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Criterion Press Release: It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World (Dual Format)

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#461 of 1824 OFFLINE   Mike Larsen

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Posted October 24 2013 - 10:58 AM

I've been a lurker for many years as I'm a bit of collector for a lot of the older 40's stuff and do a lot of audio restoration.  The great thing about IAMMMMW was I felt like Mr. Harris did such a great job explaining what was going on since the very beginning.  I remember when he was talking about the restoration but there seemed to be no interest from MGM or elsewhere (besides us fans), thus no funding.  I loved seeing the comparison shots of the new restored frames.  When I first saw the TCM restoration I was really hoping that we would see a proper release so continued to hold out hope.  Needless to say, I'm pretty excited for a proper release.  This won't be the first Criterion film I've purchased, but it's certainly the most important as far as I'm concerned.  It's also been very cool to be sort of involved in the process, kind of a watching over his shoulder as he worked.  It's an honor to have such a fine film be restored by someone who obviously did it out of love, not the love of money.  With all the uncut, unreleased, special, limited edition DVDs being released and re-released and re-released, this is honestly the first time I felt it was being done to make sure it was as pure and perfect as possible.  Being along for the ride with Mr. Harris has been quite rewarding.

 

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#462 of 1824 OFFLINE   Peter Neski

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Posted October 24 2013 - 11:24 AM

wasn't this film shot on 65MM how is 4k enough??



#463 of 1824 OFFLINE   Billy Batson

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Posted October 24 2013 - 12:12 PM

This will be my first Blu-Ray purchase (despite it coming with the DVD's) and will purchase a Blu-ray player for it.  And now that I know it's coming, I can purchase the previous Blu-ray release for the documentary.  I've literally been waiting for this moment for many, many years.

I bought a Blu-ray player to see a movie, it was the Smilebox version of How The West Was Won (Smilebox version only on the Blu-ray), well worth it. I've only bought Blu-rays for the past couple of years.

Edited by Billy Batson, October 24 2013 - 12:37 PM.


#464 of 1824 OFFLINE   Robert Harris

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Posted October 24 2013 - 12:19 PM

wasn't this film shot on 65MM how is 4k enough??

 

4k is not enough, since 4k in 65mm terms is 2k, and 2k is equivalent to HD.

 

HD is not high enough resolution for 65mm.

 

But then again, what might be the purpose?

 

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#465 of 1824 OFFLINE   Stephen_J_H

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Posted October 24 2013 - 12:19 PM

wasn't this film shot on 65MM how is 4k enough??

4K is enough for what is being done. While 8K scanning has been used on other 65mm productions, workflow at this point is typically limited to 4K, and 8K scanning is used because it is believed by some to achieve better results after being downrezzed to 4K. Also keep in mind that this reconstruction/restoration is staying strictly within the digital realm (there will be no preservation elements output to film). I defer to RAH above, but I suspect that 4K was chosen for economic reasons.


Edited by Stephen_J_H, October 24 2013 - 12:21 PM.

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#466 of 1824 OFFLINE   Michael Rogers

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Posted October 24 2013 - 12:24 PM

If MGM ever decides to do a full blown restoration, then 8K would be in order.

#467 of 1824 OFFLINE   Robert Harris

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Posted October 24 2013 - 01:28 PM

If MGM ever decides to do a full blown restoration, then 8K would be in order.

The base film needs no restoration beyond its dupes. The premiere roadshow cannot be restored in anything higher than HD quality. The elements are gone. There is really nothing futher to be done, beyond what Criterion has accomplished.RAH

"All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. This I did." T.E. Lawrence


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Posted October 24 2013 - 04:03 PM

I bought a Blu-ray player to see a movie, it was the Smilebox version of How The West Was Won (Smilebox version only on the Blu-ray), well worth it. I've only bought Blu-rays for the past couple of years.

HTWWW was the title that pushed me into Blu-ray also. Just as CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON pushed me into 3D
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Posted October 24 2013 - 04:21 PM

Welcome Mike!

 

I was so hyped about the upcoming release that I built a new 2.76x1 screen for it.

The pictures you posted of your screen reminded me of when Ben Hur first came out on DVD.  A guy on this forum built a "Constant Area" screen with masking he could control on all four sides that allowed him to have a 2.76:1 image that had the same area of illumination on the screen as a 1.33:1 image (and everything in between, different masking presets for all the ratios!).  So the screen was truly mammoth, the widest it got was for 2.76:1 and the tallest it got was for 1.33:1 but the square footage of image on the screen was pretty much the same for every ratio.


Edited by Adam_S, October 24 2013 - 04:21 PM.

 

#470 of 1824 OFFLINE   Michael Rogers

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Posted October 24 2013 - 06:50 PM

The base film needs no restoration beyond its dupes. The premiere roadshow cannot be restored in anything higher than HD quality. The elements are gone. There is really nothing futher to be done, beyond what Criterion has accomplished.RAH

Well, that's it then. Glad most of it could be salvaged in one form or another good enough for HD.

#471 of 1824 OFFLINE   Keith Frisby

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Posted October 25 2013 - 07:36 AM

Well, that's it then.Glad most of it could be salvaged in one form or another good enough for HD.

 

I am another long time lurker at the forum , and have finally decided to register mostly to thank Mr. Harris and Co. for their superb efforts on what is a beloved film for me..

 

One question I have for Mr. Harris , what are the chances that one day a dupe of the Roadshow version will turn up in a "forgotten archive"  , as recently happen with the BBC finding some 1960's era DR WHO Episodes in a Nigerian transfer hub?

