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#1 of 23 OFFLINE   erew99

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Posted November 06 2013 - 09:56 AM

Hi all,

I'm looking to upgrade my Sony STR-DH520.

 

I'm currently running 5.1 speakers. 

 

I want to upgrade the a better quality sound.  I've heard some Yamahas, and they sounded great, however I can't try them with my speakers.

 

My budget is around $400 USD.

 

The things I want to get out of the new receiver are:

1. Second Zone (Wireless speakers, if possible).

2. Bluetooth (Airplay?)

3. At least 4 HDMI inputs.

4. Headphone jack.

5. XM Radio tuner. (Although I can do this with my phone + blue tooth).

 

I'd like all the latest decoders as well.

 

I want to run a 2nd zone for blue tooth, so that if someone is watching TV, I can use the 2nd zone with my phone to stream music.  If I can do this via network- might be even better because the blue tooth range isn't so good.



#2 of 23 OFFLINE   schan1269

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Posted November 06 2013 - 12:30 PM

1. That simply requires a Zone 2 pre-out.

2. Everybody but Onkyo(on the Airplay). Bluetooth may not be on any $400 AVR.

3. You have to buy a <$250 AVR to not get 4.

4. Are those disappearing on entry-level AVR? (I've never seen a receiver without one)

5. Not at $400.

 

You do realize 2nd zone on a $400 AVR isn't going to be network/digital...



#3 of 23 OFFLINE   erew99

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Posted November 06 2013 - 12:45 PM

What should I be looking to spend?

 

I guess XM - I can do without, because I can stream it from my phone.  As long as I can stream stuff from my phone to zone 2, that should do it.

 

I'll be using wireless speakers at the 2nd zone.


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Posted November 06 2013 - 01:17 PM

Oh-  I also don't just want the new features.  I want to upgrade the unit to a better quality system. I got the receiver for really cheap - under $200, so I will be moving this to another area.

 

I don't want to just get an entry level system.  I'm willing to spend more on a good unit.  I'm running Polk Monitor series (Monitor 50/30/CS1/PSW505), nothing too powerful.

 

My room is 19x10. 

 

Based on my current receiver, is there another brand that would produce a better sound?  Something with room correction? 



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Posted November 06 2013 - 01:29 PM


Based on my current receiver, is there another brand that would produce a better sound?  Something with room correction? 

 

I'll defer to Sam on the specifics of networking and such...

 

However I will say that you should not expect a newer receiver to have much of an impact on how your system sounds. It's not like you're going from lossy to lossless (THAT would have an impact) but your speakers are really what dictate how your system sounds. Provided you've taken the time to properly set up and calibrate the current system you should temper your expectations a bit.

 

AVRs are chosen based on features and connectivity. You audition speakers and choose the ones that sound best to you in order to determine how the system sounds.


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#6 of 23 OFFLINE   schan1269

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Posted November 06 2013 - 02:39 PM

In my opinion. Entry-level AVR is simply any AVR with an MSRP <$600.

Entry level Onkyo is <727
Entry Level Denon are the E.
Yamaha entry-level is anything not RX-A.

Your 2nd zone streaming "want" only exists in a few AVR. All of them are $800+.

Yamaha doesn't even offer zone b(Not to be confused with zone 2) at $400.



#7 of 23 OFFLINE   schan1269

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Posted November 06 2013 - 02:44 PM

Here is "everything" you want...minus the Zone 2 streaming(and the Bluetooth. You can add a Bluetooth music receiver...which, incidentally, solves* your Zone 2 issue with streamed content)...

http://www.amazon.co...=denon avr 1713

 

Zone 2 streaming...here you go. (I'm not sure networked audio counts as "digital"...see "bullet feature three")

http://www.amazon.co...rds=denon x3000

 

But this one does give you networked zone 2 audio...

http://www.amazon.co...rds=denon x3000

 

*your bluetooth

http://www.amazon.co... music receiver



#8 of 23 OFFLINE   schan1269

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Posted November 06 2013 - 02:50 PM

Dumb question...

 

If streamed audio content is all you want in "zone 2"...wherever that is...

 

Why not just buy a bluetooth rechargeable speaker?



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Posted November 07 2013 - 05:53 AM

Dumb question...

 

If streamed audio content is all you want in "zone 2"...wherever that is...

 

Why not just buy a bluetooth rechargeable speaker?

 

Yeah, I could do that for streaming from my phone.  I guess I'm just not sure what I would like.  If the sound is going to be the same on my current receiver vs a non-entry level, then I guess there is no point in upgrading the receiver.



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Posted November 07 2013 - 06:10 AM

The only way, given the efficiency of your current speakers, your AVR is inadequate in power is if you are trying to fill a 20x20 room with 105db of sound for 15 people.

If just you and her in a room 12x15...power isn't the problem...if you aren't satisfied.

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Posted November 07 2013 - 06:21 AM

I see, so there is no need to upgrade based on sound quality.  Maybe just a bluetooth speaker is what I need.



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Posted November 07 2013 - 06:29 AM

If you find the sound lacking...

Move your speakers. Not feet...inches. in and out from the wall, side to side. Toe them in.

If you sub isn't providing the impact you expected, move it along the wall toward your couch.

Are the rear speakers where the should be?

#13 of 23 OFFLINE   erew99

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Posted November 07 2013 - 06:37 AM

Unfortunately my rear speakers cannot be where they should be.... 

 

Rear speakers are actually directly to each side.  Front left is about 2' from my center, same for the front right.  They can't go out more because of other furniture (tables).

 

The room is rectangular, and we have it situated the wide way...  There are windows on both 10' walls.  The 19' wall is solid, so that is where our TV is mounted.

 

My brother inlaw has almost the same setup, but his sounds so much deeper.  He has the Andrew Jones Pioneer speakers paired with a Yamaha (entry level).

 

For movies, my setup sounds OK, but music not so much. 



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Posted November 07 2013 - 06:43 AM

Would he let you borrow the Yamaha for a weekend...next time he's not going to be there?

Maybe his AVR has YPAO.

I've not played/listened to a Sony in 15 years. The only piece of Sony I even own is a TA N110.

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Posted November 07 2013 - 06:47 AM

I had a Sony BDP-S350. I binned it this morning. There are now 4 movies it wouldn't play dialog from. Soundtrack was there...no voices.

It was my first BD player. It was a gift from Sony to all the (salaried) employees of the wholesaler I worked for when BD won the war.?

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Posted November 07 2013 - 06:48 AM

His does.  It is a RX-V573

 

Mine doesn't have any room correction or anything like that.  Would that really affect the tone though? 



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Posted November 07 2013 - 06:51 AM

I have a BDP-590.  I haven't had any issues yet, but I rarely use it.  I usually play everything ripped to my HTPC.



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Posted November 07 2013 - 07:27 AM

Room correction can. That is why it is called room correction.

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Posted November 07 2013 - 07:35 AM

Oh- I see.  I thought it just set the speaker distance, levels, and that sort of thing. 



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Posted November 07 2013 - 07:49 AM

And...that is "room correction".

 

If that is wrong. You have bad sound. Have you done any manual tuning(and I don't mean by ear). Going here...

 

http://www.audiocheck.net/

 

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