements when I blow the front ones out). I know this is ultra-low-budget (got the set for a steal on Cyber Monday), but they seem to get pretty high praise for the price, and they are small enough that my wife won't yell too much about the clutter on the mantel. My hope is they sound good enough to hook the family on true 5.1, and then I will get less resistance if the speakers start getting a little bigger or moving down to the floor around the fireplace.

Crazy, I know, but for the price, even if they don't cut it and I have to upgrade sooner rather than later, I won't be out that much (or I can move them to my bedroom). Unless of course the whole thing backfires, and they sound so bad that the family doesn't get hooked on 5.1 (unlikely).

Now to begin the search for the right blu-ray movies that will blow the family away!

Thanks again for the feedback -- very helpful, and much appreciated!
 

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