 

I know you and others have done much searching over the years , but do you think you are at the stage where you can say that any dupes of The Roadshow version have been accouted for or could something still show up one day?

 

Thanks again for all your efforts and the pleasure you have brought to us all on this and your other projects.



#472 of 1824 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted October 25 2013 - 08:15 AM

Keith,

 

Welcome aboard.  Appreciate you registering and

hope you stay here with us for awhile.


 

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#473 of 1824 OFFLINE   Robert Harris

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Posted October 25 2013 - 08:46 AM

I am another long time lurker at the forum , and have finally decided to register mostly to thank Mr. Harris and Co. for their superb efforts on what is a beloved film for me..

 

One question I have for Mr. Harris , what are the chances that one day a dupe of the Roadshow version will turn up in a "forgotten archive"  , as recently happen with the BBC finding some 1960's era DR WHO Episodes in a Nigerian transfer hub?

 

I know you and others have done much searching over the years , but do you think you are at the stage where you can say that any dupes of The Roadshow version have been accouted for or could something still show up one day?

 

Thanks again for all your efforts and the pleasure you have brought to us all on this and your other projects.

 

Keith,

 

Welcome to HTF.

 

To answer your question, in a word, doubtful.

 

Extremely doubtful.

 

There were never any 35mm prints struck.

 

The only large format elements were the original negative, the separation masters and 70mm print trims.

 

As far as we can tell, there were 39 70mm prints struck for world-wide openings in 1963.  Our records show, via identification of trims with specific prints, that 16 out of the 39 prints are unaccounted for.

 

That does not mean that they weren't re-cut, it simply means that we have no record of them.  Prints numbered 19 and 20, were Japanese sub-titled, and cut.  Print number 26 was German dubbed.  It was cut on 11/26/63 for a German opening on 12/19.

 

Print number 33 was a replacement print, which became print 40.  It was cut and re-recorded to Italian on 2/11/64, along with print 39.

 

As there were more trims, other prints would have been accounted for, but incomplete records disallow it.

 

Is it possible that a print might have slipped through the cracks?  Doubtful.  But never say never.

 

RAH


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#474 of 1824 OFFLINE   Keith Frisby

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Posted October 25 2013 - 09:28 AM

@ Ronald - Thanks for the welcome and all the hard work you do also..

 

@RAH , I pretty much thought this would be the case , thanks for the details , always a great interesting read..

 

If you ever did consider writing a book (Even a Ebook) on all the ins and outs of sourcing and restoring this movie , please add me to the list of buyers.

 

I was a young kid Living in Leicester in the UK when I first saw it in the early 1970's on TV (in those days the BBC had their famous 10 year rule ie it had to be 10 years from being released until a movie appeared on TV) , and have been a great follower of it ever since. I missed out on the laser , as I could never afford a player at the time , so have only ever seen the deleted scenes from the DVD  and BR , but as you know these made no sense when out of context..

 

Now just waiting for the Amazon Pre order to show up..

 

My movie life will be almost totally Complete once "The Fourth Protocol" and "Robbery" with Stanley Baker finally make their way to the BR World :-)

 

Thanks again..


Edited by Keith Frisby, October 25 2013 - 09:31 AM.


#475 of 1824 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted October 25 2013 - 09:33 AM

Now just waiting for the Amazon Pre order to show up.

 

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', sans-serif;background-color:rgb(242,242,242);]Yeah, tell me about it, Keith.  I am checking several times a day.[/color]

 

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', sans-serif;background-color:rgb(242,242,242);]The preorders usually show up in less than a week post announcement.[/color]

 

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', sans-serif;background-color:rgb(242,242,242);]Just want to get it posted here ASAP as we really would appreciate all of[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', sans-serif;background-color:rgb(242,242,242);]you ordering through our link.[/color]


 

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Posted October 25 2013 - 10:11 AM

My movie life will be almost totally Complete once "The Fourth Protocol" and "Robbery" with Stanley Baker finally make their way to the BR World :-)

 

Wow! I'm in complete agreement about THE FOURTH PROTOCOL. One of the greatest (and most underrated) British thrillers of the last 3 decades. Really encapsulates that Cold War nuclear paranoia so rife in the 80s.

 

Anyway - back on topic! Yes, I'm waiting for the Amazon preorder to show up. Will definitely be ordering through the HTF link (and THIEF too).


 

 


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Posted October 25 2013 - 01:51 PM

If the BFI is monitoring this thread in search of American films to reinstate the reputations of, watch out, "Vertigo"!



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Posted October 25 2013 - 03:04 PM

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', sans-serif;background-color:rgb(242,242,242);]Yeah, tell me about it, Keith.  I am checking several times a day.[/color]

 

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', sans-serif;background-color:rgb(242,242,242);]The preorders usually show up in less than a week post announcement.[/color]

 

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', sans-serif;background-color:rgb(242,242,242);]Just want to get it posted here ASAP as we really would appreciate all of[/color]

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:'Merriweather Sans', sans-serif;background-color:rgb(242,242,242);]you ordering through our link.[/color]

 

There are rumors that Criterion is changing distributors, which may be the reason pre-orders for Criterion's January titles are not yet up at amazon (or any other web store.)



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Posted October 26 2013 - 01:15 PM

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 HAHA, this had to be bumped.



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Posted October 26 2013 - 01:25 PM

Sad part, I'm still not sold on the Blu for this.

 

I have a really good R2 already. Haven't really checked to see if there is extended running time or if the extras are different. But based on the Panny WT60 review, maybe LCD owners have to have Blu for everything.







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