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#21 of 45 OFFLINE   westham

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Posted October 21 2013 - 04:56 AM

Yes I will be looking at the TT release but don't want the cost of a 3rd version unless there are transfer improvements. Also be nice to see some decent chapter marks too so you can jump to the key scenes.



#22 of 45 OFFLINE   Ethan Riley

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Posted October 21 2013 - 09:20 AM

Waiting for specs, so I can see if it's a different transfer or something.
 

 


#23 of 45 OFFLINE   Doug Bull

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Posted October 21 2013 - 02:53 PM

I'm guessing that the recent Australian release is probably the same as the UK and other European releases.

The Aussie Blu-ray looks very good.

 

It's hard to imagine that Sony would spend a lot of money creating a new HD master for International release and then do it all over again just for TT.

The isolated score might be the only difference, still I hope I'm wrong and that an even better transfer has been prepared for TT.

 

We will soon find out.

 

As a side note, though "Oliver" was advertised and presented as a Roadshow presentation at the time (late 60s), Australians were hoodwinked and actually only got to see a standard 35mm print.

I was somewhat shocked to discover this recently.

For all these years I truly believed we saw the 70mm version.

 

The first 70mm showing in Sydney was in April 1981.

 

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Edited by Doug Bull, October 21 2013 - 03:22 PM.


#24 of 45 OFFLINE   bob kaplan

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Posted October 22 2013 - 10:14 AM

Does anyone know when we might place and order with SCREEN ARCHIVES ENTERTAINMENT?



#25 of 45 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted October 22 2013 - 10:20 AM

Does anyone know when we might place and order with SCREEN ARCHIVES ENTERTAINMENT?

Here you go as preorders won't start until tomorrow,the 23rd at 4:00 p.m. ET.

 

http://www.screenarc...s.com/index.cfm


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#26 of 45 OFFLINE   bob kaplan

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Posted October 22 2013 - 06:07 PM

thank ya!!



#27 of 45 OFFLINE   Kenneth_C

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Posted October 22 2013 - 06:47 PM

From a discussion on TT's Facebook page:

 

 

 

The transfer will be the same [as the UK/German release] (however the authoring will be different) -- we have chapter stops with images on the pop-up menu... and a few extras unique to our release...

 

Also:

 

 

SAE will be adding this info to the Oliver! pre-order page - "PLEASE NOTE: As the separate music stems have not survived, the isolated score track from Oliver! has been prepared from the restored 4.0 MAG M&E -- which means that while the music sounds wonderful, there are sound effects present throughout."

 


Edited by Kenneth_C, October 22 2013 - 06:49 PM.


#28 of 45 OFFLINE   Doug Bull

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Posted October 22 2013 - 07:14 PM

So the TT transfer is the same as used for the currently available International Blu-rays after all.

 

I'll now stick with the cheaper Aussie release and forgo the different Menu, chapter stops and the separated Music/Effects track.

 

Those that go with the TT disc should be happy with the Picture and Sound quality.

 

 

Thanks for that info Ken. You saved me doubling up.



#29 of 45 OFFLINE   Ray H

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Posted October 23 2013 - 08:30 AM

The international release doesn't have chapter stops at all? Or it just doesn't have a scene selection menu?


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#30 of 45 OFFLINE   westham

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Posted October 23 2013 - 08:31 AM

The international release doesn't have chapter stops at all? Or it just doesn't have a scene selection menu?

 

It does have chapter stops but no scene selection menu at all - all very basic. The TT release looks like it will be addressing this point very nicely with a re-authored release.



#31 of 45 OFFLINE   DP 70

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Posted October 23 2013 - 08:40 AM

Thanks for the info Ken.

#32 of 45 OFFLINE   Robert Harris

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Posted October 23 2013 - 09:08 AM

For those interested in such things, the number of prints struck for the original release, beginning in the fall of 1968, was as follows:

 

18 70mm prints struck via optical blow-up from the original camera negatives.  

     All 70mm prints were struck at Tech London.

 

11 35mm dye transfer Fox perf prints struck in 4-track magnetic, beginning in

     March of 1969

 

10 35mm dye transfer optical prints struck by Technicolor UK for the original    

     release from October of 1968 through May of 1969, with another 93 for later

     dates, beginning in June of 1970.

 

US domestic prints were struck via dye transfer at Tech Hollywood.

 

What these numbers, in their most basic sense, tell us, is that the original camera negative was run at least 30 times, plus any re-prints for complete reels, as well as heads and tails of 70mm damaged in projection.

 

 

 

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#33 of 45 OFFLINE   Ethan Riley

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Posted October 23 2013 - 11:58 AM

Now available for pre-order.
 

 


#34 of 45 OFFLINE   MatthewA

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Posted October 23 2013 - 12:05 PM

Pre-ordered!


Enough is enough, Disney. No more evasions or excuses. We DEMAND the release Song of the South on Blu-ray along with the uncut version of Bedknobs and Broomsticks on Blu-ray. I will not support anything your company produces until then.


#35 of 45 OFFLINE   ahollis

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Posted October 23 2013 - 12:17 PM

Pre-ordered!


Same here. Now I can sleep. 😴
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Posted October 23 2013 - 12:19 PM

Pre-Ordered


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#37 of 45 OFFLINE   Matthew Belson_295371

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Posted October 23 2013 - 01:54 PM

If you will be in the Pocono (Pennsylvania) area on Sunday, November 17 you can see Oliver! on the "big" screen.

 

http://poconocommuni...revival-series/

 

Note: I do not work for this theater, I am only a fan and member. (they're a non-profit)

 

Although some revivals are shown from Blu-Ray, this is more likely a beautiful DCP.



#38 of 45 OFFLINE   JoHud

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Posted October 23 2013 - 02:19 PM

My bank account is now $100 lighter.


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#39 of 45 OFFLINE   Rob_Ray

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Posted October 23 2013 - 02:22 PM

My bank account is now $100 lighter.

Same here!


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#40 of 45 OFFLINE   JohnMor

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Posted October 23 2013 - 04:04 PM

Moi trois.


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